Question currently have a coolermaster h412r, looking to upgrade to a noctua?

[MrDeeJ8877]

So i have a acer predator P03 630 which is a dekstop, it included some trashy fan so i changed it to a hyper h412r, i have a i7 11700f which reached around 95c with the stock cooler and now with the hyper i am reaching 83c on cinebench. the thing is i also increased the long term powerlimit from 65w to 130w because performance was kinda poor. the thing is once the fan hits full speed my temps dont move from 83c which is kinda meh. i have another pc which needs a cooler because this one is reaching even higher temps with the intel stock cooler. i wanted to buy either the Noctua U9S or the Noctua D9L and use the hyper 412r on the other pc. other owners of my acer model have installed the U9S without problem. so i have 2 quesitons. 1, is the installation between the U9S and D9L similar? 2. will my temperatures be lower with the U9S, D9L or with the Hyper 412r? the one i am the most interested is the D9L because it has a decent price but it the U9S is waaay better i would rather get the better one. i guess temps below 80c would be my target. would appreciate some help, i also added a picture so you guys can see my current setup, its a really small pc so limited options

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Take the cooler off, but with the processor still mounted, use a scale/ruler to see how much distance/clearance you have from the CPU's socket to the side panel on the prebuilt.

IMHO, the problem with the build/prebuilt, is that it doesn't have adequate air being fed into the case. So even if you did replace the cooler, it'd be a moot endeavor. Replacing the case would also be moot due to the bespoke nature/design of the motherboard.

 

[Phaaze88]

Question: Are the VRMs on that motherboard naked(no heatsinks)? The Hyper 412R is inconveniently obstructing them in that picture.
[Look for several, or a few, bare naked square mosfets on the motherboard, toward the top and the left in the picture.]

If they are, a larger cooler may not help too much in this case, if the VRMs are throttling.
If that happens, the cpu still loses performance. Increasing power limit causes the VRM to run hotter.
Besides, that cpu isn't supposed to thermal throttle until 99.5C.

There's the turbo boost duration, but that's not throttling. It's 28 seconds for that cpu(if memory serves), and many cpus need longer than that to finish a lap of Cinebench R23.


TL;DR: While you have posted some concerning thermals, they are 'acceptable'. They might not be the only issue though, which is why the appearance of the VRMs was taken into question.

 

[MrDeeJ8877]

Question: Are the VRMs on that motherboard naked(no heatsinks)? The Hyper 412R is inconveniently obstructing them in that picture.
[Look for several, or a few, bare naked square mosfets on the motherboard, toward the top and the left in the picture.]

If they are, a larger cooler may not help too much in this case, if the VRMs are throttling.
If that happens, the cpu still loses performance. Increasing power limit causes the VRM to run hotter.
Besides, that cpu isn't supposed to thermal throttle until 99.5C.

There's the turbo boost duration, but that's not throttling. It's 28 seconds for that cpu(if memory serves), and many cpus need longer than that to finish a lap of Cinebench R23.


TL;DR: While you have posted some concerning thermals, they are 'acceptable'. They might not be the only issue though, which is why the appearance of the VRMs was taken into question.

oh hi so i know a bit about computers but not enough to know if my vrm are naked, there is no heatsink in them so i assume they are naked. sadly i am not home so i cant send you better pictures but i had some pics on my phone that i cropped. the stock power limits are 65W and 154W, i currently have them at 130W and 154W, if i increased them above 154 the pc crashes which its probably a VRM problem. at least acer thought they could handle 154W short term. i could lower the wattage. Cinebench score goes from 9000 with the stock powerlimits to 13000 with my current limits and havent had problems so far. i can run cinebench for 1 hour and the scores stay the same. do you think the VRM is throttling. normal limits for a 11700f are 65W and 200W so the limits are still low in my setup. also wouldnt lower cpu temps result in normalish VRM temps? like could a cpu be at sub 80c and the VRMs at 99c? sorry if i confuse you i can provide more info if you need

i apologize for the poor pictures, if these dont work as soon as i get back home ill open it up and send you better pictures

 

[MrDeeJ8877]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Take the cooler off, but with the processor still mounted, use a scale/ruler to see how much distance/clearance you have from the CPU's socket to the side panel on the prebuilt.

IMHO, the problem with the build/prebuilt, is that it doesn't have adequate air being fed into the case. So even if you did replace the cooler, it'd be a moot endeavor. Replacing the case would also be moot due to the bespoke nature/design of the motherboard.

Hi so i am not going back to my house till tomorrow but i took measurements once because i wanted to upgrade my gpu. the distance from the 16xPCIE to the panel was about 14.5 - 15cm which i assume the distance would be similar to the cpu one but if this doesn't work i can take proper measures tomorrow. i also have the problem with front fan. the front fan is basically blocked by the hdd tray. you can remove the hdd tray and a lot of people do and temps do get better specially gpu temps. i want to remove the tray but i have no idea if i can place my hdd on the bottom of the case with some double sided tape or if this would even work? i saw somewhere that vibrations kill hard drives so any idea on how to place a hdd without tray?

 

[Phaaze88]

Yep, those VRMs have no heatsinks.
The Throttlestop app is likely the easiest way to check for VRM throttling, but I've never needed to use it. @uWebb429 , if you don't mind, could you help with this?

also wouldnt lower cpu temps result in normalish VRM temps?

No. There are scenarios where cpu core thermals are acceptable, due to the VRM having already throttled and forced down core clock and voltage, thus, it looks like all is well, but it actually isn't.