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Hi

I've got a question to the Card Culling Scales.

It says that in my upkeep the permanent with the lowest converted Manacosts
will die.
But what if this card is indestructible or has some kind of protection like
Lightning Greaves
So i can't target this card. Does this mean that Culling Scales does nothing
or should i only this card and target the next one legal target?

thanks

Haggy
 
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Boas Enkler wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've got a question to the Card Culling Scales.
>
> It says that in my upkeep the permanent with the lowest converted
> Manacosts will die.
> But what if this card is indestructible or has some kind of protection
> like Lightning Greaves
> So i can't target this card.

These are two different cases. Nothing in being indestructible prevents
it from being targetted. It just doesn't die.

> Does this mean that Culling Scales does
> nothing or should i only this card and target the next one legal target?
>

If the targetted card is indestructible, nothing happens. If the
card with the lowest converted mana cost cannot be targetted (because
of Lightning Greaves or some other effect), you must target something
with the lowest mana cost among the otherwise legal targets.


> thanks
>
> Haggy


Culling Scales
{3}
Artifact
At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy target nonland permanent with
the lowest converted mana cost among nonland permanents in play. (If two
or more permanents are tied for lowest cost, target any one of them.)
--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
 
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 14:39:06 +0200, Boas Enkler <info@it-design.biz> wrote:
>I've got a question to the Card Culling Scales.
>
>It says that in my upkeep the permanent with the lowest converted Manacosts
>will die.
>But what if this card is indestructible or has some kind of protection like
>Lightning Greaves
>So i can't target this card. Does this mean that Culling Scales does nothing
>or should i only this card and target the next one legal target?

It means Culling Scales can't pick a legal target, so its triggered ability
gets taken off the stack right after going on. Culling Scales doesn't say
"target permanent with the lowest converted mana cost _among permanents
Culling Scales can target_"; it has to target a lowest-cmc permanent, or
it can't target anything.

So this means Culling Scales does Nothing that upkeep.

If there's a tie for lowest cmc, and some of them can't be the target of
CS, you have to pick a target from among those of that lowest CMC that are
legal.

And: if the chosen permanent is indestructible, CS can target it, and can hit
it with a 'destroy this' effect, just fine ... it just can't -destroy- it
with that effect. So again it Does Nothing to that permanent.

Dave
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 14:39:06 +0200, "Boas Enkler" <info@it-design.biz>
wrote:

>I've got a question to the Card Culling Scales.
>
>It says that in my upkeep the permanent with the lowest converted Manacosts
>will die.
>But what if this card is indestructible or has some kind of protection like
>Lightning Greaves
>So i can't target this card. Does this mean that Culling Scales does nothing
>or should i only this card and target the next one legal target?

From Saturday School on http://www.wizards.com/magic

**
Q: If I have Culling Scales and there is only one permanent with
converted mana cost 1, and it can't be the target of spells or
abilities, and other permanents costs more - what will happen? --
Dimitiy Remerov, Novosibirsk, Russia

A:Culling Scales can only target the permanent with the lowest
converted mana cost (you choose which if there is a tie). If it's not
possible to target a permanent with the lowest mana cost, the ability
has no legal targets, so it gets removed from the stack and won't do
anything.
**
**
Q: I have Culling Scales and Darksteel Ingot in play. No other
non-land permanent is in play. What happens? Can I keep my Scales in
play as long as I want targetting the Ingot?
-- Gianluca Bevere

A: You can do this. Culling Scales targets a permanent with the lowest
converted mana cost each of your upkeeps, and you are allowed to
choose indestructible permanents even though they won't be destroyed
by the effect.
**
**
Last week, I answered a question which involved having Culling Scales
in play, along with Tel-Jilad Chosen (a creature creature with
converted mana cost 2 and protection from artifacts).

The main feedback question I got over the last week was "since you're
not allowed to target the Chosen, won't you have to target something
else instead?" – and the answer to this question is "not if it's the
only permanent with the lowest converted mana cost". The target of
Culling Scales is "target nonland permanent with the lowest converted
mana cost among nonland permanents in play" – which has two
requirements: the permanent must be "not a land", and it must have
"lowest converted mana cost among nonland permanents in play". Both of
these must be satisfied to be a legal target, and you can't choose
something with a higher converted mana cost if something if the
permanent with the lowest cost is not legal to target.
**

--
Regards
Simon Nejmann
 
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Chris Mattern, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> Boas Enkler wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I've got a question to the Card Culling Scales.
> >
> > It says that in my upkeep the permanent with the lowest converted
> > Manacosts will die.
> > But what if this card is indestructible or has some kind of protection
> > like Lightning Greaves
> > So i can't target this card.
>
> These are two different cases. Nothing in being indestructible prevents
> it from being targetted. It just doesn't die.

Right, but...

> > Does this mean that Culling Scales does
> > nothing or should i only this card and target the next one legal target?
> >
>
> If the targetted card is indestructible, nothing happens. If the
> card with the lowest converted mana cost cannot be targetted (because
> of Lightning Greaves or some other effect), you must target something
> with the lowest mana cost among the otherwise legal targets.

.... the last part of this is not true. (You're correct about what
happens with indestructible permanents.) If the permanent with the
lowest (not tied-for-lowest) CMC is not a legal target, the ability
fizzles. Of course, if there are several tied for the lowest, and some
are legal targets and some are not, you have to choose one of the legal
ones.

> Culling Scales
> {3}
> Artifact
> At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy target nonland permanent with
> the lowest converted mana cost among nonland permanents in play. (If two
> or more permanents are tied for lowest cost, target any one of them.)
 
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Jeff Heikkinen wrote:

> Chris Mattern, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
>> Boas Enkler wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I've got a question to the Card Culling Scales.
>> >
>> > It says that in my upkeep the permanent with the lowest converted
>> > Manacosts will die.
>> > But what if this card is indestructible or has some kind of protection
>> > like Lightning Greaves
>> > So i can't target this card.
>>
>> These are two different cases. Nothing in being indestructible prevents
>> it from being targetted. It just doesn't die.
>
> Right, but...
>
>> > Does this mean that Culling Scales does
>> > nothing or should i only this card and target the next one legal
>> > target?
>> >
>>
>> If the targetted card is indestructible, nothing happens. If the
>> card with the lowest converted mana cost cannot be targetted (because
>> of Lightning Greaves or some other effect), you must target something
>> with the lowest mana cost among the otherwise legal targets.
>
> ... the last part of this is not true. (You're correct about what
> happens with indestructible permanents.) If the permanent with the
> lowest (not tied-for-lowest) CMC is not a legal target, the ability
> fizzles.

Ya got me, I was wrong there. Of course, all this means that if
the lowest (and not tied) CMC is not a legal target when the
Scales' ability is to be placed on the stack, it can't be put
on the stack at all, so it never even gets the chance to fizzle.
(As opposed to indestructible, in which case the ability is
put on the stack *and* successfully resolves; it just doesn't
actually do anything. Another difference is that if multiple
targets are tied for the lowest CMC, you can duck the Scales
by choosing something indestructible, but you *can't* choose
something untargettable--as you said, you have to choose something
else)

> Of course, if there are several tied for the lowest, and some
> are legal targets and some are not, you have to choose one of the legal
> ones.
>
>> Culling Scales
>> {3}
>> Artifact
>> At the beginning of your upkeep, destroy target nonland permanent with
>> the lowest converted mana cost among nonland permanents in play. (If two
>> or more permanents are tied for lowest cost, target any one of them.)

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
 
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