kol12 :
@ingtar33 Thanks for your reply.
How future proof do you think the i7 7700k is? Would the 6800 and 5820 last longer from a future proofing point of view? Do those chips not overclock as well as the 7700k? I'm fine with overclocking.
Well, games are using more and more cores. Understand it's the game consoles which set the "core" standard for games. Back with the xb360 (which was a 3 core) all the games were 1-3 threaded affairs (btw: dx11 is hard coded to work for just 3 cores, remember, the xbox was always microsoft's platform for dx). Now with the xb1 and ps4 and dx12, you're seeing 6-8 threaded titles, because those two systems have 6-8 cores. So in theory going forward the i5 and all other "quad" core cpus will become at a greater and greater disadvantage as games get more and more threaded to squeeze performance out of the console market.
How future proof is the i7-7700k? i'd say it's pretty safe considering an i5-2500k is still a viable gaming chip.
kol12 :
Does the 1151 socket chipsets offer more advancements over the x99 chipset? The whole x99 platform is quite on the high price side and getting older now...
well the x99 chipset is... different. Advantages? the biggest is more pci lanes, which would give you a bit of an advantage in multi-gpu SLi. They're also build to support high temp/overclocks, which does pump the cost up a bit. Its also by far the buggiest platform in intel's lineup. Not sure how the "enthusiasts" justify the prices when you consider the bugs in the lineup.
kol12 :
So Intel still excels in single threaded IPC compared to AMD's Ryzen? Do you have any links to those benchmarks?
AMD's new Ryzen cpu comes in about 4.5% lower IPC clock for clock, core for core then Kaby/Skylake. It's basically identical core for core, clock for clock with Intel's Broadwell-E, and a little bit faster then Haswell. And yes there are some core for core clock for clock comparisons. Here is one found after a quick google search
http://www.zolkorn.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-mhz-by-mhz-core-by-core-en/
that article comes in pretty much in line with a few of the youtubers who've tried comparing core for core/clock for clock.
Now even though AMD succeeded in wiping out what was a 10 year advantage in IPC with Ryzen, Ryzen just doesn't clock as highly as intel chips. But its so bloody close in performance it does come down to what your "needs" are. Furthermore Ryzen flipped the table on the performance/watt equation, and far more efficient both in temp and power draw then intel's current core i lineup, indicating (at least per the Stilt) that Ryzen's MOBILE version will likely slaughter Intel in the 15-45W range for performance and battery life.
It's a great chip, but it's also generation 1 of their new chip design. Intel has had 8 years to perfect the core i lineup. Right now I can't see any reason to purchase an EXTREME edition intel chip, as Ryzen has matched those chips in performance (or beat them) while doing it at a far lower cost. But then you could have said that same sentence about intel's own i7-7700k, as it will beat their whole extreme edition lineup for cheaper.
kol12 :
I'm probably more concerned about future proofing as opposed to what I can do right now with the CPU. For example I probably wouldn't be happy if I had to upgrade from the 7700k again in three years time because 6c12t or 8c16t CPU's had become the norm and were actually necessary. As it is I'm somewhat annoyed that I'm having to look at upgrading the 4690k so soon, I've only had it 1.8 years! The games coming out right now are so demanding that even at 60 fps the 4690k is struggling.
Well, I've hated my i5-4960k since the day I purchased it. Regreted it deeply, as I used to have a fx8320, and I could tell I downgraded from a 8 core to a 4 the moment I booted the pc. The way I use a pc, a quad core just doesn't make sense. So I am in the process of building an r7-1700 based pc. Got all the parts except the ram, gpu and motherboard. Waiting for ITX boards to finish the build. Spending my time working on a case mod right now while I wait for itx boards to hit the market.
If you're concerned a 4c8t won't be enough in a couple of years you can always wait till summer and see what the 6c12t r5-1600x look like. probably will be a good compromise. I don't think you have much to worry about though, as I said earlier, the number of cores a game can use is determined by the consoles. And right now those consoles are 6-8 core beasties. Which means a 4c8t cpu should be ok till they up the core count on the consoles.
kol12 :
Are you suggesting I need a stronger GPU than the GTX 1070? I'd love to get an IPS gsync monitor one day, I don't do competitive gaming but I do enjoy FPS. Having gsync without input delay could be nice...
no, the 1070 is pretty bad ass. I was just saying I will always prioritize the monitor and gpu over the cpu.
kol12 :
If the 7700k could provide 3-4 years of use with the possibility of being able to handle above 60 fps gaming I'd be happy, I wouldn't be doing much streaming. I have to say AMD is looking hard to beat as you can get those 6/8 core CPU's right now for a fraction of the cost of an x99 platform. This is a bit of tough one as the future is quite unpredictable right now.
I'm not sure you can go wrong either way.