Crime and Jail

[bev]

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I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
(everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I
guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?


--
Bev
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Bev <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

>I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
>object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
>(everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I
>guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
>House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
>caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?

(Warning - I'm a newbie myself, so don't take my word as gospel)

As I understand it, the trick with stealing that platter (if I'm
thinking of the same one) is to drop it immediately. The guard comes
over, chews you out, reads you a warning, and nothing else. Then you
pick up the platter and walk away richer. This crime you get without a
punishment, as a means of learning how the system works.

For other crimes, the punishment goes beyond a chewing out, involving
either a fine, jail time, or pissing off every guard that ever sees
you again.

My approach has been to save the game, then try pilfering from a
couple of crates. If I don't get the "your crime has been reported"
message despite my bumbling, then it's fair game. I looted just about
every outdoor crate in Balmora without any difficulty. One of them had
a nice size soul gem, as I recall. By saving the game first, you can
at least roll back if you get in hot water.

Looting in houses is something I don't have much experience with yet.

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Hi--
"Bev" <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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> I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
> object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
> (everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I
> guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
> House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
> caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?
>
>
> --
> Bev
> The email of the species is more deadly than the mail.

Start again. Its early yet. Don't steal anything at first, cause you
will get much better stuff later on. Save early and often, yes?

 

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +1200, Bev <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

>I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
>object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
>(everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I

Bring up the console by hitting the ~ key. Enter TFH and close the
window again. This stands for Toggle Full Help, and will make the game
show you the ownership of any object you examine.

>guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
>House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
>caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?

Generally no, but the customs area is a special situation. At any point
before you give your papers to the captain, you can pick up any item
without accruing jail time or a fine. There is a simple exploit that
relies on this - open your inventory screen (which pauses the game),
pick up the item you want and immediately drop it. When you unpause the
guard will lecture you, but since you don't actually have anything
stolen on you, he doesn't confiscate anything. Then you pick the item up
again, and nobody notices.
--
Greg Johnson
"The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service,
which failed to start because of the following error: The
operation completed successfully." (Windows NT Server v3.51)

 

[AJ]

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I lot of times it just depends whether the person you are stealing from can
see you. Best thing to do is approach them to where their back is turned
towards the item you want to steal, and then invis and go after that
particular item. Invis won't work on crates or anything you have to open
because it causes you to come uninvis. After all, if no one sees you take it
then you didn't take it am I right? Oh by the way, if you steal something
from someone, For instance a diamond in the upstairs bedroom of Elmusa
Dramori (fine alchemest of Balmora), do NOT try to sell it back to her - or
any other diamond for that matter. Even if it's not the one you stole from
her she will assume that it is and call the guards.

 

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Hiya!
"Greg Johnson" <gsj@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message
news:bjgcd0d6tujh5hnao8dggp8ok2j6urarbj@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +1200, Bev <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
> >object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
> >(everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I
>
> Bring up the console by hitting the ~ key. Enter TFH and close the
> window again. This stands for Toggle Full Help, and will make the game
> show you the ownership of any object you examine.
>
> >guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
> >House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
> >caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?
>
> Generally no, but the customs area is a special situation. At any point
> before you give your papers to the captain, you can pick up any item
> without accruing jail time or a fine. There is a simple exploit that
> relies on this - open your inventory screen (which pauses the game),
> pick up the item you want and immediately drop it. When you unpause the
> guard will lecture you, but since you don't actually have anything
> stolen on you, he doesn't confiscate anything. Then you pick the item up
> again, and nobody notices.
> --
> Greg Johnson
> "The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service,
> which failed to start because of the following error: The
> operation completed successfully." (Windows NT Server v3.51)
I have done that.It is still preferable to steal nothing, the steal all
you can a little later in the game. A ring twice, a fine axe, lotsa gold
for so early, and about four new quests.

 

[bev]

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Dennis Curtis wrote:
>
> Hiya!
> "Greg Johnson" <gsj@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message
> news:bjgcd0d6tujh5hnao8dggp8ok2j6urarbj@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +1200, Bev <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > >I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
> > >object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
> > >(everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I
> >
> > Bring up the console by hitting the ~ key. Enter TFH and close the
> > window again. This stands for Toggle Full Help, and will make the game
> > show you the ownership of any object you examine.
> >
> > >guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
> > >House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
> > >caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?
> >
> > Generally no, but the customs area is a special situation. At any point
> > before you give your papers to the captain, you can pick up any item
> > without accruing jail time or a fine. There is a simple exploit that
> > relies on this - open your inventory screen (which pauses the game),
> > pick up the item you want and immediately drop it. When you unpause the
> > guard will lecture you, but since you don't actually have anything
> > stolen on you, he doesn't confiscate anything. Then you pick the item up
> > again, and nobody notices.
> > --
> > Greg Johnson
> > "The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service,
> > which failed to start because of the following error: The
> > operation completed successfully." (Windows NT Server v3.51)
> I have done that.It is still preferable to steal nothing, the steal all
> you can a little later in the game. A ring twice, a fine axe, lotsa gold
> for so early, and about four new quests.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I've tried stealing but am not good at
it. I took the expensive tray after getting the papers at customs (when
I got my inventory) I got told off and pardoned but the tray vanished
before I could put it back. Later I took some food from a house and got
attacked by some red-eyed woman

Seems I am not good at fighting either because I got thoroughly
trounced. Does my character keep fighting once activated or do I have
to keep hitting the left mouse?

Bev
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Bev expounded thusly :

> Thanks for the advice everyone. I've tried stealing but am not good
> at it. I took the expensive tray after getting the papers at customs
> (when I got my inventory) I got told off and pardoned but the tray
> vanished before I could put it back. Later I took some food from a
> house and got attacked by some red-eyed woman
>
> Seems I am not good at fighting either because I got thoroughly
> trounced. Does my character keep fighting once activated or do I have
> to keep hitting the left mouse?

Sadly, for RPG purists, you have to keep clicking. You can enable
"always use best attack" in Options, though, to make it slightly less
Twitch/Action/Platform-esque.

Stealing well develops... Sneak might help

-mb

 

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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:59:27 +1200, Bev <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote:


>Thanks for the advice everyone. I've tried stealing but am not good at
>it. I took the expensive tray after getting the papers at customs (when
>I got my inventory) I got told off and pardoned but the tray vanished
>before I could put it back.

That's why I recommend doing it from inside your Inventory screen - the
game is paused then, so you have all the time you want, as long as you
drop it before leaving that screen.
--
Greg Johnson
"The POP3 server service depends on the SMTP server service,
which failed to start because of the following error: The
operation completed successfully." (Windows NT Server v3.51)

 

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You need to improve your sneak skill, bot in the game and as a player. It
took me a long time to learn how to pick a guy's pocket, and quite often,
just looking will get them angry at me. I'm sure that will change as I get
better at it (I thought 100 was the max, though. Turns out, I may be able to
go higher, unless that doesn't work for the XBox version).

What I'd love to do is give myself a legal "clean slate". For example, if I
stole from someone's shop in Balmora, such as a diamond, I want to "come
clean" and be able to sell diamonds to that person in the future. Is there a
way to do this? The only thing I can think of is to "get caught", turn
myself in, and then I'm free to sell that diamond in the future. What do you
guys have to say?



"Bev" <bevdun@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:40D62E49.41D9ADCA@xtra.co.nz...
> I am finding this aspect of Morrowind trying. How do I know when an
> object belongs to someone else. It's easy enough inside houses,
> (everything) but how about the odd barrel outside houses. Food is OK, I
> guess. I am still in the first part of the game outside the Customs
> House. I tried pinching the platter inside customs worth $600 but was
> caught. Can you reverse the jail charge by putting the object back?
>
>
> --
> Bev
> The email of the species is more deadly than the mail.

 

[Guest]

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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:35:36 GMT, "Boo Foo"
<spicyrednachos@earthlink.net> wrote:

>You need to improve your sneak skill, bot in the game and as a player. It
>took me a long time to learn how to pick a guy's pocket, and quite often,
>just looking will get them angry at me. I'm sure that will change as I get
>better at it (I thought 100 was the max, though. Turns out, I may be able to
>go higher, unless that doesn't work for the XBox version).
>
>What I'd love to do is give myself a legal "clean slate". For example, if I
>stole from someone's shop in Balmora, such as a diamond, I want to "come
>clean" and be able to sell diamonds to that person in the future. Is there a
>way to do this? The only thing I can think of is to "get caught", turn
>myself in, and then I'm free to sell that diamond in the future. What do you
>guys have to say?

That would be a nice way to do things, but it's not the way the game is
programmed. Unfortunately, once you have stolen an item, the ownership
tag is permanently placed on any item of that type you later find, so if
you steal a diamond once, and later you are given a diamond as a quest
reward, that's stolen too. I wish they hadn't done it that way, but it's
probably beyond the ability of a mod to alter. You could probably edit
your saved game in the Construction Set to remove ownership, or if you
know the right console commands, you can probably reset it within the
game.

--
Greg Johnson
Give your child mental blocks for Christmas.

 

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Greg Johnson <gsj@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message news:<o7vge0d2kefeg5d04mh5lglghfpp8nubad@4ax.com>...
> >What I'd love to do is give myself a legal "clean slate". For example, if I
> >stole from someone's shop in Balmora, such as a diamond, I want to "come
> >clean" and be able to sell diamonds to that person in the future.
[snip]
>
> That would be a nice way to do things, but it's not the way the game is
> programmed. Unfortunately, once you have stolen an item, the ownership
> tag is permanently placed on any item of that type you later find, so if
> you steal a diamond once, and later you are given a diamond as a quest
> reward, that's stolen too. [snip]

I'm not too sure here. The stolen attribute is IIRC assigned to
the stack of same items. So, if you haven't stacked anything with
stuff you've stolen, it should be okay. It is however impossible to
control how items stack. As such it is impossible to make sure that
stolen items don't get mixed up with the rest.

IMHO, stealing doesn't really pay in Morrowind. There are enough
money pump scheme (alchemy, soul gems, etc.) in the game, making
the hassle of crime and subsequently punishment not worth the
effort. Having said that, I should point out that theft is still
necessary in a couple of quests, not to mention the fact that
most Propylon index must be stolen. So, you can avoid it completely.

Later...

 

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On 4 Jul 2004 23:51:42 -0700, kirati_lai@hotmail.com (K. Laisathit)
wrote:

>I'm not too sure here. The stolen attribute is IIRC assigned to
>the stack of same items. So, if you haven't stacked anything with
>stuff you've stolen, it should be okay. It is however impossible to
>control how items stack. As such it is impossible to make sure that
>stolen items don't get mixed up with the rest.

I was going by experiment - after stealing the diamond for the Thieves
Guild and then passing it on, the diamond I later got as a reward for
helping the Orcs in Caldera was confiscated by guards when I was next
arrested. In between, I had no diamonds in my inventory at all - so the
ownership seems to be permanently preserved.
--
Greg Johnson
Give your child mental blocks for Christmas.

 

[Guest]

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Well, try again. Maybe after they confiscate the diamond, the ownership tag
is removed?

"Greg Johnson" <gsj@labyrinth.net.au> wrote in message
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> On 4 Jul 2004 23:51:42 -0700, kirati_lai@hotmail.com (K. Laisathit)
> wrote:
>
> >I'm not too sure here. The stolen attribute is IIRC assigned to
> >the stack of same items. So, if you haven't stacked anything with
> >stuff you've stolen, it should be okay. It is however impossible to
> >control how items stack. As such it is impossible to make sure that
> >stolen items don't get mixed up with the rest.
>
> I was going by experiment - after stealing the diamond for the Thieves
> Guild and then passing it on, the diamond I later got as a reward for
> helping the Orcs in Caldera was confiscated by guards when I was next
> arrested. In between, I had no diamonds in my inventory at all - so the
> ownership seems to be permanently preserved.
> --
> Greg Johnson
> Give your child mental blocks for Christmas.

 

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> >I'm not too sure here. The stolen attribute is IIRC assigned to
> >the stack of same items. So, if you haven't stacked anything with
> >stuff you've stolen, it should be okay. It is however impossible to
> >control how items stack. As such it is impossible to make sure that
> >stolen items don't get mixed up with the rest.
>
> I was going by experiment - after stealing the diamond for the Thieves
> Guild and then passing it on, the diamond I later got as a reward for
> helping the Orcs in Caldera was confiscated by guards when I was next
> arrested. In between, I had no diamonds in my inventory at all - so the
> ownership seems to be permanently preserved.

There's a console command which shows the detail flags for all items - if
you're not a XBox-er. Just turn it on and test...