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Ok, what happened here? Where are my chunks of giant amoeba meat?
(There's nothing beneath the 'J' around me - Shadow Creatures btw. -
either, I checked.) The last messages was my attempt to 'g'et what's
on the same spot as I, 'e'at (incase I'd picked them up already, but
they're not in my inventory, either), and looking at the floor.

The best I can guess is that my dinner puffed away with the spore's
explosion. And giant amoeba chunks is such a nice dish...

[...]
You see here a giant amoeba corpse.
Switching to a butchering implement.
w - a +8,+9 katana of slicing (weapon)
Butcher a giant amoeba corpse?
You start hacking away.
Your skin is crawling a little less now.
You finish chopping the corpse into pieces.
The giant spore explodes!
The explosion of spores engulfs the slime creature.
The explosion of spores engulfs the slime creature.
The explosion of spores engulfs the slime creature.
The explosion of spores engulfs the slime creature.
The explosion of spores engulfs the slime creature.
The explosion of spores engulfs you!
The explosion of spores engulfs the slime creature.
You switch back to your bare hands.
What do you say?
! - Yell
a - Order allies to attack a monster
Anything else - Stay silent
Gang up on whom?
Aim (move cursor or -/+/=, change mode with CTRL-F, select with . or >)
A great orb of eyes.
Floor.
Attack!
There are no items here.
There are no items here.
Okay, then.
There are no items here.
There are no items here.

..#.#..###...................##
..########....................##
JGG.#...#.....................#
...#...#.......................#
..########.....................#
..#.#..###....G................#
G##....##........J...........##
##.....##.....JJJJ...........#
G##...##.......J@J..........##
..#...##........JJJ..........#
J##.##......................#
#####......................##
G###.......................##
..J................<.........#
............J................#
..J..................#####...#
..JJ...............### ##.##

(Later added side-note: There's a rune! Whee!)

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In article <MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet_29286bb4@fidonet.org>, Tina Hall wrote:
> Switching to a butchering implement.
> w - a +8,+9 katana of slicing (weapon)

that's an expensive kitchen knife :)

can't wait to see it on the home shopping channel ;-)


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Tina Hall .-- .-. --- - . ---...

> Ok, what happened here? Where are my chunks of giant amoeba meat?
> (There's nothing beneath the 'J' around me - Shadow Creatures btw. -
> either, I checked.) The last messages was my attempt to 'g'et what's
> on the same spot as I, 'e'at (incase I'd picked them up already, but
> they're not in my inventory, either), and looking at the floor.
>
> The best I can guess is that my dinner puffed away with the spore's
> explosion. And giant amoeba chunks is such a nice dish...

I guess that's the case, except it was on the floor not in inventory, so
you don't have a message "Some of your food is covered with spores".

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Loonie <loonie2@tlen.pl> screamed:
> Tina Hall .-- .-. --- - . ---...

>> Ok, what happened here? Where are my chunks of giant amoeba
>> meat? [...]
>>
>> The best I can guess is that my dinner puffed away with the
>> spore's explosion. And giant amoeba chunks is such a nice
>> dish...

> I guess that's the case, except it was on the floor not in
> inventory, so you don't have a message "Some of your food is
> covered with spores".

"Covered with spores" doesn't equal "vanish", so what exactly
happened?

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Tina Hall wrote:

> "Covered with spores" doesn't equal "vanish", so what exactly
> happened?

The gas spore's explosion is a "sporeball". It works just like a
fireball, but burns food instead of scrolls. If the food is in your
inventory you get a message ('covered with spores', just like 'catches
fire and burns'), if not, you don't (no 'puff of smoke' like in the
fireball case).

HTH

Lars
 
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Tina Hall .-- .-. --- - . ---...

>> I guess that's the case, except it was on the floor not in
>> inventory, so you don't have a message "Some of your food is
>> covered with spores".
> "Covered with spores" doesn't equal "vanish", so what exactly
> happened?

AFAIK it's equal - good approximation for bad food is to vanish it (unlike
Sims 2, where you have to throw it away by hand ;-), however maybe giving
it status "rotten" would be more logical.

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Loonie wrote:
> Tina Hall .-- .-. --- - . ---...
>>"Covered with spores" doesn't equal "vanish", so what exactly
>>happened?
>
> AFAIK it's equal - good approximation for bad food is to vanish it (unlike
> Sims 2, where you have to throw it away by hand ;-), however maybe giving
> it status "rotten" would be more logical.

IIRC this is labeled as a fixme. Whoever wrote the routine didn't want
the entire stack of rations to rot at once (like the mummy curse does
with potions) and was too lazy to implement stack splitting, pack
overflows and whatnot. Also right now non-chunk food can't be rotten
(the hidden value CONTERMINATED, like in orc flesh would be more
apprpriate IMHO), so 'good' spore handling would need quite a bit of coding.

Lars
 
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Lars Kecke <kecke@physik.uni-freiburg.de> screamed:
> Tina Hall wrote:

>> "Covered with spores" doesn't equal "vanish", so what exactly
>> happened?

> The gas spore's explosion is a "sporeball". It works just like a
> fireball, but burns food instead of scrolls.

How does it do that? 'Spore' does not equal 'fire', fire does burn,
spore just lies around and does nothing, which is what I mean. What
happened?

> If the food is in your inventory you get a message ('covered with
> spores', just like 'catches fire and burns'),

If something catches fire and burns, it being gone afterwards is
underastandable. If something is covered with spores, this is not
the case. I mean 'you spread butter on your bread' would let you
think that now the bread is gone? Where's the logic in that?

> if not, you don't (no 'puff of smoke' like in the fireball case).

The message itself give no hint at all, anyway. How is anyone
supposed to guess that covering something with spores makes it
vanish? It makes no sense. And I still have no idea what exactly
happened to the chunks.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tina Hall wrote:

> Lars Kecke <kecke@physik.uni-freiburg.de> screamed:
> > Tina Hall wrote:
>
> > If the food is in your inventory you get a message ('covered with
> > spores', just like 'catches fire and burns'),
>
> If something catches fire and burns, it being gone afterwards is
> underastandable. If something is covered with spores, this is not
> the case. I mean 'you spread butter on your bread' would let you
> think that now the bread is gone? Where's the logic in that?

Well, it isn't gone. However, it is no longer food (or any other class of
item which Crawl thinks you need to know about), so it is removed from the
game. (Just as you can't see the normal sized frogs and stuff in the
dungeon, only the ones big enough to pose a threat to you.)

Now, I agree that this behaviour with regard to spored food seems a little
odd, especially since there is no warning given, but it does make sense.
 
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SC Skipsey <scs105@york.ac.uk> barked:
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tina Hall wrote:
>> Lars Kecke <kecke@physik.uni-freiburg.de> screamed:

>>> If the food is in your inventory you get a message ('covered
>>> with spores', just like 'catches fire and burns'),
>>
>> If something catches fire and burns, it being gone afterwards is
>> underastandable. If something is covered with spores, this is
>> not the case. I mean 'you spread butter on your bread' would let
>> you think that now the bread is gone? Where's the logic in that?

> Well, it isn't gone. However, it is no longer food (or any other
> class of item which Crawl thinks you need to know about), so it
> is removed from the game. (Just as you can't see the normal sized
> frogs and stuff in the dungeon, only the ones big enough to pose
> a threat to you.)

That's not what I'm refering to, though. There's no explanation on
what happened to it, and that's still what I'm asking for. Why would
it no longer be food? What happened to it? Did the spores eat it!?

> Now, I agree that this behaviour with regard to spored food seems
> a little odd, especially since there is no warning given, but it
> does make sense.

A scroll that's been mentioned as burning being gone makes sense. A
food item being mentioned as just being covered in spores
disappearing doesn't make sense, especially since you can drag
around rotten food and skeletons - and the latter seem to stay
forever in your inventory if you don't get rid of them yourself
somehow.

Nothing destructive happend to these chunks of meat.

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Tina_Hall@kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in news:MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=
40fidonet_29389614@fidonet.org:

> Nothing destructive happend to these chunks of meat.

They're rabid chunk-eating spores.
 
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"Tina Hall" <Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote in message
news:MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet_29389614@fidonet.org...
> SC Skipsey <scs105@york.ac.uk> barked:
>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tina Hall wrote:
>>> Lars Kecke <kecke@physik.uni-freiburg.de> screamed:
>
>>>> If the food is in your inventory you get a message ('covered
>>>> with spores', just like 'catches fire and burns'),
>>>
>>> If something catches fire and burns, it being gone afterwards is
>>> underastandable. If something is covered with spores, this is
>>> not the case. I mean 'you spread butter on your bread' would let
>>> you think that now the bread is gone? Where's the logic in that?
>
>> Well, it isn't gone. However, it is no longer food (or any other
>> class of item which Crawl thinks you need to know about), so it
>> is removed from the game. (Just as you can't see the normal sized
>> frogs and stuff in the dungeon, only the ones big enough to pose
>> a threat to you.)
>
> That's not what I'm refering to, though. There's no explanation on
> what happened to it, and that's still what I'm asking for. Why would
> it no longer be food? What happened to it? Did the spores eat it!?
>
>> Now, I agree that this behaviour with regard to spored food seems
>> a little odd, especially since there is no warning given, but it
>> does make sense.
>
> A scroll that's been mentioned as burning being gone makes sense. A
> food item being mentioned as just being covered in spores
> disappearing doesn't make sense, especially since you can drag
> around rotten food and skeletons - and the latter seem to stay
> forever in your inventory if you don't get rid of them yourself
> somehow.
>
> Nothing destructive happend to these chunks of meat.
>

Eh, regardless of how much you like it that is what happenned. Spores
destroyed them.
If it really grates you so, why not submit a patch?

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