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Madame Mim wrote:

> Miriam Webster Online
>
> Main Entry: vi·rus
> Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Latin, venom, poisonous emanation; akin to Greek ios poison,
> Sanskrit visa; in senses 2 & 4, from New Latin, from Latin
> 1 archaic : VENOM 1
> 2 a : the causative agent of an infectious disease b : any of a large group
> of submicroscopic infective agents that are regarded either as extremely
> simple microorganisms or as extremely complex molecules, that typically
> contain a protein coat surrounding an RNA or DNA core of genetic material
> but no semipermeable membrane, that are capable of growth and multiplication
> only in living cells, and that cause various important diseases in humans,
> lower animals, or plants; also : FILTERABLE VIRUS c : a disease caused by a
> virus
> 3 : something that poisons the mind or soul <the force of this virus of
> prejudice -- V. S. Waters>
> 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly innocuous
> program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other programs
> and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)
>
>
> If it's latin the plural has to be virii - only the English use the same
> word for one and many of something - sheep.
>
> MM
>

The other one is "moose" - unlike goose, the plural of moose is still moose.

According to Bartleby, however, the plural of virus is now viruses.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/81/V0118100.html

-georg
 
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<snip>

> If it's latin the plural has to be virii - only the English use the same
> word for one and many of something - sheep.

Surely the plural would be virii only if the original word was virius,
and it was Greek?

CK
 
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Reply to him that, technically, a BIOS is firmware.

;')

I don't know about you Granny, but anyone who's answer to your original
problem was to straight away format the HD isn't going to win any MENSA
awards in my book. The formatting of a HD is something you do when you admit
to yourself that the problem is beyond your solving. I know people who
format HD's in response to virus (see I took your advice) infections because
they are too cheap or lazy to get the proper software to protect their
machines. I have only once had to format a system due to the problem being
beyond me, and that was when networking WinXP with Win98 played havoc with
the 98 OS

MM



"Granny Crabapple" <marrowjam@[really wild]blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:W2RNd.9623$8B3.1716@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:cCQNd.151494$K7.10405@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> >
> > If it's latin the plural has to be virii - only the English use the same
> > word for one and many of something - sheep.
> >
> > MM
> >
> You really do not want to get involved in this argument. I was battered
with
> declinations. I then had the Big Oxford Dictionary thrown at me.
> If you look it up in etymology some sites have Latin pundits arguing about
> it like mad. They approve of virus, as both sing and plural. Viruses, if
you
> are pushed. Virii... 8(((( Only if you can prove it is used in something
> like a second declination of past history with bells on and the moon is
> full.
>
> By the way... The son is picking up my Athlon Inside at eight tomorrow
> morning.
> This is sensible, as he can poke about and download any BIOS flashes
without
> having to keep changing boards round every five minutes.
>
> I have also been told off for not refering to the BIOS as 'software'. And
> tutted at for .. He asked 'did you change your jumper?'
> 'No,' I told him. 'I wouldn't risk fiddling with the hardware if....'
> 'Breaking the habit of a lifetime, huh?'
>
> I really, really, really think I have had enough of people telling me I am
a
> nincompoop for today.
> So I might be gone for some time. Especially as he is off to Sheffield on
> Wednesday. Perhaps it will all be done and back here by tomorrow night?
>
> Yes, I know, I am a nincompoop. 8(((
>
> Granny.
>
>
 
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That is the best and most concise argument I've ever seen for this
discussion (except for the Greek part, which I consider unnecessary).

Virus or Viri, but not Virii - something to think on in any case.

MM


"CK" <CatKiller@nospamplease.Bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:cu95hn$7di$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> <snip>
>
> > If it's latin the plural has to be virii - only the English use the same
> > word for one and many of something - sheep.
>
> Surely the plural would be virii only if the original word was virius,
> and it was Greek?
>
> CK
 
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"Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:t5XNd.152078$K7.34506@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> That is the best and most concise argument I've ever seen for this
> discussion (except for the Greek part, which I consider unnecessary).
>
> Virus or Viri, but not Virii - something to think on in any case.
>
I saw an explanation of why it is viruses and not virii somewhere but now I
don't remember the explanation. If I remember correctly it had something to
do with the case though.

Gareeth
 
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Granny Crabapple wrote:
> "Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:cCQNd.151494$K7.10405@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>>If it's latin the plural has to be virii - only the English use the same
>>word for one and many of something - sheep.
>>
>>MM
>>
>
> You really do not want to get involved in this argument. I was battered with
> declinations. I then had the Big Oxford Dictionary thrown at me.
> If you look it up in etymology some sites have Latin pundits arguing about
> it like mad. They approve of virus, as both sing and plural. Viruses, if you
> are pushed. Virii... 8(((( Only if you can prove it is used in something
> like a second declination of past history with bells on and the moon is
> full.
>
> By the way... The son is picking up my Athlon Inside at eight tomorrow
> morning.
> This is sensible, as he can poke about and download any BIOS flashes without
> having to keep changing boards round every five minutes.
>
> I have also been told off for not refering to the BIOS as 'software'. And
> tutted at for .. He asked 'did you change your jumper?'
> 'No,' I told him. 'I wouldn't risk fiddling with the hardware if....'
> 'Breaking the habit of a lifetime, huh?'
>
> I really, really, really think I have had enough of people telling me I am a
> nincompoop for today.
> So I might be gone for some time. Especially as he is off to Sheffield on
> Wednesday. Perhaps it will all be done and back here by tomorrow night?
>
> Yes, I know, I am a nincompoop. 8(((
>
> Granny.
>
>

Granny,
My hubby works with computers and he says that the BIOS is not software.
He said it's called firmware. So you can tut that right back at your
son the next time you talk to him 😉

Ali
 
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"Granny Crabapple" <marrowjam@[really wild]blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:HULNd.9386$8B3.6492@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> And I have been informed, jeeringly, that virii is wrong, and pretentious.
> Well, that's told me. 8(
>

Actually "virii" is wrong - you have an extra "i" in there. The "us" ending
turns in to an "i" to make it a plural. Only words such as "radius" that
already have one "i" would have a double-i plural like "radii".

However, the OED doesn't recognize "viri" as the plural of virus anyway, so
it's generally better to use "viruses".
 
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"Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:cCQNd.151494$K7.10405@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Miriam Webster Online
>
> Main Entry: vi·rus
> Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Latin, venom, poisonous emanation; akin to Greek ios poison,
> Sanskrit visa; in senses 2 & 4, from New Latin, from Latin
> 1 archaic : VENOM 1
> 2 a : the causative agent of an infectious disease b : any of a large
> group
> of submicroscopic infective agents that are regarded either as extremely
> simple microorganisms or as extremely complex molecules, that typically
> contain a protein coat surrounding an RNA or DNA core of genetic material
> but no semipermeable membrane, that are capable of growth and
> multiplication
> only in living cells, and that cause various important diseases in humans,
> lower animals, or plants; also : FILTERABLE VIRUS c : a disease caused by
> a
> virus
> 3 : something that poisons the mind or soul <the force of this virus of
> prejudice -- V. S. Waters>
> 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly innocuous
> program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other
> programs
> and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data)
>
>
> If it's latin the plural has to be virii - only the English use the same
> word for one and many of something - sheep.
>
Not all latin "us" words pluralize to "i". For example, "genus" becomes
"genera".
Plus, by making it "virii", you're adding an extra "i" - "viri" would be
more likely to be proper. Only words like "radius" that already have an "i"
before the "us" become double-i plurals:

radi-us --> radi-i = radii
vir-us --> vir-i = viri

Using virii as the plural implies that the singular would be "virius".

However, there is no such word as "viri" or "virii". The Oxford English
Dictionary, gives "viruses" as the plural. The OED is THE definitive
dictionary. Sorry, but Merriam-Webster (not Miriam Webster) is nowhere near
as authoritative as the OED. Besides, it doesn't matter what the dictionary
says the history of a word it - but what it says the current usage is. You
didn't specify what Merriam-Webster says the proper form of the plural is
(if they say at all).
 
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"Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:G2XNd.152075$K7.104994@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Reply to him that, technically, a BIOS is firmware.
>
> ;')

I will! I will!!!

As you can see. I am up and running and fully Radeoned up to my eyeballs.
How? Latest BIOS download, and, thanks to your boss' suggestion, Radeon
download, and no problems at all when you have a second computer and a
broadband connection.

Tested last night with Sims, and everything hunky-dory. Though... at the
start i was disturbed by the game 'feeling' slower than before.
Of course it was! This time I had all the graphics setting turned up to
highest quality. Altered setting to my liking and oh, the picture is
nice... Understatement.
I had no idea that pale moderinsh sofa had a pattern on it before. 8( I
thought it was leather 8(((

MojoWorld more difficult to assess. Complicated and texture-hungry fractal
mountains and colours diabolically slow before, so a difference in slowness
isn't really obvious. Though preview pane updates and beautiful in the blink
of an eye.
Will have to do the test-render, thingy. Took me about 25 mins on my Win98
computer. 9 mins with the Nvidia card.

>
> I don't know about you Granny, but anyone who's answer to your original
> problem was to straight away format the HD isn't going to win any MENSA
> awards in my book. The formatting of a HD is something you do when you
admit
> to yourself that the problem is beyond your solving. I know people who
> format HD's in response to virus (see I took your advice) infections
because
> they are too cheap or lazy to get the proper software to protect their
> machines. I have only once had to format a system due to the problem being
> beyond me, and that was when networking WinXP with Win98 played havoc with
> the 98 OS
>
> MM

Yes, this might be a old habit I can now drop since getting XP. I certainly
didn't reformat to solve a minor problem but I did reformat on a regular
basis in the past. This was after reading a post, or web reply by an unnamed
Microsaft worker who said thanks to windows (pre XP) a yearly reformat was
very advisable. Being as I have a tidyish mind, but not body, I approved.
DOS was my friend. 8) And Fdisk my sleeping partner. Even though i probably
won't need to do this any more I was very relieved to find FreeDOS on my
mboard boot disk. Nice to know it is there - just in case.

Baw, this Times font is tiny. Must change.

As for people who use reformat as a virus check.. Blimey!!!!
I have just spent last hour or so feeding in the firewalls and the
adblockers, the virus checkit, and smack, the adaware watcher, the ..
something else.. and then updates for them all, so make coffee, sit back and
stare out the window at grey clouds and damp looking roofs.

One thing might amuse you, or not, if you deal with the howling public every
day and know how dim we can be.
I install peripherals one at a time. First thing this morning it was time
for the modem. Very important. Remember I have done this three dyas ago and
two days ago and the same thing happened each time. I am dim.
Modem into USB port. 'Found new Hardware! Please tell me what to do!'
I did. I told it to install the modem and waved the CD about. It didn;t like
it. It hated the CD. I told it again... and again... and agai... No,
wait.....
Veronica, what is that little toggle-connector thing halfway down your USB
cable... You know, the thing between the computer and the modem? The thing
you completely ignore?

It's the Serial/USB interface. 8(( Install. Happy computer. Look, it has
found a modem! Install. Happy computer. Blushing Granny.

I am contantly surprised that I don;t get up one morning and find the
computer has pulled out its cables overnight and gone off to find a more
intelligent owner.

Granny Crabapple
 
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I swear mine sometimes develops an error just to go and visit David. There's
been at least two occasions when I've taken it to see him and nothing has
been wrong when I got there!

MM



"Granny Crabapple" <marrowjam@[reallywild]blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2mlOd.10503$8B3.4553@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:G2XNd.152075$K7.104994@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Reply to him that, technically, a BIOS is firmware.
> >
> > ;')
>
> I will! I will!!!
>
> As you can see. I am up and running and fully Radeoned up to my eyeballs.
> How? Latest BIOS download, and, thanks to your boss' suggestion, Radeon
> download, and no problems at all when you have a second computer and a
> broadband connection.
>
> Tested last night with Sims, and everything hunky-dory. Though... at the
> start i was disturbed by the game 'feeling' slower than before.
> Of course it was! This time I had all the graphics setting turned up to
> highest quality. Altered setting to my liking and oh, the picture is
> nice... Understatement.
> I had no idea that pale moderinsh sofa had a pattern on it before. 8( I
> thought it was leather 8(((
>
> MojoWorld more difficult to assess. Complicated and texture-hungry fractal
> mountains and colours diabolically slow before, so a difference in
slowness
> isn't really obvious. Though preview pane updates and beautiful in the
blink
> of an eye.
> Will have to do the test-render, thingy. Took me about 25 mins on my Win98
> computer. 9 mins with the Nvidia card.
>
> >
> > I don't know about you Granny, but anyone who's answer to your original
> > problem was to straight away format the HD isn't going to win any MENSA
> > awards in my book. The formatting of a HD is something you do when you
> admit
> > to yourself that the problem is beyond your solving. I know people who
> > format HD's in response to virus (see I took your advice) infections
> because
> > they are too cheap or lazy to get the proper software to protect their
> > machines. I have only once had to format a system due to the problem
being
> > beyond me, and that was when networking WinXP with Win98 played havoc
with
> > the 98 OS
> >
> > MM
>
> Yes, this might be a old habit I can now drop since getting XP. I
certainly
> didn't reformat to solve a minor problem but I did reformat on a regular
> basis in the past. This was after reading a post, or web reply by an
unnamed
> Microsaft worker who said thanks to windows (pre XP) a yearly reformat was
> very advisable. Being as I have a tidyish mind, but not body, I approved.
> DOS was my friend. 8) And Fdisk my sleeping partner. Even though i
probably
> won't need to do this any more I was very relieved to find FreeDOS on my
> mboard boot disk. Nice to know it is there - just in case.
>
> Baw, this Times font is tiny. Must change.
>
> As for people who use reformat as a virus check.. Blimey!!!!
> I have just spent last hour or so feeding in the firewalls and the
> adblockers, the virus checkit, and smack, the adaware watcher, the ..
> something else.. and then updates for them all, so make coffee, sit back
and
> stare out the window at grey clouds and damp looking roofs.
>
> One thing might amuse you, or not, if you deal with the howling public
every
> day and know how dim we can be.
> I install peripherals one at a time. First thing this morning it was time
> for the modem. Very important. Remember I have done this three dyas ago
and
> two days ago and the same thing happened each time. I am dim.
> Modem into USB port. 'Found new Hardware! Please tell me what to do!'
> I did. I told it to install the modem and waved the CD about. It didn;t
like
> it. It hated the CD. I told it again... and again... and agai... No,
> wait.....
> Veronica, what is that little toggle-connector thing halfway down your USB
> cable... You know, the thing between the computer and the modem? The thing
> you completely ignore?
>
> It's the Serial/USB interface. 8(( Install. Happy computer. Look, it has
> found a modem! Install. Happy computer. Blushing Granny.
>
> I am contantly surprised that I don;t get up one morning and find the
> computer has pulled out its cables overnight and gone off to find a more
> intelligent owner.
>
> Granny Crabapple
>
>
 
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"Madame Mim" <mad.mim@S.P.A.M.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:0wlOd.153774$K7.71653@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I swear mine sometimes develops an error just to go and visit David.
There's
> been at least two occasions when I've taken it to see him and nothing has
> been wrong when I got there!

Ahhh, yes. I had a RISC PC that did that. A pest because the nearest
sort-out shop is the other side of Brum. We would haul the beast all the way
over there and tell my tale of woe and.. It worked perfectly.
I bring it back, switch on. Crash.
We changed cables, wall power points, tried all sorts. Never did dig up the
road outside though. In the end one day it just started behaving. Never did
work out what was wrong. They all blamed me.

So that's what was causing it, eh? It was lonely for another RISC computer?
I am 'sure' washing machine and TV manufacturers put a special widget inside
that causes the machine to fail a week after the warranty runs out; perhaps
the people who mooch about inside our computer cases feed in a little bit of
code?

Granny - I say, the Sims screen isn't half dark.... 8(
I am loathe to keep boosting up desktop brightness but I have done that for
the moment. But once I set my Adobe gamma thing, I think I might be in
trouble.

I am still finding more and more textures on things I thought were one
colour. Latest was the rather nice plain cream bed covers I favoured. The
counterpane has an embossed design on it now. Booo!

Granny.
>
 
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