[SOLVED] Cpu Cooler for current build

[-AdrianE]

Hi. am planning to change the CPU cooler, its a AMD Wraith Prism, want to know your thoughts about this ones, since there is no reviews about them with ryzen, and/or they are only tested on AMD threadripper or Intel i7 9900k:

• Master Air MA620M
• Deepcool Fryzen

Are they any good and worth it?
Will they really improve the temps?.

Into considerations.-

• Master Air MA620M

1. 1.6kg weight (really heavy and will be in vertical, that's scary)
2. able to change the stock fan for another one
3. 5 years warranty

• Deepcool Fryzen

1. 1.18kg weight
2. not able to change fan, once its dead, going to need a new cooler, or place one with tape
3. 1 year warranty

The CPU temps with the prism are (gaming) 71-85°C, (surfing) 41-53°C, precision boost and xfr ON, speed up to 4.1 with ryzen energy plan, 4.3 with windows balance plan (and that's weird).

I know AIO are way better, but am not comfortable with water inside the case xD, Noctua (cost 500-600) is better too, even the Dark Rock 4 (cost 400) but they cost a lot more compared to MA620M (cost 100 ) or Fryzen (cost 106).

Tank you for your time.

Build:
*Motherboard: asus crosshair vii hero x470
*CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x
*Ram: Geil Super Luce RGB 16gb 3000mhz (x2)
*Graphics: Sapphire RX 580 SE+ (going for sapphire 5700xt SE+)
*Sound: Sound Blaster Z
*PSU: Cooler Master MasterWatt 750W 80 PLUS Bronze (going for CORSAIR 1000W RM1000 80 Plus Gold)
*Case: XPG Invader-- using 6 fans in the case, 2 front (thermaltake riing 14) intake, 2 rigth side (jetflo 120) intake, 1 top (jetflo 120) exhaust, 1 back (jetflo 120) exhaust, going to change the riing 14 for Corsair ML140).

 

[tennis2]

A TR4 cooler may not be any more efficient than a typical AM4 cooler since they're designed for the [much] larger threadripper IHS. Therefore, they'll have heatpipes hanging off not touching an AM4 IHS.

What country are you shopping in?

 

[-AdrianE]

Thx for your answer, didn't think about that, so the only way is the ma620m, how safe would it be that weight? maybe that cooler will be any good with a ml120 fan. Am from México, and here there are 5-7 stores for PC hardware, and most of them only have cheap components or the good ones at very high price. In amazon.mx that Fryzen cost 300, plus 80 for shipping. Thet sapphire 5700xt se cost 500, plus 10 for shipping, the corsair psu 180, plus 8 shipping, the only cheap thing are those ml120 or ml140 fans, each at 34 (dual pack).

 

[tennis2]

Do you NEED a sound card?

1000W PSU isn't necessary even for a 5700XT

 

[-AdrianE]

Do you NEED a sound card?

1000W PSU isn't necessary even for a 5700XT

Already have a sound card, but some day i will go for the asus xonar maybe, creative drivers make a popping sound when windows is loading, and the sound form the motherboard is good but still i can hear a difference from both sound cards, blaster is more clear, pcpartpicker says am on the 600w side, psu calculators recomend 850 psu, i know 1000w is too much but the 850w is only 20 bucks cheaper.

 

[Karadjgne]

Both coolers will mount to Ryzen cpus, many universal coolers have bases larger than the IHS they sit on, just for that reason. The MA620 is same design as the monster TR version, just smaller. The Fryzen is a 250w TDP cooler that will fit any cpu basically. It's fan can be changed out, but will only change the looks, not function.

So fitment isn't an issue. Do read the review though. The MA620 was stuck on a 9900k. That cpu in stock boosts a few cores to 4.9/5.0GHz with a 4.7GHz base. They oc'd it by making a full core, not partial core OC of 4.7GHz, and then bumped that up to 5.0GHz. Where it failed, as do almost every single aircooler on the market. A Ryzen by comparison is chump change.

The MA620 is built for more modern looks and lower TDP silent performance. The Fryzen is built for more gamer style looks and higher TDP performance.

The 2700x is a 95w cpu that when pushed to the limits, gets around 95w, so either cooler will work just fine, the cpu won't come close to the capacity of either.

So it boils down to which you prefer the looks of, because performance at your TDP level will be pretty similar.

Don't bother with the Masterwatts, they aren't that good. Would be far better off with a Corsair RMx or Riotoro Enigma at 650w/750w.

Don't go by calculators as they tend to use maximum wattage, as in every single component running at its extreme wattage use. Which never happens as you'll never max out all fans, hdds, pcie, motherboard, cpu, gpu, ram wattage. At best you might see a 70% load usage of that total. And guaranteed, your pc doesn't use 600w+ at any time, closer to 500w at best.

I'd also not use the jetflo fans, they are extremely loud, and pull very high wattage per fan, basically you get 1 fan per header, I'd not use 2 per header at all. To make matters worse, all you are doing with that configuration is creating havoc inside. You aren't making airflow. Forget about side fans, they not only interfere with the cpu cooler, but blow intake air back on itself. Cutting airflow in half. Just rely on the front in, rear/top rear for exhaust. You'll not want a top intake, blow all the fresh air from the front intakes back down, creating a cyclic pattern.

 

[-AdrianE]

Both coolers will mount to Ryzen cpus, many universal coolers have bases larger than the IHS they sit on, just for that reason. The MA620 is same design as the monster TR version, just smaller. The Fryzen is a 250w TDP cooler that will fit any cpu basically. It's fan can be changed out, but will only change the looks, not function.

So fitment isn't an issue. Do read the review though. The MA620 was stuck on a 9900k. That cpu in stock boosts a few cores to 4.9/5.0GHz with a 4.7GHz base. They oc'd it by making a full core, not partial core OC of 4.7GHz, and then bumped that up to 5.0GHz. Where it failed, as do almost every single aircooler on the market. A Ryzen by comparison is chump change.

The MA620 is built for more modern looks and lower TDP silent performance. The Fryzen is built for more gamer style looks and higher TDP performance.

The 2700x is a 95w cpu that when pushed to the limits, gets around 95w, so either cooler will work just fine, the cpu won't come close to the capacity of either.

So it boils down to which you prefer the looks of, because performance at your TDP level will be pretty similar.

Tanks for that info, then am going for the cheapest.

Don't bother with the Masterwatts, they aren't that good. Would be far better off with a Corsair RMx or Riotoro Enigma at 650w/750w.

Don't go by calculators as they tend to use maximum wattage, as in every single component running at its extreme wattage use. Which never happens as you'll never max out all fans, hdds, pcie, motherboard, cpu, gpu, ram wattage. At best you might see a 70% load usage of that total. And guaranteed, your pc doesn't use 600w+ at any time, closer to 500w at best.

Good to know what those calculators do, am going to see corsair.

I'd also not use the jetflo fans, they are extremely loud, and pull very high wattage per fan, basically you get 1 fan per header, I'd not use 2 per header at all. To make matters worse, all you are doing with that configuration is creating havoc inside. You aren't making airflow. Forget about side fans, they not only interfere with the CPU cooler, but blow intake air back on itself. Cutting airflow in half. Just rely on the front in, rear/top rear for exhaust. You'll not want a top intake, blow all the fresh air from the front intakes back down, creating a cyclic pattern.

Jetflo was a clearance pick up, 9 dollars for 3, indeed are very loud at 1500rpm.

Changed the fans position, 3 front (jetflo) intake and 1 exhaust, sadly the temps are worst by 12°C, for a total 97°C max on the CPU, vrm goes up to 49°C, before that never go up to 40°C, and this is weird because what you said makes a lot of sense. Going to pick those ml120 or the ml140 and see if get better temps.

Tanks both of you, for your time.

 

[Karadjgne]

Leave the bottom/middle intakes, but move the top one to the top/rear as exhaust. You've got a ton of air coming in and most is just venting out the top with no help as the rear exhaust is swamped. That'll give better suction at exhaust with a more balanced intake. When you get the tower cooler, this'll be more important as the tower itself will swamp most of that rear exhaust.

 

[-AdrianE]

Update 1.-

Temps*HWiNFO64:

Deepcool Fryzen:

• CPU (gaming) 58-62°C, (surfing) 37°C.
• VRM (gaming) 49°C, (surfing) 37°C.
• Noise.- compared to my jetflo (5) and graphics card at full (4)
  • 5 (jetflo at 2000rpm)
  • 4 (vga at 2952rpm)
  • 3 at 2205rpm; (jetflo at 1531rpm)
  • 2 at 1163rpm
  • 1

Wraith Prism:

• CPU (gaming) 71-85°C, (surfing) 41-53°C with high performance switch
• VRM (gaming) 40°C, (surfing) 35°C with high performance switch
• Noise.- compared to my jetflo at full (5) and graphics card at full (4)
  • 5 at 3982rpm (high performance switch) (turn the music ON please)
  • 4 at 3000rpm (low performance switch)
  • 3 at 2589rpm (high performance switch)
  • 2 at 1059rpm (low performance switch)
  • 1

Update 2.-

Deepcool Fryzen + 3 jetflo (120) + 2 ml140 (140) :

• CPU (gaming) 51-58°C, (surfing) 37°C.
• VRM (gaming) 46°C, (surfing) 37°C.
• Noise.- compared to my jetflo (5) and graphics card at full (4)
  • 5 (jetflo at 2000rpm)
  • 4 (vga at 2952rpm)
  • 3 at 2205rpm; (jetflo at 1531rpm)
  • 2 at 1163rpm (fryzen); 2015rpm (ml140)
  • 1 at 1203rpm (ml140)