CPU Based Rendering

AliEM

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Hi, i am using with 3d studio max v-ray engine for architecture modeling and rendering based on CPU - CPU BASED RENDERING ARE ALL !!! so please do not reply on the basis of GPU.
Currently I use HP Z840 with single Intel Xeon E5-2620 V3 2.4 and 64 Gb of RAM, but according to Functional the performance of the camputer it is totally a disaster. In few days I am going to have a new project Which is terribly heavier than this and even now I run all at 100 percent.
considering a really good budjet, what you are your proposal for CPU and RAM, plus a good motherboard.
Anyone can compare Intel and AMD???
 
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AliEM,

So far, I think the problem may be solved by changing the CPU's in the z840 to a pair with a higher compute level (perhaps E5-2640 v4 10 -core @ 2,4 / 3,2GHz ( €930) and possibly adding an M.2 SSD if there is not one used currently. If the system is used for the 3D modeling also, a faster 8-core will be preferable. That would the fastest and least expensive solution. The Passmark results should tell the story.

What GPU are you using? If fact, can you list the complete specification of the z840?

However, if you are convinced that a different system is necessary, here is a slightly revised version of an eariler system idea, which is...


AliEM,

I also strongly prefer CPU rendering.

In my view, the z840 has very good performance potential. The problem is in the specification of the E5-2620 v3 which is 6-core @ 2.4 /3.2Ghz. The Passmark CPU rating for a single E5-2620 v3 is 9965 with a Single Thread Mark of 1672 and for a pair the CPU score is 15415. These scores are not fantastic for a 6-core and an E5-1620 v3 4-core does almost as well: 9862 with a 2143 single thread rating. The system I use for 3D modeling has a single E5-1660 V2 6-core and it's CPU rating is 14046 and single threaded is 2049.

In CPU rendering, the more cores the better and the problem with z840 may well be that the computational density is low- it's not getting through calculation cycles quickly enough.

Given the time problem before having to start the new project, as the fastest, lowest cost solution, consider adding a second E5-2620 v3 to have 12 cores / 24.threads.

Or, to ensure timely progress and much better pefrormance, consider:

1. Change the single E5-2620 v3 to a pair of Xeon E5-2640 v3 8-core @ 2.6 /3.4GHz - About $950 each US

Dual E5-2640 v3:: 20824

2. Change the single E5-2620 v3 to a single E5-2640 v4 !0-core @ 2,4 / 3.4GHz- about $950 each US

Single E5-2640 v4: 15244

Otherwise, if a replacment system project is inevitable, to make it quickly and cost effectively:

1. Purchase a used HP z820 with low specification > about $800 US

2. Add:

_ 2X Xeon E5-2690 8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz > about $200 each US
_ 128GB DDR3-1600 ECC registered (PC3-12800R)
_ HP Z Turbo Drive 256GB AHCI or Samsung SM 951 256GB (M.2 /AHCI) on Lycom DT-120 M.2 to PCIe adapter
_ Samsung 850 Evo 1TB
_ Borrow the GPU from the z840 or otherwise Quadro M2000 4GB > about $450 US. that GPU has about the same 3D capability as the Quadro K4200 .

I did a similar project recently for my analysis /simulation /rendering system.

Purchased for $270:

HP z620 (Original) Xeon E5-1620 4-core @ 3.6 /3.8GHz) / 8GB (1X 8GB DDR3-1333) / AMD Firepro V5900 (2GB) / Seagate Barracuda 750GB + Samsung 500GB + WD 500GB
[ Passmark System Rating= 2408 / CPU= 8361 / 2D= 846 / 3D = 1613 / Mem =1584 / Disk = 574 ] 7.13.16

And after about $1,100 in upgrades:

HP z620 (2012) (Rev 3) 2X Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz) / 64GB DDR3-1600 ECC reg) / Quadro K2200 (4GB) / HP Z Turbo Drive (256GB) + Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB / 800W > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > HP 2711x (27" 1980 X 1080)
[ Passmark System Rating= 5675 / CPU= 22625 / 2D= 815 / 3D = 3580 / Mem = 2522 / Disk = 12640 ] 9.25.16
[Cinebench R15: OpenGL= 115.78 fps / CPU = 2199 cb / Single core 131 cb / MP Ratio 16.84x


Notice the CPU score from the two E5-2690's that cost $320 together is better than 2X E5-2640 v3 for nearly $2,000. The disk score changed from 574 to 12640 for $150 and the HP Z Turbo drive is based on the SM951, but with a n optimized adapter and better cooling.

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I think building from parts that have to be researched, ordered, assembled, wired, configured, and tested will be too time-consuming, can have problems setting up and cost more for fewer cores. With the HP, you might be able to simply clone the HD to the z820 - update the BIOS.

You might consider installing the free trial of Passmark Performance Test and reporting the scores here. That could show weak or problem areas in the system that point to a problem other than the CPU.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

CAD / 3D Modeling / Graphic Design:

HP z420 (2015) (Rev 3) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) / 32GB DDR3 -1866 ECC RAM / Quadro K4200 (4GB) / Samsung SM951 M.2 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) + Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 5581 > CPU= 14046 / 2D= 838 / 3D= 4694 / Mem= 2777 / Disk= 11559] [6.12.16]









 
Thanks bombiboom, I took the photo from the all parts of the test to make it easier to read maybe.
can you mention your email to send them to you or I can make a note here.
 
Here is the build that will satisfy the needs to some extent.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2690 V4 2.6GHz 14-Core Processor (€2137.84 @ Mindfactory)
CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2690 V4 2.6GHz 14-Core Processor (€2137.84 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€84.84 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€84.84 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: Asus Z10PE-D16 WS SSI EEB Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard (€496.12 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston 32GB (1 x 32GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory (€189.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€300.91 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Western Digital Gold 6TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€362.08 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Turbo Video Card (€285.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Series Primo Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case (€247.40 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair AX1500i 1500W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€402.93 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €8052.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-19 11:47 CEST+0200

Here is what you get when your budget used to its limit. The GPU which I included is to give smooth running of applications which use bit of graphical interphase for visuals and layout.

Why that big PSU. It is to add more RAM and multiple HDDs to increase memory and storage(it will consume lot of power) and even with all this system will still remain stress free and will not cause lot of noise.
 


AliEM,

So far, I think the problem may be solved by changing the CPU's in the z840 to a pair with a higher compute level (perhaps E5-2640 v4 10 -core @ 2,4 / 3,2GHz ( €930) and possibly adding an M.2 SSD if there is not one used currently. If the system is used for the 3D modeling also, a faster 8-core will be preferable. That would the fastest and least expensive solution. The Passmark results should tell the story.

What GPU are you using? If fact, can you list the complete specification of the z840?

However, if you are convinced that a different system is necessary, here is a slightly revised version of an eariler system idea, which is based on using a pair of Xeon E5-2600 v2 series CPU's. These CPU's have a MTBF - Mean Time Before Failure rating of 170,000 hours which is continuous running for 19.4 years. The particular one chosen is the Xeon E5-2680 v2 which is 10-core @ 2.8 /3.6GHz. The original cost in the US was $1,725, now on ebay.de averaging about €400 each.

The Passmark CPU results for two E5-2680 v2 on an ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS motherboard is up to 26121. the top rating for a pair of the 14-core E5-2690 v4's as suggested by King Dranzer's very good proposed system is 31112 on Supermicro X10DRG-HT. The E5-2680 v2 system therefore has 20-cores /40 threads and the E5-2690 v4 system puts 28-cores / 56 Threads to work- that's 40% more threads and a CPU rating that is 19% higher. However, the E5-2690 v4 system at €8052 costs 228% more than the E5-2680 v2 idea, so the cost /performance of the E5-2680 v2 is substantially better. That is the benefit of used CPU's. So, for the €8000 it's possible to have two systems with a combined 40-cores / 80 threads (+42%) and total calculation density of 65400 to the 31100 (210%) plus about €940 left over.

Also, Autodesk may not support software problems with 3ds using a non-certified GPU, so this proposal includes a Quadro M4000 (8GB) which is supported.

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1. CPU: 2X E5-2680 v2 10-core @ 2.8 /3.6Ghz > used €800 (about €400 each)

http://ark.intel.com/products/75277/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2680-v2-25M-Cache-2_80-GHz

2. CPU Coolers: 2X Corsair Hydro Series H80i v2 (CW-9060024-WW) €190 (ab € 94,89)

https://geizhals.de/corsair-hydro-series-h80i-v2-cw-9060024-ww-a1427588.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

3. Motherboard: ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS (90-MSVDY0-G0EAY00T) ab € 437,06

https://geizhals.de/asus-z9pe-d8-ws-90-msvdy0-g0eay00t-a747046.html

4. RAM: 128GB 8X Kingston ValueRAM DIMM 16GB, DDR3-1866, CL13-13-13, reg ECC (KVR18R13D4/16) € 859 (ab € 107,53)

https://geizhals.de/kingston-valueram-dimm-16gb-kvr18r13d4-16-a1028619.html

5. GPU: PNY Quadro M4000, 8GB GDDR5, 4x DisplayPort (VCQM4000-PB) ab € 742,90

https://geizhals.de/pny-quadro-m4000-vcqm4000-pb-a1309549.html

6. Drive 1: Samsung SSD SM951 512GB, M.2 (MZHPV512HDGL-00000) > € 255.24

https://geizhals.de/?fs=samsung+ssd+sm951+512gb

7. M.2 to PCIe Adapter: Lycom DT-120, M.2 on PCIe 3.0 x4 adapters (B00MYCQP38) from € 19.13

https://geizhals.eu/lycom-dt-120-b00mycqp38-a1253336.html

8. Drive 2,3: 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 3TB, SATA 6Gb/s (ST3000NM0033) € 313(ab € 156,09)

https://geizhals.de/seagate-constellation-es-3-3tb-st3000nm0033-a860313.html

9. Optical Drive: HP B4F70AA Blu-ray Writer schwarz, SATA, retail ab € 162,94

https://geizhals.de/hp-b4f70aa-blu-ray-writer-schwarz-a967150.html

10. Case: Lian Li PC-A76X ab €219,90

https://geizhals.de/lian-li-pc-a76x-a837902.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

11. Power Supply: Corsair RMx Series RM1000x 1000W ATX 2.4 (CP-9020094-EU) ab € 148,49
https://geizhals.de/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-1000w-atx-2-4-cp-9020094-eu-a1331032.html

12. OS: Windows 7 Professional 64Bit inkl. Service Pack 1, DSP/SB, 1er-Pack (deutsch) (PC) (FQC-04653) ab € 125,90

https://geizhals.de/microsoft-windows-7-professional-64bit-inkl-service-pack-1-deutsch-pc-fqc-04653-a625799.html

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TOTAL: € 3529

But, as I say, for a faster, less expensive solution, consider changing CPU's - and possibly the GPU- in the z840 first. That could be done in an hour and back to work and for perhaps € 2000. It's possible that selling the z840 as used could be a loss of as much as € 1000+, so the CPU idea is really costing € 1000 net.

Very interesting problem!

Cheers,

BambiBoom


 
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