[crawl] beginners guide

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I've just started playing this game after a couple of years of nethack
and so far it's great fun, although I'm not completly sure of what I'm
doing yet. So I was wondering if there's anything like "the complete
beginners guide to crawl" (like the one for nethack) to help me get
started?

Thomas
 
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Thomas Wallander wrote:
> ...
> So I was wondering if there's anything like "the complete beginners
> guide to crawl" (like the one for nethack) to help me get started?

Not quite what you are looking for, but a decent spoiler collection
you can find here:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/lava/crawl/
 
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Rubinstein <picommander@t-online.de> buzzed:
> Thomas Wallander wrote:

>> ...
>> So I was wondering if there's anything like "the complete
>> beginners guide to crawl" (like the one for nethack) to help me
>> get started?

> Not quite what you are looking for, but a decent spoiler
> collection you can find here:
> http://koti.mbnet.fi/lava/crawl/

How about we try to formulate a Beginner's Guide?

I'll see whether I find the Nethack one somewhere on my machine to
take it as a guideline on what points to mention, and will then
probably be back with survey-like questions on them.

--
Tina the Architect - an Initiate of the Reflective Nibbling Gearbox
 
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"Tina Hall" <Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote in message
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>
> How about we try to formulate a Beginner's Guide?
>
> I'll see whether I find the Nethack one somewhere on my machine to
> take it as a guideline on what points to mention, and will then
> probably be back with survey-like questions on them.
>

This would be very nice to see... Something else you might want to
check out is the Adom Guidebook:

http://www.andywlms.com/adom/adomgb-toc.html

I found it indispensible during the times I was learning ADOM ...
 
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Gibbering Poster <noone@nowhere.com> whined:
> "Tina Hall" <Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote

>> How about we try to formulate a Beginner's Guide?
>>
>> I'll see whether I find the Nethack one somewhere on my machine
>> to take it as a guideline on what points to mention, and will
>> then probably be back with survey-like questions on them.

> This would be very nice to see... Something else you might want
> to check out is the Adom Guidebook:

> I found it indispensible during the times I was learning ADOM ...

I might have that lying around somewhere (afair, as a Guidebook, it
left too many questions open), but I don't want to learn Adom. :)
(Didn't much like the strictly enforced 'have to follow the red
thread' sentiment, among other things.)

I just took some pointers from the Nethack Beginner's Guide to get a
frame to work on, because I'd surely forget something that needs to
be mentioned. Working on what I got out of that, I already find
plenty of stuff that is Crawl specific. I think the same would
happen with the Adom Guidebook. They have some things in common
(like the core list of stuff to adress), but a lot is specific.

I'm collecting questions as they appear and will post them once I
got as much data accumulated as I can come up with that I think
needs to be said, but I'd be just as happy if people made
suggestions now, along the line of "What's the first that comes to
mind that a newbie should be told?" ('experienced' player) or
"What's the first that comes to mind that I want to know?" ('newbie'
player), free of any influence of what I'll ask, though it could
produce stuff that's already included, it'll still give it more
importance if several people have the same idea.

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Tina the Wrestler - the Champion of the Roasting Nuts Garter
 
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Tina Hall wrote:
> Gibbering Poster <noone@nowhere.com> whined:
>> "Tina Hall" <Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote
>
>>> How about we try to formulate a Beginner's Guide?
>>>
>>> I'll see whether I find the Nethack one somewhere on my machine to
>>> take it as a guideline on what points to mention, and will then
>>> probably be back with survey-like questions on them.
>
>> This would be very nice to see... Something else you might want
>> to check out is the Adom Guidebook:
>
>> I found it indispensible during the times I was learning ADOM ...
>
> I might have that lying around somewhere (afair, as a Guidebook, it
> left too many questions open), but I don't want to learn Adom. :)

The 'Guidebook' (for ADOM) is not provided with the game, it's just a
comprehensive spoiler collection available in html and ascii at
http://www.andywlms.com/adom.
I doubt that Gibbering Poster tried to encourage you to learn ADOM. ;-)
I rather believe that Andy Willams' page was meant as an example on how
a good spoiler collection could (should?) look like. What I like most on
this page is that it collects almost all of the important spoilers in
one single location. Some kind of 'ADOM bible', for me at least...

> I'm collecting questions as they appear and will post them once I got
> as much data accumulated...[snip]

As a first thought, your gods spoiler should go into this collection. I
would like to see even more details about gods (the typical newbie
traps) like e.g. "never fight with an active prayer to Elyvilon"...

Ok, here is a first one (but surely not my last question):
I just recovered the possibility to 'swing' my weapon rather than just
running into the monster. From my first impressions, 'swing' seems to be
more effective compared to the common method, but it probably depends on
weapon, class (human fighter, hand axe in my case) etc. Do you know more
about it?

Rubinstein
 
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Rubinstein <picommander@t-online.de> whined:
> Tina Hall wrote:
>> Gibbering Poster <noone@nowhere.com> whined:

>>> This would be very nice to see... Something else you might
>>> want to check out is the Adom Guidebook:
>>
>>> I found it indispensible during the times I was learning ADOM
>>> ...
>>
>> I might have that lying around somewhere (afair, as a Guidebook,
>> it left too many questions open), but I don't want to learn
>> Adom. :)

> The 'Guidebook' (for ADOM) is not provided with the game,

Yes I know.

> I doubt that Gibbering Poster tried to encourage you to learn
> ADOM. ;-) I rather believe that Andy Willams' page was meant as
> an example on how a good spoiler collection could (should?) look
> like.

Eh, are you talking about a web page? Why should I get out of my way
to look at that when all I want is some frame for points to mention
in a beginner's guide for a different game?

>> I'm collecting questions as they appear and will post them once
>> I got as much data accumulated...[snip]

> As a first thought, your gods spoiler should go into this
> collection.

I think you're confusing the beginner's guide with a collection of
spoilers. I'm not talking about the latter.

The gods spoiler should not go into the beginner's guide. There'll
just be a rough indication of what each god does for the player.
It's not meant to be a spoiler but a guideline on how to survive the
first few levels of Crawl without spoiling all that much. (Something
that could be posted here once a month, even.)

If anyone wants to make a(nother) collection of spoilers, that'd be
nice, but something different. They could put the
spellbooks+spells+spellskills+spelllevels spoiler on it, too, while
they're at it. :)

> I would like to see even more details about gods (the typical
> newbie traps) like e.g. "never fight with an active prayer to
> Elyvilon"...

That's what it says with [pray] on the line with 'killing living
creatures'.

> Ok, here is a first one (but surely not my last question):
> I just recovered the possibility to 'swing' my weapon rather than
> just running into the monster. From my first impressions, 'swing'
> seems to be more effective compared to the common method, but it
> probably depends on weapon, class (human fighter, hand axe in my
> case) etc. Do you know more about it?

I don't know more about it, it's a surprise that there should be a
difference. I'd like to know for sure, too.

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Tina the Poisoner - an Initiate of the Residual Notable Greebling