News Defective RTX 5080 takes up to 11% performance hit in gaming — Larger impact at higher resolutions

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Testing by Gamers Nexus reveals that RTX 5080s with missing ROPs can lose up to 11% performance in games.

Defective RTX 5080 takes up to 11% performance hit in gaming — Larger impact at higher resolutions : Read more

 

[jeremyj_83]

Since this seems to have happened across all released RTX 5000 cards, I don't think this is some "mistake" by nVidia. I think they knew that these were defective and figured no one would recognize the slightly lower performance. Basically they didn't want to bin an almost perfectly good 5090 as a 5080 and decided to roll the dice that people wouldn't notice.

 

[Gururu]

I can only imagine how many other chips from nVidia are affected by similarly covered up anomalies. I doubt this is nVidia's direct fault but something at TSMC QA.

 

[ezst036]

Since this seems to have happened across all released RTX 5000 cards, I don't think this is some "mistake" by nVidia. I think they knew that these were defective and figured no one would recognize the slightly lower performance. Basically they didn't want to bin an almost perfectly good 5090 as a 5080 and decided to roll the dice that people wouldn't notice.

That's because Nvidia isn't a gaming company anymore.

Nvidia is an AI company whose cards are also, conveniently enough as an aside, really good for gaming. Nvidia 10+ years ago would not have put such carelessness to its gaming line. Guarantee they aren't doing this for their accelerators.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Sounds like nvidia should be doing some refunds. At the very least rma. Could you imagine paying 1k+ for a card fyi to realize that your card performed like a card a step down?

 

[Heat_Fan89]

All I can say is that Jensen better not lose his rock-star status because this is going to catch up with Nvidia in a really bad way.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Sounds like nvidia should be doing some refunds. At the very least rma. Could you imagine paying 1k+ for a card fyi to realize that your card performed like a card a step down?

Imagine paying $6K for an Alienware with an Ultra9 and that happened to the CPU as well because of crappy cooling. 🤔

 

[Mindstab Thrull]

Am I the only one who started reading that article in Steve's voice?

Thanks, Steve.

 

[Giroro]

"Nvidia confirmed* that only 0.5% of produced RTX 5090s and RTX 5070 Tis had been affected"

*CLAIMED

Come on guys, don't just take the word of a company's marketing spin team at face value. Nothing is confirmed until it's independently verified. Be journalists.

And worth pointing out again, either Nvidia detected and counted every single bad card they deliberately choose to send out, or they were not detecting the flaws and have absolutely no idea how many they sent out.
But the odds of them being able to know the faulty hardware was "pretty close" without knowing exactly what it was is essentially zero.
More likely they made a design change after they started shipping chips, and did not bother recalling the early units.
But Nvidia is an AI company and a crypto mining company second. They don't want gamers as customers, and they haven't pretended to care in like 6 years.

 

[Pierce2623]

That's because Nvidia isn't a gaming company anymore.

Nvidia is an AI company whose cards are also, conveniently enough as an aside, really good for gaming. Nvidia 10+ years ago would not have put such carelessness to its gaming line. Guarantee they aren't doing this for their accelerators.

The cards are good for AI because that’s what Nvidia pushed for. A totally gaming focused GPU wouldn’t have tensor cores taking up near the die space they do. DLSS upscaling could do the AI on the shaders or like 15-20% the current number of Tensor cores. Frame gen is worthless garbage.

 

[YSCCC]

This is getting better every day...

 

[thekingofALLmonkz]

Am I the only one who started reading that article in Steve's voice?

Thanks, Steve.

We finally have some reputable data
*flips hair*
about the expected performance penalty for Nvidia's defective RTX 50 series GPUs
*sighs*

 

[Shiznizzle]

"Nvidia confirmed* that only 0.5% of produced RTX 5090s and RTX 5070 Tis had been affected"

*CLAIMED

Come on guys, don't just take the word of a company's marketing spin team at face value. Nothing is confirmed until it's independently verified. Be journalists.

And worth pointing out again, either Nvidia detected and counted every single bad card they deliberately choose to send out, or they were not detecting the flaws and have absolutely no idea how many they sent out.
But the odds of them being able to know the faulty hardware was "pretty close" without knowing exactly what it was is essentially zero.
More likely they made a design change after they started shipping chips, and did not bother recalling the early units.
But Nvidia is an AI company and a crypto mining company second. They don't want gamers as customers, and they haven't pretended to care in like 6 years.

They knew how many chips were defective. TSMC told them. They can only spin this. That is their only choice, short of admitting fault which they have done, after the fact. They did not disclose this on their own meaning they deliberately shafted consumers. On purpose.

If a friend did that to me they would not be my friend any more and people need to treat this company differently now.

Corporations lie. That is how they make money. Nothing shady about that statement. It is fact. They lie with their green credentials to what their products will do. Nvidia is no different.

 

[Gururu]

They knew how many chips were defective. TSMC told them. They can only spin this. That is their only choice, short of admitting fault which they have done, after the fact. They did not disclose this on their own meaning they deliberately shafted consumers. On purpose.

If a friend did that to me they would not be my friend any more and people need to treat this company differently now.

Corporations lie. That is how they make money. Nothing shady about that statement. It is fact. They lie with their green credentials to what their products will do. Nvidia is no different.

The media is really our voice when it comes to any sort of protest, and it is nice that there is a lot of coverage about this across the board. My only fear is that in 6 months time when all the cards are out, we are still going to see sites comparing everything to the 5090, which is clearly in a class of its own and now we know not possibly representative of all the 5090s out there.

 

[jeremyj_83]

The media is really our voice when it comes to any sort of protest

A better form of protest is with our money. If people stopped buying the nVidia cards that will have more impact than just the media.

 

[Heiro78]

I can only imagine how many other chips from nVidia are affected by similarly covered up anomalies. I doubt this is nVidia's direct fault but something at TSMC QA.

If TSMC QA is at fault, Nvidia will have a big claim to make. But my bias has it being Nvidia at fault. TSMC wouldn't want to have any payback due to defective product being sold as something they aren't. From what I've read of their fabs, they run a tight ship and make people pay incredible amounts with defects backed into the costs.

It's much more likely that Nvidia wanted to get as much "stock" out there and didn't believe it'd be caught so early or so badly like this. I don't neccessarily blame some low level employee or middle manager for making the decision. They were probably under tons of pressure to get product out and loosened some standards to allow the number of missing ROPs that was found out.

 

[oofdragon]

I bet money with anyone here you cannot tell a 9070 XT ($600) from a 5080 ($1200) side by side on a blind test. Native, dlss4 vs FSR, fake frames, ray gimmick, whatever you want. Im zero concerned about what Ngreed is doing because I can, and did, not buy their products in a long time now. Two rules to live in a better world: first make sure to be always up to date and well Informed about everything, second act accordingly. Be the change you want to see in the world, if you don't want companies like Ngreed doing this kind of thing don't buy from them and that's all.

 

[Heiro78]

"Nvidia confirmed* that only 0.5% of produced RTX 5090s and RTX 5070 Tis had been affected"

*CLAIMED

Come on guys, don't just take the word of a company's marketing spin team at face value. Nothing is confirmed until it's independently verified. Be journalists.

And worth pointing out again, either Nvidia detected and counted every single bad card they deliberately choose to send out, or they were not detecting the flaws and have absolutely no idea how many they sent out.
But the odds of them being able to know the faulty hardware was "pretty close" without knowing exactly what it was is essentially zero.
More likely they made a design change after they started shipping chips, and did not bother recalling the early units.
But Nvidia is an AI company and a crypto mining company second. They don't want gamers as customers, and they haven't pretended to care in like 6 years.

Agreed except for the part about them not pretending to care. They still do pretend and people believe it. I think you're being hyperbolic for emphasis

 

[Heiro78]

I bet money with anyone here you cannot tell a 9070 XT ($600) from a 5080 ($1200) side by side on a blind test. Native, dlss4 vs FSR, fake frames, ray gimmick, whatever you want. Im zero concerned about what Ngreed is doing because I can, and did, not buy their products in a long time now. Two rules to live in a better world: first make sure to be always up to date and well Informed about everything, second act accordingly. Be the change you want to see in the world, if you don't want companies like Ngreed doing this kind of thing don't buy from them and that's all.

That's a bold strategy. I hope it turns out to be true but seeing as AMD itself is stating the 9070 XT is -2% than the 5070ti and TPU has the 5080 as 11% faster than the 5070ti, it'll be a difficult ask.

Still, AMD must deliver good competition.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfFPI8LJrc&t=1396s

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GB203, 2452 MHz, 8960 Cores, 280 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR7, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

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