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I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.

Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
 
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When you start defrag, the XP system will perform an analysis and respond
that the drive selected does not need to be defragged. It will be months
before it will recommend a defrag.

I curious as to how your 98SE system needs to be defragged so often. Under
normal usage, once every two to three months would probably suffice.
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>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>
> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
>
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Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a fragmented
hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home edition ($20)
and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then goes into
action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the background and
I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There is a
free trial option.

Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a defragger
that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly needed.

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>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>
> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
>
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No need to, nor was there in Win98. The need to defrag depends on usage,
even a heavy gamer only needs an occasional defrag. A moderate user can
easily go 3 or more months without any noticable reduction in performance.

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>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>
> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
>
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In news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
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> I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.


That's *way* overkill.


> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not
> why
> not?


No. You shouldn't be doing it on either machine. The amount of
fragmentation you get in a single day is insignificant.

For almost everyone, defragging more often than once a month or
so is completely unnecessary and achieves nothing.
You should defragment your drive when doing so results in a speed
up. Here's what I recommend. Pick some arbitrary interval--for
example once a month. Defragment on that interval a few times,
and assess whether the computer generally feels faster after
doing so. If the answer is yes, defrag more frequently. If the
answer is no, defrag less frequently.

Repeat a few times, and you'll soon settle into a frequency that
works well for you.

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If_Its_Junk,
For just your Win98SE PC, you should be using a program called "Maintenance
Wizard" that will defrag/scandisk and disk cleanup your PC on a regular
schedule.

On the W98SE pc> START> Programs> Accessories> System Tools> Maintentence
Wizard> Choose settings> I personally use the default settings, but on the
scandisk tab, check the box to fix errors.

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> I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
 
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> If_Its_Junk,
> For just your Win98SE PC, you should be using a program called
"Maintenance
> Wizard" that will defrag/scandisk and disk cleanup your PC on a regular
> schedule.
>
> On the W98SE pc> START> Programs> Accessories> System Tools> Maintentence
> Wizard> Choose settings> I personally use the default settings, but on the
> scandisk tab, check the box to fix errors.
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> If_Its_Junk <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> typed:
>
> > I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>
>
>
>

I use ScanDefrag from Blueorbsoft because it restarts the system before it
runs all of its programs - is there an advantage to changing to using the
Maintenance Wizard?
 
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I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect Disk"
to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which MVP
Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both defragmenters
are very fine tools.

One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the disk prior
to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
personal preference at that time.

FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP will be
quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
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> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a fragmented
> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home edition
($20)
> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then goes
into
> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the background
and
> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There is a
> free trial option.
>
> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a defragger
> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
needed.
>
> --
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> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
> >
> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Executive Software recommends a defrag threshold of 2% to be on the safe
side. Diskeeper 9 introduced a new analysis screen which shows not just the
fragmentation map, but also an impact map. It shows the degree to which the
fragmentation present will degrade performance.

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"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
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>I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect Disk"
> to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which MVP
> Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both
> defragmenters
> are very fine tools.
>
> One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the disk
> prior
> to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
> personal preference at that time.
>
> FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
> experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
> degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP will
> be
> quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
> --
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> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
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> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OcfoKZwEFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a fragmented
>> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home edition
> ($20)
>> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then goes
> into
>> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the background
> and
>> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There is a
>> free trial option.
>>
>> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a defragger
>> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
> needed.
>>
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>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>> >
>> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 

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Agree. With XP, the very occasional defrag should only be used when
performance drops off.
The 'Set and Forget' feature can be a bit of a trap if set incorrectly.
e.g. - if you set it to run every day, the defrag really stresses the drive
mechanics, which naturally causes an earlier failure of the drive.


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> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
> fragmented hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9
> Home edition ($20) and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature.
> Diskeeper then goes into action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It
> works in the background and I have never detected a performance hit
> while it is running. There is a free trial option.
>
> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
> defragger that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when
> truly needed.
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> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>
>> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
 
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Set and Forget does not require a schedule. It runs upon detection of a
fragmentation threshold. It might not run for weeks and then run several
times in a single day if you do a lot of installations that day.

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"johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
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> Agree. With XP, the very occasional defrag should only be used when
> performance drops off.
> The 'Set and Forget' feature can be a bit of a trap if set incorrectly.
> e.g. - if you set it to run every day, the defrag really stresses the
> drive mechanics, which naturally causes an earlier failure of the drive.
>
>
> --
>
> johnf
>
>> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
>> fragmented hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9
>> Home edition ($20) and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature.
>> Diskeeper then goes into action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It
>> works in the background and I have never detected a performance hit
>> while it is running. There is a free trial option.
>>
>> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
>> defragger that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when
>> truly needed.
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>>
>>> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why not?
>
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You must be joking - or haven't done your homework very well.

'Set and Forget' can be consumer programmed to run whenever and how often
you want it to.

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> Set and Forget does not require a schedule. It runs upon detection of a
> fragmentation threshold. It might not run for weeks and then run
> several times in a single day if you do a lot of installations that day.
>
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> "johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
> news:OI2GMnwEFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Agree. With XP, the very occasional defrag should only be used when
>> performance drops off.
>> The 'Set and Forget' feature can be a bit of a trap if set incorrectly.
>> e.g. - if you set it to run every day, the defrag really stresses the
>> drive mechanics, which naturally causes an earlier failure of the
>> drive.
>>
>> --
>>
>> johnf
>>
>>> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
>>> fragmented hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9
>>> Home edition ($20) and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature.
>>> Diskeeper then goes into action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so.
>>> It works in the background and I have never detected a performance hit
>>> while it is running. There is a free trial option.
>>>
>>> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
>>> defragger that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs
>>> when truly needed.
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>>> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>>>
>>>> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
>>>> not?
 
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I'm not joking. The first option under Set and Forget, Set Smart Schedule,
enables the automated defrag-as-needed function. Yes, you can set specific
times, but it isn't necessary to.

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"johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
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> You must be joking - or haven't done your homework very well.
>
> 'Set and Forget' can be consumer programmed to run whenever and how often
> you want it to.
>
> --
>
> johnf
>
>> Set and Forget does not require a schedule. It runs upon detection of a
>> fragmentation threshold. It might not run for weeks and then run
>> several times in a single day if you do a lot of installations that day.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
>> news:OI2GMnwEFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Agree. With XP, the very occasional defrag should only be used when
>>> performance drops off.
>>> The 'Set and Forget' feature can be a bit of a trap if set incorrectly.
>>> e.g. - if you set it to run every day, the defrag really stresses the
>>> drive mechanics, which naturally causes an earlier failure of the
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> johnf
>>>
>>>> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
>>>> fragmented hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9
>>>> Home edition ($20) and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature.
>>>> Diskeeper then goes into action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so.
>>>> It works in the background and I have never detected a performance hit
>>>> while it is running. There is a free trial option.
>>>>
>>>> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
>>>> defragger that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs
>>>> when truly needed.
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
>>>>> not?
>
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Thank you, Colin. FWIW, I purchased two copies of Diskeeper 9 today.
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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Executive Software recommends a defrag threshold of 2% to be on the safe
> side. Diskeeper 9 introduced a new analysis screen which shows not just
the
> fragmentation map, but also an impact map. It shows the degree to which
the
> fragmentation present will degrade performance.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:OyX7Jz2EFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect
Disk"
> > to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which
MVP
> > Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both
> > defragmenters
> > are very fine tools.
> >
> > One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the disk
> > prior
> > to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
> > personal preference at that time.
> >
> > FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
> > experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
> > degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP
will
> > be
> > quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > ------
> > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:OcfoKZwEFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
fragmented
> >> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home edition
> > ($20)
> >> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then goes
> > into
> >> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the background
> > and
> >> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There is
a
> >> free trial option.
> >>
> >> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
defragger
> >> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
> > needed.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> >> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
> >> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
> >> >
> >> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
not?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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It is a sound buy. Hope you are satisfied with it. (Now if my commission
check makes it here before the first.... ;))

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"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
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> Thank you, Colin. FWIW, I purchased two copies of Diskeeper 9 today.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
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> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:O96Vsn3EFHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Executive Software recommends a defrag threshold of 2% to be on the safe
>> side. Diskeeper 9 introduced a new analysis screen which shows not just
> the
>> fragmentation map, but also an impact map. It shows the degree to which
> the
>> fragmentation present will degrade performance.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>> news:OyX7Jz2EFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect
> Disk"
>> > to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which
> MVP
>> > Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both
>> > defragmenters
>> > are very fine tools.
>> >
>> > One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the disk
>> > prior
>> > to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
>> > personal preference at that time.
>> >
>> > FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
>> > experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
>> > degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP
> will
>> > be
>> > quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
>> > --
>> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>> > ------
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:OcfoKZwEFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
> fragmented
>> >> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home edition
>> > ($20)
>> >> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then goes
>> > into
>> >> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the
>> >> background
>> > and
>> >> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There is
> a
>> >> free trial option.
>> >>
>> >> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
> defragger
>> >> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
>> > needed.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> >> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>> >> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
> not?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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Which is what I said.
Most programs have options & default settings.
Sure, if you install it and don't change anything, that's fine, but most
people are curious, go through the various options & choose the one they
'think' is right.
The words 'recommended setting' would obviate that problem.


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> I'm not joking. The first option under Set and Forget, Set Smart
> Schedule, enables the automated defrag-as-needed function. Yes, you
> can set specific times, but it isn't necessary to.
>
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> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
> news:%23JuVc8xEFHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> You must be joking - or haven't done your homework very well.
>>
>> 'Set and Forget' can be consumer programmed to run whenever and how
>> often you want it to.
>>
>> --
>>
>> johnf
>>
>>> Set and Forget does not require a schedule. It runs upon detection
>>> of a fragmentation threshold. It might not run for weeks and then run
>>> several times in a single day if you do a lot of installations that
>>> day.
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "johnf" <john_f@bigpond.net.a> wrote in message
>>> news:OI2GMnwEFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Agree. With XP, the very occasional defrag should only be used when
>>>> performance drops off.
>>>> The 'Set and Forget' feature can be a bit of a trap if set
>>>> incorrectly. e.g. - if you set it to run every day, the defrag
>>>> really stresses the drive mechanics, which naturally causes an
>>>> earlier failure of the drive.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> johnf
>>>>
>>>>> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
>>>>> fragmented hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9
>>>>> Home edition ($20) and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature.
>>>>> Diskeeper then goes into action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so.
>>>>> It works in the background and I have never detected a performance
>>>>> hit while it is running. There is a free trial option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
>>>>> defragger that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs
>>>>> when truly needed.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>>> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
>>>>>> not?
 
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You should run a boot defrag as soon as you get diskeeper 9 installed.
Here's how:
Open the program.
Click 'Change Your Settings'
Click 'Set a boot-time defragmentation'
Select the volume (drive) you want to run a boot time defrag on.
Select 'On Next Manual Reboot'
Check the following selection boxes:
'Put all folders together on the volume'
'Defragment the paging file'
'Defragment the Master File Table (MFT)'
You can also select the option 'Run the system "CHKDSK" utility before
defragmentation" if you have
a lot of time on your hands. If you select it, it will take approxamately 3
hours to run. All depending
on the size of the volume you are defragging.
Now, click ok, and the program will give you a few notifications that you
set the boot defrag, and will
also tell you to back up files. This isn't absolutely necessary. I didn't
and I have no problems, but I would
recommend backing up important documts, just in case.
Now, Reboot your coputer (I know you know how to do that!)
It will look like it is starting normally, then you will get a different
screen right before it would normally go
into windows. This will run the Checkdisk and defragger. After this
completes, is will automatically restart,
and look like it is running again, but it is checking to make sure your
volume is 'good to go'. Let is run, it will
only take 5 minutes. Then it will proceed to restart again, and Poof!
Faster performance.



"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:%23TU94W7EFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Thank you, Colin. FWIW, I purchased two copies of Diskeeper 9 today.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:O96Vsn3EFHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Executive Software recommends a defrag threshold of 2% to be on the safe
>> side. Diskeeper 9 introduced a new analysis screen which shows not just
> the
>> fragmentation map, but also an impact map. It shows the degree to which
> the
>> fragmentation present will degrade performance.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>> news:OyX7Jz2EFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect
> Disk"
>> > to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which
> MVP
>> > Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both
>> > defragmenters
>> > are very fine tools.
>> >
>> > One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the disk
>> > prior
>> > to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
>> > personal preference at that time.
>> >
>> > FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
>> > experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
>> > degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP
> will
>> > be
>> > quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
>> > --
>> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>> > ------
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:OcfoKZwEFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
> fragmented
>> >> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home edition
>> > ($20)
>> >> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then goes
>> > into
>> >> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the
>> >> background
>> > and
>> >> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There is
> a
>> >> free trial option.
>> >>
>> >> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
> defragger
>> >> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
>> > needed.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> >> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>> >> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> >> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
> not?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
 
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Only if he buys the Pro version. It is not available in the Home version.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Saavedro" <saavedro@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23rh$C6SFFHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> You should run a boot defrag as soon as you get diskeeper 9 installed.
> Here's how:
> Open the program.
> Click 'Change Your Settings'
> Click 'Set a boot-time defragmentation'
> Select the volume (drive) you want to run a boot time defrag on.
> Select 'On Next Manual Reboot'
> Check the following selection boxes:
> 'Put all folders together on the volume'
> 'Defragment the paging file'
> 'Defragment the Master File Table (MFT)'
> You can also select the option 'Run the system "CHKDSK" utility before
> defragmentation" if you have
> a lot of time on your hands. If you select it, it will take approxamately
> 3 hours to run. All depending
> on the size of the volume you are defragging.
> Now, click ok, and the program will give you a few notifications that you
> set the boot defrag, and will
> also tell you to back up files. This isn't absolutely necessary. I
> didn't and I have no problems, but I would
> recommend backing up important documts, just in case.
> Now, Reboot your coputer (I know you know how to do that!)
> It will look like it is starting normally, then you will get a different
> screen right before it would normally go
> into windows. This will run the Checkdisk and defragger. After this
> completes, is will automatically restart,
> and look like it is running again, but it is checking to make sure your
> volume is 'good to go'. Let is run, it will
> only take 5 minutes. Then it will proceed to restart again, and Poof!
> Faster performance.
>
>
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:%23TU94W7EFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Thank you, Colin. FWIW, I purchased two copies of Diskeeper 9 today.
>> --
>> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>> ------
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:O96Vsn3EFHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Executive Software recommends a defrag threshold of 2% to be on the safe
>>> side. Diskeeper 9 introduced a new analysis screen which shows not just
>> the
>>> fragmentation map, but also an impact map. It shows the degree to which
>> the
>>> fragmentation present will degrade performance.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OyX7Jz2EFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> >I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect
>> Disk"
>>> > to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which
>> MVP
>>> > Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both
>>> > defragmenters
>>> > are very fine tools.
>>> >
>>> > One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the disk
>>> > prior
>>> > to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
>>> > personal preference at that time.
>>> >
>>> > FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
>>> > experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
>>> > degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP
>> will
>>> > be
>>> > quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
>>> > --
>>> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>>> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>>> >
>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>>> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>>> > ------
>>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:OcfoKZwEFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> >> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
>> fragmented
>>> >> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home
>>> >> edition
>>> > ($20)
>>> >> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then
>>> >> goes
>>> > into
>>> >> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the
>>> >> background
>>> > and
>>> >> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There
>>> >> is
>> a
>>> >> free trial option.
>>> >>
>>> >> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
>> defragger
>>> >> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
>>> > needed.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> >> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> >> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
>> not?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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hmmmmmmm... yes you are right. So, definately invest in the pro version...
it's only a few bucks more.



"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23O5pXKTFFHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Only if he buys the Pro version. It is not available in the Home version.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Saavedro" <saavedro@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23rh$C6SFFHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> You should run a boot defrag as soon as you get diskeeper 9 installed.
>> Here's how:
>> Open the program.
>> Click 'Change Your Settings'
>> Click 'Set a boot-time defragmentation'
>> Select the volume (drive) you want to run a boot time defrag on.
>> Select 'On Next Manual Reboot'
>> Check the following selection boxes:
>> 'Put all folders together on the volume'
>> 'Defragment the paging file'
>> 'Defragment the Master File Table (MFT)'
>> You can also select the option 'Run the system "CHKDSK" utility before
>> defragmentation" if you have
>> a lot of time on your hands. If you select it, it will take
>> approxamately 3 hours to run. All depending
>> on the size of the volume you are defragging.
>> Now, click ok, and the program will give you a few notifications that you
>> set the boot defrag, and will
>> also tell you to back up files. This isn't absolutely necessary. I
>> didn't and I have no problems, but I would
>> recommend backing up important documts, just in case.
>> Now, Reboot your coputer (I know you know how to do that!)
>> It will look like it is starting normally, then you will get a different
>> screen right before it would normally go
>> into windows. This will run the Checkdisk and defragger. After this
>> completes, is will automatically restart,
>> and look like it is running again, but it is checking to make sure your
>> volume is 'good to go'. Let is run, it will
>> only take 5 minutes. Then it will proceed to restart again, and Poof!
>> Faster performance.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23TU94W7EFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Thank you, Colin. FWIW, I purchased two copies of Diskeeper 9 today.
>>> --
>>> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>>> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>>> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>>> ------
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O96Vsn3EFHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Executive Software recommends a defrag threshold of 2% to be on the
>>>> safe
>>>> side. Diskeeper 9 introduced a new analysis screen which shows not
>>>> just
>>> the
>>>> fragmentation map, but also an impact map. It shows the degree to
>>>> which
>>> the
>>>> fragmentation present will degrade performance.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OyX7Jz2EFHA.1084@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> >I concur with Colin, and while I personally prefer Raxco's "Perfect
>>> Disk"
>>>> > to Executive Software's "Diskeeper", for very technical reasons which
>>> MVP
>>>> > Alex Nichol, et.al., are better able to explain than me, both
>>>> > defragmenters
>>>> > are very fine tools.
>>>> >
>>>> > One should be mindful that both offer the option to "Analyze" the
>>>> > disk
>>>> > prior
>>>> > to defragging it. One can then choose to defrag, according to one's
>>>> > personal preference at that time.
>>>> >
>>>> > FWIW & IIRC, MVP Jim Eshelman has previously commented that in his
>>>> > experiments under Win 9X, esp. Win 98, he observed some performance
>>>> > degradation beginning when fragmentation reached 4-6%. I suspect XP
>>> will
>>>> > be
>>>> > quite different, ... under NTFS, at least.
>>>> > --
>>>> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>>>> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>>>> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>>>> > ------
>>>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:OcfoKZwEFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> >> Opinions are all over the place. The only agreement is that a
>>> fragmented
>>>> >> hard drive is a Bad Thing. Personally, I use Diskeeper 9 Home
>>>> >> edition
>>>> > ($20)
>>>> >> and take advantage of the Set and Forget feature. Diskeeper then
>>>> >> goes
>>>> > into
>>>> >> action when fragmentation reaches 2% or so. It works in the
>>>> >> background
>>>> > and
>>>> >> I have never detected a performance hit while it is running. There
>>>> >> is
>>> a
>>>> >> free trial option.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Other people like Perfect Disk. Whatever, but I do recommend a
>>> defragger
>>>> >> that doesn't have to run on a set schedule but only runs when truly
>>>> > needed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>>> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>>> >> "If_Its_Junk" <If_Its_Junk at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:%236V9NTvEFHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> >> >I do a defrag daily on my Win98SE machine.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Should I be doing the same on my new WinXP machine, and if not why
>>> not?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 

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