Decision With Buying a system?

[Guest]

Which one would you pick?

1) Intel Xeon E3 1230V3, Asus H97 Pro Gamer, Sapphire R9 390 Nitro 8GB (*Audio Chip better that the gigabyte's one)

2) Intel Core i5 4670k, Gigabyte Z87 HD3, Msi GTX 970 TF 4G/Sapphire R9 390 Nitro 8GB(Switchable) (*audio chip ALC 892)

3) Intel Core i7 4790k, Corsair h60, ASUS Z97-A, Sapphire R9 270X Toxic 2GB.

Other components are almost identical. Thanks Budget is very very strict.

Thanks

 

[getochkn]

What is the purpose of this system? A 970/390 system is going to crush a poor 270x. These 3 configs are all over the place, so what are you trying to do. a 270x is like $150 and the 970 is like $500. Big difference.

 

[Nextg_Rival]

I would personally go with option number one as it is the best all-around system (multi and hyper threading for editing, sufficient power for gaming and streaming and the graphics card is a killer). However, to make a better decision please state the purpose of your system and the budget, as well as if cost-efficiency matters to you or not. Thanks.

 

[Reyaz123]

1.Xeon is really good, but I don't think you can overclock it, very good gaming pc your best choice in this list if you cannot overclock

2.Overclockable, i5 processor, many gamers also get good value from that processor. If you understand overclocking, this would be a better choice than #1 based on the cost, budget and value

3.i7 processor is used for virtualizing pcs, gaming, video editing and rendering. Also overclockable. If you do all of these tasks, it would be your best choice

4.All of these options have a top notch graphics card

 

[Guest]

Hi

The rest of the spec are,

1080p Monitor, 8GB 1600 RAM, 550W PSU, 1TB Hard drive.

I use this mainly for gaming and youtube video editing.

 

[Reyaz123]

I assume you meant that all 3 of those pcs have those specs too?

Go with the one that has the i5 processor if it costs less (which is #2). Well worth the money

 

[Nextg_Rival]

Get the Xeon then. It's got multi and hyper threading for the editing, as well as a killer GPU for gaming.

 

[Reyaz123]

Comparison here
http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/xeon-vs-i7i5-whats-difference/

 

[getochkn]

I want to know how #2 has switchable 970/390 graphics.

 

[Guest]

Get the Xeon then. It's got multi and hyper threading for the editing, as well as a killer GPU for gaming.

Hi since You have been helping me earilier I would discuss this with You. Thanks others btw.

Do you believe I should choose xeon over the i5 4670k. Fps wise would that be effective? Btw I have heard that z87 is pretty much dead now?

 

[Guest]

I want to know how #2 has switchable 970/390 graphics.

Since the r9 390 and gtx 970 has identical prices.

 

[Nextg_Rival]

Comparison here
http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/xeon-vs-i7i5-whats-difference/

The first two points are kinda false IMHO. A Xeon is basically an i7 without the overclocking and onboard graphics, none of which are really necessary for gaming. Because you don't need a cooler either they can come off cheaper than the i7s for the same performance.

 

[Guest]

I assume you meant that all 3 of those pcs have those specs too?

Go with the one that has the i5 processor if it costs less (which is #2). Well worth the money

Why not the xeon?

 

[Reyaz123]

I personally think and are assuming that yes, you are doing video rendering. But you probably are rendering videos once in a while, and are more driven towards gaming (you can overclock) and want lower cost, that's why I say go for the i5.

Just my opinion though

 

[Nextg_Rival]

Get the Xeon then. It's got multi and hyper threading for the editing, as well as a killer GPU for gaming.

Hi since You have been helping me earilier I would discuss this with You. Thanks others btw.

Do you believe I should choose xeon over the i5 4670k. Fps wise would that be effective? Btw I have heard that z87 is pretty much dead now?

Well, that depends. The i5 4670K appears to be slightly cheaper than the Xeon, but they will perform perfectly equally in games. On the other hand, the Xeon will allow you to more easily stream while playing games, for example. It will also be superior in video editing as it has more threads. The question is, do you do a lot of video editing? If that's the case, definitely go for the Xeon. If you only do very little video editing, then the i5 4670K is just as good a choice. In short, the Xeon and i5 will be equal in games, but the Xeon will beat the i5 at video editing while the i5 will be slightly cheaper.

 

[Reyaz123]

In other words, Xeon is a cheaper i7 with the features listed in Nextg_rival's post

 

[Guest]

Get the Xeon then. It's got multi and hyper threading for the editing, as well as a killer GPU for gaming.

Hi since You have been helping me earilier I would discuss this with You. Thanks others btw.

Do you believe I should choose xeon over the i5 4670k. Fps wise would that be effective? Btw I have heard that z87 is pretty much dead now?

Well, that depends. The i5 4670K appears to be slightly cheaper than the Xeon, but they will perform perfectly equally in games. On the other hand, the Xeon will allow you to more easily stream while playing games, for example. It will also be superior in video editing as it has more threads. The question is, do you do a lot of video editing? If that's the case, definitely go for the Xeon. If you only do very little video editing, then the i5 4670K is just as good a choice. In short, the Xeon and i5 will be equal in games, but the Xeon will beat the i5 at video editing while the i5 will be slightly cheaper.

In where I live 4670k is more expensive. The xeon is the e3 1230 v3 not the DC chip.

 

[Reyaz123]

4670K is more expensive in your country/city? Go for the Xeon then.

 

[Guest]

4670K is more expensive in your country/city? Go for the Xeon then.

Would you think that higher clock is 4670k help in anything. The xeon has only 3.3 ghz. Is that much of a big deal?

 

[Reyaz123]

This is also my opinion here:

More gaming, less rendering, identical price to the xeon= Go for i5

Identical price to the i5, more rendering, more features, no OC = Go for the Xeon

Can be a buffed Xeon, slight performance boost with OC = Go for i7

And no, not much of a big deal but you may be able to play a slightly better range of games with the i7 but OC can lower the "lifespan" of the processor

 

[Guest]

Get the Xeon then. It's got multi and hyper threading for the editing, as well as a killer GPU for gaming.

Hi since You have been helping me earilier I would discuss this with You. Thanks others btw.

Do you believe I should choose xeon over the i5 4670k. Fps wise would that be effective? Btw I have heard that z87 is pretty much dead now?

Well, that depends. The i5 4670K appears to be slightly cheaper than the Xeon, but they will perform perfectly equally in games. On the other hand, the Xeon will allow you to more easily stream while playing games, for example. It will also be superior in video editing as it has more threads. The question is, do you do a lot of video editing? If that's the case, definitely go for the Xeon. If you only do very little video editing, then the i5 4670K is just as good a choice. In short, the Xeon and i5 will be equal in games, but the Xeon will beat the i5 at video editing while the i5 will be slightly cheaper.

Hi i5 4670k is more expensive here. Would you believe xeon is good for everything? Any disadvantages with the xeons less core clock 3.3Ghz?

 

[Nextg_Rival]

0.4 GHz difference is basically nothing, especially when we are talking about speeds over 3.3 GHz. There's much more to a good processor than clock speed. If the Xeon is cheaper than the i5, then certainly get the Xeon. They are basically equal in gaming, but the Xeon can do some extra stuff.

 

[Guest]

0.4 GHz difference is basically nothing, especially when we are talking about speeds over 3.3 GHz. There's much more to a good processor than clock speed. If the Xeon is cheaper than the i5, then certainly get the Xeon. They are basically equal in gaming, but the Xeon can do some extra stuff.

Hi you are saying that xeon= i5+some stuff. But Some benchmarks on the internet it says 4670k is better. I don't remember what test was that? Any comment on that?

Btw I believe, H97 would be better that z87 featurewise right? but support for 1600mem which doesn't really matter.

 

[Nextg_Rival]

"Some benchmarks" is very, very vague. I will need some clarification on what exactly you want to compare. All I can say right now is that some i5s like the 4670K can be overclocked, which is the only thing Xeons can't do, however overclocking is generally useless for gaming as any modern-day CPU will do pretty well and won't even reach its normally clocked limits. That aside overclocking can significantly shorten CPU lifespan and if it's done wrong can outright fry the CPU. The Xeon also has 2 MB more L3 cache, which can be either good or bad depending on the situation - the cache temporarily stores data that is repeatedly accessed, so if you have a lot of that repeatedly accessed data, the Xeon will access it much faster instead of having to look in the RAM for it, however if that repeatedly used data is very little, the bigger cache means that the Xeon might or might not need some extra time (an extremely small number) to find the data it's looking for in the cache, since it's bigger and there's more room to search for it. Those are the only differences I could find between the two processors besides the extra threads for the Xeon, the lack of onboard graphics (which you do not need) and the small clock speed bonus of the i5. All this taken into consideration I believe that the Xeon is a significantly better choice because it is basically a high performance i7 that can't be overclocked while costing less.

Regarding motherboards, that's not generally a field I know too much about, but I know that Z87s are slightly older overclocking motherboards, while H97 boards aren't really meant to be overclocked. Since the Xeon isn't an overclockable chip, the H97 sounds like a better and more economic option. A good thing to note is that there are plenty of difference from model to model and I think that Z87s offer SLI/CrossFire support while H97s don't really offer that (I believe? ). I would go with the Xeon and the H97 if I were you. What specific H97 model are you considering?

 

[Guest]

"Some benchmarks" is very, very vague. I will need some clarification on what exactly you want to compare. All I can say right now is that some i5s like the 4670K can be overclocked, which is the only thing Xeons can't do, however overclocking is generally useless for gaming as any modern-day CPU will do pretty well and won't even reach its normally clocked limits. That aside overclocking can significantly shorten CPU lifespan and if it's done wrong can outright fry the CPU. The Xeon also has 2 MB more L3 cache, which can be either good or bad depending on the situation - the cache temporarily stores data that is repeatedly accessed, so if you have a lot of that repeatedly accessed data, the Xeon will access it much faster instead of having to look in the RAM for it, however if that repeatedly used data is very little, the bigger cache means that the Xeon might or might not need some extra time (an extremely small number) to find the data it's looking for in the cache, since it's bigger and there's more room to search for it. Those are the only differences I could find between the two processors besides the extra threads for the Xeon, the lack of onboard graphics (which you do not need) and the small clock speed bonus of the i5. All this taken into consideration I believe that the Xeon is a significantly better choice because it is basically a high performance i7 that can't be overclocked while costing less.

Regarding motherboards, that's not generally a field I know too much about, but I know that Z87s are slightly older overclocking motherboards, while H97 boards aren't really meant to be overclocked. Since the Xeon isn't an overclockable chip, the H97 sounds like a better and more economic option. A good thing to note is that there are plenty of difference from model to model and I think that Z87s offer SLI/CrossFire support while H97s don't really offer that (I believe? ). I would go with the Xeon and the H97 if I were you. What specific H97 model are you considering?

Asus H97 Pro gamer. It's not good for crossfire though.