CUDA, PhysX Are Doomed Says AMD's Roy Taylor

[exfileme]

Here's a little smack-talk dished out by AMD.

CUDA, PhysX Are Doomed Says AMD's Roy Taylor : Read more

 

[BringMeAnother]

Why even bother to say such things when you work for a rival company? What he says may or may not be true, but this just sounds like chest pounding.

 

[Giovanni-L]

That is basically being made public to defend AMD's image here on Tom's.

I find it revolting to see "paid-info-wars" happening on this website. I might just migrate do Anandtech or whatever.

 

[fatboytyler]

I mean he does have a good point. Games with heavy PhysX use are bit unfair to AMD users.

 

[redeemer]

PhysX has never taken off, OpenCL is taking over. This is not new, this is the way of the tech industry!

 

[IndignantSkeptic]

I thought OpenCL is being replaced by OpenMP.

 

[notsleep]

well, how about listing all the openCL games against a listing of physx games?

just off the top of my mind, i only know of physx games.

 

[InvalidError]

I don't see why AMD wants Intel to adopt their APU term; their primary purpose is still to act as the CPU no matter what other bits and bobs get integrated.

I doubt many people who know about APUs actually cares whether they call it APU or CPU. To me, this sounds like an obnoxious kid trying to get attention... yes, I know AMD wants us to call them APUs but to me, they're still CPUs with IGP.

 

[mightymaxio]

So what does that make TressFX from AMD or any of the other restrictive technologies holding back the Linux community? NVIDIA has had far better driver support for Linux than AMD has ever had and now it just seems like AMD is spreading lies about NVIDIA not being open source lol.

 

[pocketdrummer]

AMD is coming off like a bunch of douche bags. It's one thing to say you have the superior product, it's another entirely to put down the other company in such a pompous manner.

This makes me want to buy nVidia even more.

 

[dudewitbow]

@mightymaxio

it actually depends, AMD is better with open driver support on linux, nvidia is better with closed driver support. AMD only currently looks bad right now on the linux front because neither company has released an open driver any time recently, and since nvidia is better on the closed front, makes them the better option.

 

[pocketdrummer]

Look at all the down votes on everything that isn't pro-AMD. We either have a load of AMD fanboys on here, or AMD has paid employees to artificially influence public opinion.

(it wouldn't be the first time a company has been caught doing so)

 

[Guest]

Gee a salesman talking trash about the competition, now I have seen it all. It would be great if some people would watch some parts of Carmack's first 2013 Quakecon speech.

PhysX and TressFX or any game "physics" is simply game fluff that in the end add absolutely nothing to the game experience. It is fluff for one reason and that is, actual in-game physics would take up too many resources hence it is relegated to in-game fluff like hair, flags and projectile impact effects, but nothing of substance.

I like AMD products but their used-car salesman marketing tactics they have been pulling in the last year is getting silly. Whose intelligence are they trying to insult. Bashing the competition in your own (or any) field is never a good practice.

 

[Someone Somewhere]

Well, of course he'd say that.

But still, I do agree. PhysX is a solution without a problem, and almost no-one uses it. CUDA is becoming less and less relevant due to OpenCL, plus the newer cards are relatively hopeless at FP64.

 

[smeezekitty]

Personally I feel AMD and NVidia can bash each other all they want. Its just marketing and part of business.

Personally I do agree though. OpenCL being cross platform is much superior. Once it takes off better I am sure NVidia will quickly improve performance in it.

Physx is mainly a gimmick and adds clutter to the screen.

At the end of the day, who cares what the companies say about each other. Atleast it doesn't hurt customers like the hybrid-physx lockout and other anti-competitive practices.

 

[Parsian]

AMD just focus on your own growth. You are making good products, just keep it up. You should also promote GPCPU physics for PC and next gen consoles.

 

[IndignantSkeptic]

@ radiovan

Currently a lot of physics in games is used just for cosmetic effect instead of affecting gameplay because otherwise people with weak hardware would be unable to play the games. This situation will change when most people have sufficiently strong hardware.

 

[loops]

After my 1st ATI gpu after 3 gtx cards...i dont miss gtx. My next gpu will be an apu in the ps4.

 

[DjEaZy]

... CUDA, PhysX Are Doomed Says AMD's Roy Taylor... actually i agree... don't know about CUDA, but Physx seems to go under... nVidia is trying to push Physx with Tegra thru Android, but the gen2 Nexus 7 is not Tegra... and Physx is just optimized for nVidia GPU, but still works, but is not optimized for any x86 CPU... so, is just in the code... and other thing...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PhysX-APEX-CUDA-PlayStation-SDK,21402.html
... so? If PS4 is all AMD, and nVidia Physx gonna work on PS4, so there is a possibility to open up Physx for other platforms... if nVidia opens up Physx, it haz a chance to live on...

 

[Mousemonkey]

Didn't a certain R. Huddy make these very same claims a few years ago?

 

[Guest]

@ radiovan

Currently a lot of physics in games is used just for cosmetic effect instead of affecting gameplay because otherwise people with weak hardware would be unable to play the games. This situation will change when most people have sufficiently strong hardware.

Thank you for rephrasing, what I just said - in-game physics are just fluff due to high system requirements for thing like destructible environments. Was that point lost on you, in my initial post? Perhaps you need to read it again.

 

[17seconds]

So that's how those AMD talking points are started.
Now repeat after me....

 

[cats_Paw]

Sadly, if AMD makes anything that is not propietary and nvidia does, many people will choose nvidia over amd just to have both.

Id love to be able to choose my GPU based on performnace and not on other factors, but its still something to take in consideration.

Physx might not be the best thing ever but it is a nice thing to have...

 

[ET3D]

I never liked NVIDIA's way of using proprietary stuff. Even on Android they help developers create games for Tegra and just lock them to it. There's a new game released with Tegra 4 optimisations, but it only runs on Tegra 3 or 4. I have a Nexus 7 with Tegra 3, but I'm not going to buy a game that's locked to the hardware.

That's where I think NVIDIA fails, it limits things too much. With PhysX, if it even let me use a second card for it I probably would have, but instead it did its best to lock out the possibility. That's why PhysX will never make it. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have minded spending $50 on a PhysX card even if they bought AMD.

 

[yannigr]

Nvidia killed PhysX when they locked the drivers
"Oh no, you can't have PhysX with an AMD as a primary card"
"But I AM your customer. My second card IS Nvidia"
"No you CAN'T"
"OK then, I DON'T WANT IT".

On the other hand AMD DIDN'T locked TressFX and I thank them. I am an AMD customer (3 PCs, 2 Phenom II, 1 Athlon II) but this period of time happens to be with two Nvidia cards. I was with AMD cards for years (HD3850 CF/HD4830 CF/HD4850/HD4890/HD5670...) but I found an 560ti and an GT240 at half the price and couldn't resist. Well, AMD DIDN't punished me like Nvidia would. That's why I will continue being their customer always waiting the right time to replace my two Nvidia cards with AMD ones.