CPU+Cooler/Mobo/Ram Upgrade. Flexible-ish budget.

Melanosol

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Approximate Purchase Date: Next few weeks ideally, and to be done before the W10 free upgrade expires.

Budget Range: I don't have a specific budget, I just don't want to spend "too much". It's more of an "I'll know it when I see it" kinda thing.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Primarily used for gaming, quite a bit of Netflix too.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: CPU + fan, Mobo, Ram.

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No particular loyalties/experiences.

Location: Bristol, England.

Parts Preferences: Intel Skylake.

Overclocking: Nothing excessive.

SLI or Crossfire: Not planning to.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080.

Additional Comments: Nothing too major currently - LoL, TESO, D3, Stellaris. Planning to play Star Citizen and Chronicles of Elyria when they launch.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I'm feelin' the bug, and my hardware is a fair few years old now, and I'd like to have it done whilst I can still get the W10 upgrade.

My goal is to do the CPU/fan, Mobo, and Ram now, and then once the new graphics cards are out and the prices settle, do a graphics card upgrade.


What I'm carrying over:

Case: Carbide Series® 400R Mid-Tower
Happy with it, don't see any reason to need to change it. I can fit the size of it just fine currently, and have ample space to add fans as necessary.
PSU: OCZ ZS Series 550W 80 Plus Bronze
I know this thing isn't as great as they come these days, but it's honestly done me well. If I upgrade it now, it'll need to be for a well priced and reasoned upgrade, otherwise I'll re-evaluate it when I upgrade my graphics. As best as I can tell, it SHOULD be powerful enough to handle what I'm doing, based on the new CPU being of similar power consumption to my current 2500k, and the 1070 apparently only requiring a 500W system, but I guess this is a discussion we can have if need be?
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
HDD: Miscellaneous Seagate 2TB


What I'm looking for:

I'm feeling pretty good about an i5-6600K, will likely look into overclocking it to around the 4.4-4.5GHz mark, and would like a cooler that works with that. I'm eyeing up a Noctua, but not sure on which model to go with for that level of Overclocking. I feel like my case is pretty spacious, and should thus be able to fit in one of the larger models, but not really sure on what considerations need to go into that. I tend to err on the side of being overly cautious however, and so would rather go up a model and be extra cool than skate by on the bare minimum to achieve it.

Motherboards are what are really messing with me. So many models, and I just don't really see what to pick between them on. So obviously it needs to handle my overclocking of the processor. I don't plan on SLIing, with my plans being to eventually upgrade to a 970 or 1070 graphics card, which seem like 1 will be enough for me.

RAM wise, I was looking for 16GB DDR4 as I tend to have a lot of windows open at once, given I'm running dual monitors with one as my gaming display and the other as my "101 other windows" screen. Current system is 8GB and I have to at times close things down in task manager, so I'd like to go a step above to avoid this. I don't really know the brands currently, and I don't want to go overboard on the greatest of the great, but the prices look potentially decent. I guess I consider this the lowest priority of the new parts though, since I (perhaps incorrectly) view the other bits as having the greater impact. DDR4-3000 look like a nice mid-point of price and value, given the tests I looked at showed them as sometimes winning out over the 3200s?


Any recommendations you guys have on this will be greatly appreciated, thank you!
 
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This would be a nice upgrade. Nice MB with upgraded sound, USB 3.1, M.2 etc. The Ranger or Hero would be the next steps up in the Asus line. Gigabyte makes nice boards too, like the Gaming 3,5,6,7. RAM is only 1.2V and formulated specifically for Skylake.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£194.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£110.57 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£95.60 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £451.15
Prices include...
This would be a nice upgrade. Nice MB with upgraded sound, USB 3.1, M.2 etc. The Ranger or Hero would be the next steps up in the Asus line. Gigabyte makes nice boards too, like the Gaming 3,5,6,7. RAM is only 1.2V and formulated specifically for Skylake.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£194.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£110.57 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£95.60 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £451.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-25 01:15 BST+0100
 
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Melanosol

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Thanks for the response. Been researching each of these bits since to enhance my understanding of each of these components.

Looking further into the RAM side of things, since I hadn't read too much in it, I'm seeing that with a graphics card there reportedly isn't much of a difference between the various speeds of RAM? With that in mind, I'm thinking of saving some money on RAM to put it towards something else. The two I'm currently looking at, though still scouring for other deals, are:

£54.99: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666Mhz - 16-18-18-35
or
£59.00: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series F4-2400C15D-16GVR 16 GB (8 GBx2) DDR4 2400 MHz - 15-15-15-35

I feel like the Corsair is maybe the marginally better deal there, though I don't know enough about G.Skill as a brand to know if they're typically worth taking over Corsair. When working out (CL/Frequency)*1000, I'm not sure if I should only be using the first provided number (in which case the Corsair wins out) or the more frequent number (IE Corsair's 18, and thus the Ripjaw wins out), but I'm guessing the difference is marginal enough not to be worth the price difference, regardless of how small it is? Either way, saving around £40 is helping to convince me to just get a new PSU now, so that I don't have to remove a whole bunch of components later when I get my graphics card and find I need/want a stronger one anyway.

I keep seeing the Asus ROG Z170 Maximus VIII Ranger mentioned in reviews as a comparison to the Pro Gaming, but I can't find information that really paints the picture for me as to whether it would serve any use to me over the Pro Gaming. The Pro Gaming looks to cover everything that I know I need, but I'm wondering if there's any major reason that I might want to consider the Ranger before buying the Pro Gaming?

Looking into PSUs as well now, I'm eyeing up the EVGA 750W GQ 80+ Gold. As far as I can tell it's a tier 1 in the list on here, though the tier list says Supernova whereas I can't find that mentioned anywhere that I look at this one. Not sure if it's being discontinued or something, but the price looks an absolute steal compared to other options, at just £77.99!

Edit to add: Looking at the 750W due to a mix of it being about the same cost as a low/mid 650W, and because I'd rather not have to upgrade it again too soon if I find myself OCing/SLIing. I appreciate it's overkill for the components as currently listed, just seems a great combination of things.

Really appreciate the help, analysis paralysis is definitely a problem over here for this guy!
 


Don't worry about the RAM CL. It doesn't appear to make any difference in the real world. I think anything at 2400 or above would be OK as faster RAM may benefit some games. Higher voltage RAM can limit your CPU overclocks.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1478-page1.html

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/492721-skylake-gaming-performance-scaling-with-ddr4-ram-frequency/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESeoexGLVFU

The Ranger is the entrance board in to the ROG line. The Voltage Regulation Module (for overclocking) is a bit more robust so it's possible, but not guaranteed, that you could get a minimally better overclock with it.

http://www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Z170/compare/

The GQ is very good. If you are thinking of SLI down the road, get 850W. Generally it's better to go with one better GPU rather than two lesser ones in SLI when possible. 650W is plenty even if you upgrade to the GTX 1080.
 

Melanosol

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Any downsides to getting an 850W if I end up not SLIing? I don't -plan- to, but I'd like to know I had the option should I wish it. I'm seeing a tier 2 EVGA SuperNova B2 850W for only £6 more. Gold rating to bronze, both semi-modular, gain 100W.
 
These would be good too:

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/compare/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2a2666c16r,corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2a2800c16,crucial-memory-ble2k8g4d26afea/

The B2 is good. The only disadvantage of getting a higher wattage PSU is when you are at idle, e.g. surfing the net, you may only be using say 120 watts, or 15% of load. Efficiency ratings are measured from 20% to 100% of stated capacity, so at 15% load the PSU will not be operating as efficiently. You may be at 70% efficiency rather than the bronze, gold, or platinum rated efficiency. Generally a platinum rated unit would be more efficient at 15% load than a bronze rated unit, for example. Then again, if your PSU is outputting 120 watts, it's consuming 150W at 80% efficiency and 171W at 70% efficiency, so 21 watts difference. If your electric costs are high, it may pay off in the long run to get a Gold rated supply, especially when choosing a higher wattage unit.