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Hi all,

I don't know how interested anybody might be in this - at lunchtime
today I played the 64 bit version of Crafty, running on a 3Ghz AMD64
linux box (running Mandrake X86-64) against Fritz running on my desktop
workstation - an AMD Sempron 2600 with XP.

Both machines had 384Mb swap files, and were allowed to ponder. The
game was played at 15/10 time controls.

I was half expecting the 64bit version of Crafty to stomp on Fritz, but
that's not what happened - Fritz appeared to wallop Crafty in a very
bizarre game.

[Event "Blitz:15'+10"]
[Site "Marlow, Bucks"]
[Date "2005.03.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fritz 8"]
[Black "Crafty 19.16 AMD64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C42"]

1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:45]} 1... e5 {[%emt 0:00:37]} 2. Nf3 { [%emt
0:00:44]} 2...
Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 3. Nxe5 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 3... Be7 { [%emt
0:00:38]} 4. Nc3
{[%emt 0:00:46]} 4... O-O {[%emt 0:00:34]} 5. d4 { [%emt 0:00:00]} 5...
Bb4
{[%emt 0:00:37]} 6. Bg5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 6... d6 {[%emt 0:00:32] } 7.
Nd3
{[%emt 0:00:05]} 7... Bxc3+ {[%emt 0:00:19]} 8. bxc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
8... Re8
{ [%emt 0:00:51]} 9. f3 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 9... Nxe4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 10.
Bxd8 {
[%emt 0:00:14]} 10... Nxc3+ {[%emt 0:00:21]} 11. Kd2 {[%emt 0:00:06]}
11...
Nxd1 { [%emt 0:00:13]} 12. Bg5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 12... h6 {[%emt
0:00:13]} 13.
Bf4 { [%emt 0:00:36]} 13... g5 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 14. Rxd1 {[%emt
0:00:16]} 14...
gxf4 { [%emt 0:00:19]} 15. Nxf4 {[%emt 0:00:15]} 15... Be6 {[%emt
0:00:22]} 16.
Bd3 { [%emt 0:01:03]} 16... Bxa2 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 17. c4 {[%emt
0:00:28]} 17...
Nc6 { [%emt 0:00:10]} 18. Nd5 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 18... Nxd4 {[%emt
0:00:12]} 19.
Nxc7 { [%emt 0:00:00]} 19... d5 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 20. cxd5 {[%emt
0:00:00]}
20... Nb3+ { [%emt 0:00:31]} 21. Kc3 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 21... Rac8 {[%emt
0:00:26]} 22. d6 { [%emt 0:00:05]} 22... Re3 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 23. Rhe1
{[%emt
0:00:16]} 23... Rxe1 { [%emt 0:00:15]} 24. Rxe1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 24...
Rd8
{[%emt 0:00:16]} 25. Bb1 { [%emt 0:00:37]} 25... Bxb1 {[%emt 0:00:27]}
26. Kxb3
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 26... Bd3 { [%emt 0:00:36]} 27. Re8+ {[%emt 0:00:00]}
27...
Rxe8 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 28. Nxe8 { [%emt 0:00:00]} 28... Kf8 {[%emt
0:00:11]} 29.
Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 29... b6 { [%emt 0:00:20]} 30. g4 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
30...
Bb5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 31. f4 { [%emt 0:00:17]} 31... Be2 {[%emt
0:00:14]} 32. h4
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 32... Bf1 { [%emt 0:00:32]} 33. g5 {[%emt 0:00:11]}
33... hxg5
{[%emt 0:00:09]} 34. fxg5 { [%emt 0:00:07]} 34... Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:11]}
35. h5
{[%emt 0:00:06]} 35... Bf5 { [%emt 0:00:27]} 36. Kb4 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
36... Bd3
{[%emt 0:00:25]} 37. h6 { [%emt 0:00:08]} 37... Bf5 {[%emt 0:00:59]}
38. Kb5
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 38... a5 { [%emt 0:00:25]} 39. d7 {[%emt 0:00:06]}
39... Bxd7+
{[%emt 0:00:15]} 40. Nxd7+ { [%emt 0:00:00]} 40... Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:28]}
41.
Nxb6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 41... a4 { [%emt 0:00:23]} 42. Kxa4 {[%emt
0:00:08]} 1-0
 
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I'd be interested to know your opinion of the AMD Sempron and AMD64 in
comparison to AMD XP processor. I'm seeing them offered in computers but
have no idea how they compare with my 2.0GHz AMD XP 2400+ when running
Shredder 8/9. I get about 300 kn/s with Shredder 8/9 using the starting
chessboard position. If I could get twice the speed of my current computer
with chess software, I would consider upgrading.
--
.... ;o)


"jonathan.beckett" <jonathan.beckett@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112185165.379684.294850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I don't know how interested anybody might be in this - at lunchtime
> today I played the 64 bit version of Crafty, running on a 3Ghz AMD64
> linux box (running Mandrake X86-64) against Fritz running on my desktop
> workstation - an AMD Sempron 2600 with XP.
>
> Both machines had 384Mb swap files, and were allowed to ponder. The
> game was played at 15/10 time controls.
>
> I was half expecting the 64bit version of Crafty to stomp on Fritz, but
> that's not what happened - Fritz appeared to wallop Crafty in a very
> bizarre game.
>
> [Event "Blitz:15'+10"]
> [Site "Marlow, Bucks"]
> [Date "2005.03.30"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "Fritz 8"]
> [Black "Crafty 19.16 AMD64"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C42"]
>
> 1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:45]} 1... e5 {[%emt 0:00:37]} 2. Nf3 { [%emt
> 0:00:44]} 2...
> Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 3. Nxe5 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 3... Be7 { [%emt
> 0:00:38]} 4. Nc3
> {[%emt 0:00:46]} 4... O-O {[%emt 0:00:34]} 5. d4 { [%emt 0:00:00]} 5...
> Bb4
> {[%emt 0:00:37]} 6. Bg5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 6... d6 {[%emt 0:00:32] } 7.
> Nd3
> {[%emt 0:00:05]} 7... Bxc3+ {[%emt 0:00:19]} 8. bxc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
> 8... Re8
> { [%emt 0:00:51]} 9. f3 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 9... Nxe4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 10.
> Bxd8 {
> [%emt 0:00:14]} 10... Nxc3+ {[%emt 0:00:21]} 11. Kd2 {[%emt 0:00:06]}
> 11...
> Nxd1 { [%emt 0:00:13]} 12. Bg5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 12... h6 {[%emt
> 0:00:13]} 13.
> Bf4 { [%emt 0:00:36]} 13... g5 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 14. Rxd1 {[%emt
> 0:00:16]} 14...
> gxf4 { [%emt 0:00:19]} 15. Nxf4 {[%emt 0:00:15]} 15... Be6 {[%emt
> 0:00:22]} 16.
> Bd3 { [%emt 0:01:03]} 16... Bxa2 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 17. c4 {[%emt
> 0:00:28]} 17...
> Nc6 { [%emt 0:00:10]} 18. Nd5 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 18... Nxd4 {[%emt
> 0:00:12]} 19.
> Nxc7 { [%emt 0:00:00]} 19... d5 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 20. cxd5 {[%emt
> 0:00:00]}
> 20... Nb3+ { [%emt 0:00:31]} 21. Kc3 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 21... Rac8 {[%emt
> 0:00:26]} 22. d6 { [%emt 0:00:05]} 22... Re3 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 23. Rhe1
> {[%emt
> 0:00:16]} 23... Rxe1 { [%emt 0:00:15]} 24. Rxe1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 24...
> Rd8
> {[%emt 0:00:16]} 25. Bb1 { [%emt 0:00:37]} 25... Bxb1 {[%emt 0:00:27]}
> 26. Kxb3
> {[%emt 0:00:00]} 26... Bd3 { [%emt 0:00:36]} 27. Re8+ {[%emt 0:00:00]}
> 27...
> Rxe8 {[%emt 0:00:31]} 28. Nxe8 { [%emt 0:00:00]} 28... Kf8 {[%emt
> 0:00:11]} 29.
> Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 29... b6 { [%emt 0:00:20]} 30. g4 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
> 30...
> Bb5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 31. f4 { [%emt 0:00:17]} 31... Be2 {[%emt
> 0:00:14]} 32. h4
> {[%emt 0:00:00]} 32... Bf1 { [%emt 0:00:32]} 33. g5 {[%emt 0:00:11]}
> 33... hxg5
> {[%emt 0:00:09]} 34. fxg5 { [%emt 0:00:07]} 34... Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:11]}
> 35. h5
> {[%emt 0:00:06]} 35... Bf5 { [%emt 0:00:27]} 36. Kb4 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
> 36... Bd3
> {[%emt 0:00:25]} 37. h6 { [%emt 0:00:08]} 37... Bf5 {[%emt 0:00:59]}
> 38. Kb5
> {[%emt 0:00:00]} 38... a5 { [%emt 0:00:25]} 39. d7 {[%emt 0:00:06]}
> 39... Bxd7+
> {[%emt 0:00:15]} 40. Nxd7+ { [%emt 0:00:00]} 40... Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:28]}
> 41.
> Nxb6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 41... a4 { [%emt 0:00:23]} 42. Kxa4 {[%emt
> 0:00:08]} 1-0
>
 
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"skydiver" <abso@lut.ely> writes:

> I'd be interested to know your opinion of the AMD Sempron and AMD64 in
> comparison to AMD XP processor. I'm seeing them offered in computers but
> have no idea how they compare with my 2.0GHz AMD XP 2400+ when running
> Shredder 8/9.

As far as I know,

* AMD Athlon 64 uses sockets 754 or 939 (Athlon 64/FX)
* AMD Sempron uses sockets 462 (up to 2800+) or 754 (3000+ and above?)
* AMD Opteron uses socket 940

Your current system is socket 462 (socket A), which means apart from
replacing motherboard and maybe operating system, your only upgrade
option would be Sempron.

Indeed it may be interesting to compare "chess capacity" of e.g. the
poster's Sempron 2600+ with your AthlonXP 2400+, but a non-educated
guess is that you by most could boost your computer by 20-30%, not
double the speed. Good luck.

--
Anders Carlsson
 
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"Anders Carlsson" <anders.carlsson@mds.mdh.se> wrote in message
news:k2gwtrp5kqk.fsf@legolas.mdh.se...
> "skydiver" <abso@lut.ely> writes:
>
>> I'd be interested to know your opinion of the AMD Sempron and AMD64 in
>> comparison to AMD XP processor. I'm seeing them offered in computers but
>> have no idea how they compare with my 2.0GHz AMD XP 2400+ when running
>> Shredder 8/9.
>
> As far as I know,
>
> * AMD Athlon 64 uses sockets 754 or 939 (Athlon 64/FX)
> * AMD Sempron uses sockets 462 (up to 2800+) or 754 (3000+ and above?)
> * AMD Opteron uses socket 940
>
> Your current system is socket 462 (socket A), which means apart from
> replacing motherboard and maybe operating system, your only upgrade
> option would be Sempron.
>
> Indeed it may be interesting to compare "chess capacity" of e.g. the
> poster's Sempron 2600+ with your AthlonXP 2400+, but a non-educated
> guess is that you by most could boost your computer by 20-30%, not
> double the speed. Good luck

I wasn't talking about upgrading my current computer. I was talking about
buying a new computer with a different processor. How does the speed of the
other processors compare to mine? I gave a simple, easy to determine
benchmark - the kn/s of the starting chessboard position. That is a good
fast way to compare them. I used it when I bought my current computer,
compared it with a different computer which had a different processor (a
2.4GHz Celeron), and it was about twice as fast - so I bought it. Now I'd
like to know about those 2 other processors without having to buy such a
computer myself just to test it!
--
.... ;o)
 
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"jonathan.beckett" <jonathan.beckett@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112185165.379684.294850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I was half expecting the 64bit version of Crafty to stomp on Fritz, but
> that's not what happened - Fritz appeared to wallop Crafty in a very
> bizarre game.
No wonder... First mistake was in very opening, even me as average player
can see this. 3... Be7? instead of 3... Qe7 or 3... d6.
In short, Fritz characterized this game as blunder. Not as miracle at all...
 
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"skydiver" <abso@lut.ely> writes:

> I wasn't talking about upgrading my current computer. I was talking
> about buying a new computer with a different processor.

Ah, that was my second thought after posting. It was something with
"current computer" that triggered my "get maximum upgrade" mode. :)

While I can not answer your question, in the mean time you could have
a look at recent computer tests in e.g. Tom's Hardware. In particular
the application and synthetic CPU benchmarks should be a good start,
if recent chess engines mostly are about number crunching rather than
rendering nice graphics. Right now it seems tough to double your
current computer's specs though.

--
Anders Carlsson
 
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