Deciding between 2 coolers

[Rizing]

This is the mobo I currently have.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAGY084

Right now I am deciding between this

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-RR-212E-20PK-R2-120mm/dp/B005O65JXI
and this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZTRWPJ8

I have 2 corsair sticks in the ram slot furthest from the CPU.
I have a GTX 760 in the sole PCIE x16 slot directly below the CPU.
I am in the middle of an RMA for a GTX 970 4GB w/ACX 2.0 tech.

I have no idea if there is enough room left for either coolers after all the components I installed.
If there is room enough for both, which is better? Both have astonishingly good reviews. Both would use
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0087X728K/
as the new thermal paste.

the CPU I have is the i7 7700. It idles around 32 C usually and goes up as high as 64 C while idle on the stock cooler. I strongly suspect that it goes up significantly higher while gaming/video editing which is 1/2 the factor contributing to this bottle necking I'm still suffering. Currently have 5 fans. 2 intake and 3 exhaust which don't seem to be doing that much.

I am willing to absorb the 3X cost of the water cooler if it performs a lot better than the air cooler.

 

[USAFRet]

Neither of those.
1. The CoolerMaster 212 was good several years ago. It has been surpassed.

2. The 120mm liquid coolers are no better, and often worse, than a good air cooler. But they cost more and are louder.

Cryorig H7
https://www.amazon.com/CRYORIG-Tower-Cooler-Intel-CPUs/dp/B00S7YA5FQ

or Cryorig H5 Universal
https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Universal-CR-H5A-Tower-Heatsink/dp/B00MBTOY2S


And no need for extra thermal paste for any of those. The default stuff they come with is just fine.

 

[Rizing]

By any chance, can you explain the difference between the two?

Also, one seems to be a later series but cheaper? If H5/H7 mean anything.

 

[USAFRet]

By any chance, can you explain the difference between the two?

Also, one seems to be a later series but cheaper? If H5/H7 mean anything.

The H5 Universal is a little bigger - better cooling.
Either will work just fine.


But you should change this:
"I have 2 corsair sticks in the ram slot furthest from the CPU."

You want the 2 RAM sticks in the same color slots.

 

[BigBoomBoom]

Something sounds wrong, even a stock cooler should not go as high as 64C on idle. Make sure you install the cooler correctly, there is no need for a new cooler as it's adequate for any task you throw at it. Your i7 can't overclock, unless you worry about noise there's not much reason to get a new cooler.

 

[Rizing]

By any chance, can you explain the difference between the two?

Also, one seems to be a later series but cheaper? If H5/H7 mean anything.

The H5 Universal is a little bigger - better cooling.
Either will work just fine.


But you should change this:
"I have 2 corsair sticks in the ram slot furthest from the CPU."

You want the 2 RAM sticks in the same color slots.

That's correct. However, the slots on the mobo go A1 A2 B1 B2 according to my mobo manual and the mobo didn't recognize 1 of the sticks until I put them in the same corresponding letter, which happens to be different colors as you can see.

I might also add 2 extra 8GB ram sticks later on to avoid issues like these and to solve a paging issue I'm currently dealing with.

 

[Rizing]

Something sounds wrong, even a stock cooler should not go as high as 64C on idle. Make sure you install the cooler correctly, there is no need for a new cooler as it's adequate for any task you throw at it. Your i7 can't overclock, unless you worry about noise there's not much reason to get a new cooler.

Actually, you're absolutely correct. The initial thermal paste was widely spread out in a giant hexagonal shape on the stock cooler. I mentioned that in another post a few weeks back and was informed that that was perfectly ok because intel would not pre-apply thermal paste so idiotically. There were 3 strips with each being at least 1 inch wide and at least 1 inch of space in between the 3 strips. I am planning on applying enough thermal paste so that it covers just the cpu and nothing else.

Also, using HWMonitor, I can confirm that max temp recorded was 91C while running NBA 2k17 which I assume is NOT normall and that there is some kind of downclocking feature built in?

 

[BigBoomBoom]

Clean the used paste, and reapply using pea method (or whatever method). As long as you do it correctly it should automatically fix your issue and you don't need a new cooler. Even buying a cheap thermal paste like Coolermaster Value V1 would work, any paste should be fine.

 

[Rizing]

Clean the used paste, and reapply using pea method (or whatever method). As long as you do it correctly it should automatically fix your issue and you don't need a new cooler. Even buying a cheap thermal paste like Coolermaster Value V1 would work, any paste should be fine.

I've done countless research and it seems most of the data points to aftermarket coolers producing better results (by like 5-10C) compared to stock coolers. What I mean by "data" is actual consumers who record temp ranges before and after.

 

[Rizing]

Also, is it possible to install the Cryorig without moving the motherboard? Installing the I/O board was hell... It would also be chaos having to deal with all the wires and components.. The back mounting plate seems... no?

Granted.. probably best to do that kind of stuff as the first part to install on the mobo...

 

[BigBoomBoom]

Most of the aftermarket cooler can be installed without removing the motherboard, provided your case allows access to the back of the motherboard which most modern case would. Yes, aftermarket cooler will be better but do you need it? Your CPU won't run faster as it can't be overclocked, and your temp issue is not because of the cooler.

 

[Rizing]

Most of the aftermarket cooler can be installed without removing the motherboard, provided your case allows access to the back of the motherboard which most modern case would. Yes, aftermarket cooler will be better but do you need it? Your CPU won't run faster as it can't be overclocked, and your temp issue is not because of the cooler.

Well, I'm talking about temps because I think my fps in games is being affected by thermal throttling? I'm having issues with 2 games I never had an issue with before on my i7 920 and GTX 760. I'm still having issues with the 760 in place of the 970 but the i7 7700 is new. If there is some kind of downclocking to prevent these components from over heating (which I read they produce a lot more heat), I would like to reduce these load temps in any way possible.

I am RMAing the 970 because the fans didn't kick it past 60C (which is when they are supposed to kick in) and the stock cooler I applied (probably incorrectly?) does not seem to be doing the trick.

I am hoping these lag issues will fix once I get the new 970, I never experienced lag like I am now on the 760, but if high cpu temps also affect me, I want to be absolutely sure.

 

[BigBoomBoom]

Yes, you have thermal throttle atm because there is something wrong with the way the stock cooler is installed. If you fix that by reseating and properly applying thermal paste, there should be no thermal throttle. I've already said it, unless noise is a problem for you, you don't need an aftermarket cooler.

 

[Rizing]

Something sounds wrong, even a stock cooler should not go as high as 64C on idle. Make sure you install the cooler correctly, there is no need for a new cooler as it's adequate for any task you throw at it. Your i7 can't overclock, unless you worry about noise there's not much reason to get a new cooler.

By the way, I don't know if this helps, but I just remembered that the 64 C were 1-2 second spikes according to graphs on msi afterburner. I googled safe temps for the i7 7700 earlier and I read an article from kotaku where intel states that doing things like opening a program, opening a new web page, etc. will randomly spike 20-30 C for a moment and that is normal.

However, the 90 C on max load is a different story and hopefully re-seating the cooler will help.