Darksteel Citadel under Blood Moon - destructible!

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Hello, All!
I've just realized, having opened Blood Moon in a Core Set booster and
working on a land-destruction deck, that Darksteel Citadel can be
destroyed with Blood Moon in play:


Blood Moon
2R
Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.

Darksteel Citadel
Artifact Land
Darksteel Citadel is indestructible. ("Destroy" effects and lethal
damage don't destroy it.)
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
Relevant rule:
212.6e If an effect changes a land's type to one or more of the basic
land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses any rules
text it had in its text box, and it gains the rules text for the
appropriate mana ability for each of its basic land types. Note that
this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other
effects. Changing a land's type doesn't add or remove any types (such as
creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow-covered) the
land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its
own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land
types and mana abilities.

Of course, the same applies for Sea's Claim, Phantasmal Terrain, flood
counters from Quicksilver Fountain and other similar effects.

Regards,
Arkady.
 
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:38:05 -0400, Arkady Zilberberg <arkadyz1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hello, All!
>I've just realized, having opened Blood Moon in a Core Set booster and
>working on a land-destruction deck, that Darksteel Citadel can be
>destroyed with Blood Moon in play:

Yes - it loses its rules text.

>Blood Moon >2R >Enchantment
>Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
>
>Darksteel Citadel >Artifact Land
>Darksteel Citadel is indestructible. ("Destroy" effects and lethal
>damage don't destroy it.) / T: Add 1 to your mana pool.

>Relevant rule:
>212.6e If an effect changes a land's type to one or more of the basic
>land types, the land no longer has its old land type. It loses any rules
>text it had in its text box, and it gains the rules text for the
>appropriate mana ability for each of its basic land types. Note that
>this doesn't remove any abilities that were granted to the land by other
>effects. Changing a land's type doesn't add or remove any types (such as
>creature) or supertypes (such as basic, legendary, and snow-covered) the
>land may have. If a land gains one or more land types in addition to its
>own, it keeps its land types and rules text, and it gains the new land
>types and mana abilities.
>
>Of course, the same applies for Sea's Claim, Phantasmal Terrain, flood
>counters from Quicksilver Fountain and other similar effects.

Right. Changing one of the artifact lands to a basic land type loses it its
text (and thus the abilities it gets from that text) and gives it the basic
land type's mana ability text (and ability) only, so it stops being
indestructible because it loses "This is indestructible".

Similar solutions for creatures are somewhat rarer, alas.

Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:38:05 -0400, Arkady Zilberberg <arkadyz1@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>Hello, All!
>>I've just realized, having opened Blood Moon in a Core Set booster and
>>working on a land-destruction deck, that Darksteel Citadel can be
>>destroyed with Blood Moon in play:

> Changing one of the artifact lands to a basic land type loses it its
> text (and thus the abilities it gets from that text) and gives it the
> basic
> land type's mana ability text (and ability) only, so it stops being
> indestructible because it loses "This is indestructible".

Right, but does it really lose *all* of its text before it gains all of the
text of Mountain? Or just the rules text in its text box? Specifically, does
it lose the "artifact" supertype?

In the past, I considered using Blood Moon against Affinity decks, but
nobody else seemed to, which implies that it is not effective against them,
which further implies that the artifact lands turn into artifact mountains.
 
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War_Pig5 <dontsendjunk2me@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>> Changing one of the artifact lands to a basic land type loses it its
>> text (and thus the abilities it gets from that text) and gives it the
>> basic
>> land type's mana ability text (and ability) only, so it stops being
>> indestructible because it loses "This is indestructible".
>
>Right, but does it really lose *all* of its text before it gains all of the
>text of Mountain? Or just the rules text in its text box? Specifically, does
>it lose the "artifact" supertype?

It loses only the rules text in its text box. Its name and type line stay
the same (except that the land subtype changes to the specified basic-land
subtype). So yes, it's still an artifact - you changed its subtype, not its
type.

>In the past, I considered using Blood Moon against Affinity decks, but
>nobody else seemed to, which implies that it is not effective against them,
>which further implies that the artifact lands turn into artifact mountains.

They do. And they still have their original name as well, in case you wanted to
use the Echoing stuff on them...

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
 
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:50:35 -0400, "War_Pig5"
<dontsendjunk2me@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:

>> Changing one of the artifact lands to a basic land type loses it its
>> text (and thus the abilities it gets from that text) and gives it the
>> basic
>> land type's mana ability text (and ability) only, so it stops being
>> indestructible because it loses "This is indestructible".
>
>Right, but does it really lose *all* of its text before it gains all of the
>text of Mountain? Or just the rules text in its text box? Specifically, does
>it lose the "artifact" supertype?

212.6e If an effect changes a land's type to one or more of the basic
land types, ...
It loses any rules text it had in its text box ...
Changing a land's type doesn't add or remove any types (such as
creature) or supertypes (such as basic and legendary) the land may
have. ...

>In the past, I considered using Blood Moon against Affinity decks, but
>nobody else seemed to, which implies that it is not effective against them,
>which further implies that the artifact lands turn into artifact mountains.

Dosn't work.

--
Regards
Simon Nejmann
 
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