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what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
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>Subject: Danger of eating lead shot ???
>From: "SimonSX" Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk
>Date: 01/10/2004 09:22 GMT
>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
Over the years I've digested the odd pellet here and there and I'm still
around. I recall cracking a tooth once though.
If you plan to eat lead shot by the platefull it might be a different matter of
course ;-)
Steve. Suffolk.
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>Subject: Danger of eating lead shot ???
>From: "SimonSX" Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk
>Date: 01/10/2004 09:22 GMT
>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
Over the years I've digested the odd pellet here and there and I'm still
around. I recall cracking a tooth once though.
If you plan to eat lead shot by the platefull it might be a different matter of
course ;-)
Steve. Suffolk.
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:22:54 +0100, "SimonSX"
<Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>snippety snip<
>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
>
You can bu@@ger up any abdominal or chest Xrays you are due to
undergo,
you can leave little back balls in the pan of the toilet and I suppose
eventually you might suffer some toxic effects but I can't say how
easily your blood system would absorb any of the lead involved.
You been listening to Radio 4?
From Pete
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Being eaten by a crocodile is just like falling asleep in a blender"
Bart Simpson
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:22:54 +0100, "SimonSX"
<Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>snippety snip<
>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
>
You can bu@@ger up any abdominal or chest Xrays you are due to
undergo,
you can leave little back balls in the pan of the toilet and I suppose
eventually you might suffer some toxic effects but I can't say how
easily your blood system would absorb any of the lead involved.
You been listening to Radio 4?
From Pete
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Being eaten by a crocodile is just like falling asleep in a blender"
Bart Simpson
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"SimonSX" <Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:
> what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot
in shot
> game???
After a few years of eating lead shot, I would advise you not
go swimming too often. If you combine the shot with beans for
safety reasons make sure you point you back side in a safe
direction BEFORE you loosen the load so to speak.
It can also be a slight set back at the airport but can often
be bluffed.
Colonic irrigation is the only way to remove these little
beasties and some do charge a little more. NEVER ever believe
what your bathroom scales tell you.
Do your bit for the environment and recycle which is quite
easy to do, just check the loo pan every four months or so.
John
"SimonSX" <Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com:
> what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot
in shot
> game???
After a few years of eating lead shot, I would advise you not
go swimming too often. If you combine the shot with beans for
safety reasons make sure you point you back side in a safe
direction BEFORE you loosen the load so to speak.
It can also be a slight set back at the airport but can often
be bluffed.
Colonic irrigation is the only way to remove these little
beasties and some do charge a little more. NEVER ever believe
what your bathroom scales tell you.
Do your bit for the environment and recycle which is quite
easy to do, just check the loo pan every four months or so.
John
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In article <415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, SimonSX
<Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
>
If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about the banning of
lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at Scottish wetlands
and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as the ducks, you need
have no fear. The reason they get lead poisoning is that the lead
pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along with the plants, seeds,
etc. that they've been eating and the lead then gets absorbed through
the walls of the gut and into the blood stream. As you lack a gizzard
and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach isn't strong enough to act on
the lead it will pass straight through you untouched. Recycling, anyone?
--
Malcolm
In article <415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, SimonSX
<Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
>
If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about the banning of
lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at Scottish wetlands
and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as the ducks, you need
have no fear. The reason they get lead poisoning is that the lead
pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along with the plants, seeds,
etc. that they've been eating and the lead then gets absorbed through
the walls of the gut and into the blood stream. As you lack a gizzard
and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach isn't strong enough to act on
the lead it will pass straight through you untouched. Recycling, anyone?
--
Malcolm
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:lTqMUfd1kVXBFwSG@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
> In article <415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
SimonSX
> <Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
>>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot
in shot
>>game???
>>
> If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about
the banning
> of lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at
Scottish
> wetlands and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as
the
> ducks, you need have no fear. The reason they get lead
poisoning is
> that the lead pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along
with the
> plants, seeds, etc. that they've been eating and the lead
then gets
> absorbed through the walls of the gut and into the blood
stream. As
> you lack a gizzard and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach
isn't
> strong enough to act on the lead it will pass straight
through you
> untouched. Recycling, anyone?
I would be very interested in *any* solid scientific research
you could provide to prove that the ducks are being adversely
effected and poisoned by lead shot.
Can you do this?
John
>
Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:lTqMUfd1kVXBFwSG@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
> In article <415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
SimonSX
> <Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
>>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot
in shot
>>game???
>>
> If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about
the banning
> of lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at
Scottish
> wetlands and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as
the
> ducks, you need have no fear. The reason they get lead
poisoning is
> that the lead pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along
with the
> plants, seeds, etc. that they've been eating and the lead
then gets
> absorbed through the walls of the gut and into the blood
stream. As
> you lack a gizzard and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach
isn't
> strong enough to act on the lead it will pass straight
through you
> untouched. Recycling, anyone?
I would be very interested in *any* solid scientific research
you could provide to prove that the ducks are being adversely
effected and poisoned by lead shot.
Can you do this?
John
>
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In article <Xns95759A6E6F676OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>, John
<zero_one34@hotmail.com> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:lTqMUfd1kVXBFwSG@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
>SimonSX
>> <Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot
>in shot
>>>game???
>>>
>> If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about
>the banning
>> of lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at
>Scottish
>> wetlands and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as
>the
>> ducks, you need have no fear. The reason they get lead
>poisoning is
>> that the lead pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along
>with the
>> plants, seeds, etc. that they've been eating and the lead
>then gets
>> absorbed through the walls of the gut and into the blood
>stream. As
>> you lack a gizzard and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach
>isn't
>> strong enough to act on the lead it will pass straight
>through you
>> untouched. Recycling, anyone?
>
>I would be very interested in *any* solid scientific research
>you could provide to prove that the ducks are being adversely
>effected and poisoned by lead shot.
>Can you do this?
>
Yes, of course. There's an extensive literature on the subject based on
solid scientific research. I can send you some titles if you wish.
The evidence has been sufficient to convince the authorities in England
and Wales, the USA, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway,
Sweden, Finland and Australia, to ban it either completely or partially.
I somehow doubt they all would have done that had there not been solid
scientific evidence of adverse effects such as deaths by poisoning.
The following extracts are from the BASC website:
"There is NO DOUBT [their emphasis] that some waterfowl are poisoned by
lead gunshot in this country. There is abundant evidence of lead shot
inside gizzards, toxic lead levels in vital organs and recorded deaths
in the field. Scientific studies have been published in the 1960s, 70s
and 80s.
The total number of waterfowl that die from lead poisoning cannot easily
be estimated. It is not large but this loss (avoidable waste) is not
what can be considered wise use of our quarry species. The shooting
organisations have long recognised this and agreed we should act
responsibly by using lead alternatives."
To my mind, BASC have indeed acted responsibly over the long period of
discussion and consultation about banning the use of lead shot. They
were, for example, insistent that suitable alternatives had to be found
before any ban was instituted, and also worked hard to achieve a
voluntary ban well before the legal ban was brought in.
--
Malcolm
In article <Xns95759A6E6F676OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>, John
<zero_one34@hotmail.com> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:lTqMUfd1kVXBFwSG@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <415d1f43$0$29905$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
>SimonSX
>> <Simonuk_behappy@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot
>in shot
>>>game???
>>>
>> If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about
>the banning
>> of lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at
>Scottish
>> wetlands and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as
>the
>> ducks, you need have no fear. The reason they get lead
>poisoning is
>> that the lead pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along
>with the
>> plants, seeds, etc. that they've been eating and the lead
>then gets
>> absorbed through the walls of the gut and into the blood
>stream. As
>> you lack a gizzard and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach
>isn't
>> strong enough to act on the lead it will pass straight
>through you
>> untouched. Recycling, anyone?
>
>I would be very interested in *any* solid scientific research
>you could provide to prove that the ducks are being adversely
>effected and poisoned by lead shot.
>Can you do this?
>
Yes, of course. There's an extensive literature on the subject based on
solid scientific research. I can send you some titles if you wish.
The evidence has been sufficient to convince the authorities in England
and Wales, the USA, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway,
Sweden, Finland and Australia, to ban it either completely or partially.
I somehow doubt they all would have done that had there not been solid
scientific evidence of adverse effects such as deaths by poisoning.
The following extracts are from the BASC website:
"There is NO DOUBT [their emphasis] that some waterfowl are poisoned by
lead gunshot in this country. There is abundant evidence of lead shot
inside gizzards, toxic lead levels in vital organs and recorded deaths
in the field. Scientific studies have been published in the 1960s, 70s
and 80s.
The total number of waterfowl that die from lead poisoning cannot easily
be estimated. It is not large but this loss (avoidable waste) is not
what can be considered wise use of our quarry species. The shooting
organisations have long recognised this and agreed we should act
responsibly by using lead alternatives."
To my mind, BASC have indeed acted responsibly over the long period of
discussion and consultation about banning the use of lead shot. They
were, for example, insistent that suitable alternatives had to be found
before any ban was instituted, and also worked hard to achieve a
voluntary ban well before the legal ban was brought in.
--
Malcolm
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They banned lead fishing shot, due to poisoning waterfowl. (mainly Swan)
Anything bigger than size 8 shot is non-lead now.
Size 8 & smaller are still lead,
IIRC, because this was considered small enough to pass through the system,
instead of lying in digestive system for prolonged periods.
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They banned lead fishing shot, due to poisoning waterfowl. (mainly Swan)
Anything bigger than size 8 shot is non-lead now.
Size 8 & smaller are still lead,
IIRC, because this was considered small enough to pass through the system,
instead of lying in digestive system for prolonged periods.
--
Andy (UK_Rabbiter)
Creator, Manager & Moderator of Rabbit Hunters
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/Rabbit
http://groups.msn.com/RabbitHunters
http://s7.invisionfree.com/Rabbit_Hunters
My site
www.ukrabbiter.co.uk
All mail is scanned by Norton Anti-virus 2004 Pro
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