News Delidded Ryzen 7 9800X3Ds are now available for $599 with a two-year warranty

[Admin]

Thermal Grizzly sells delidded Ryzen 7 9800X3Ds with warranty coverage, starting at $599 without VAT and shipping.

Delidded Ryzen 7 9800X3Ds are now available for $599 with a two-year warranty : Read more

 

[Gururu]

His video on this was really interesting. Warranty seems a little risky for them with only a $100 price bump, but it seems like a great service.

 

[Thunder64]

I remember the days before heatspreaders.

 

[Notton]

If it's only a $100 premium, it seems well worth it.
That is assuming you know how to reinstall the heat spreader.

Way better than forking over extra to a scalper.

 

[Misgar]

After spending years working in Aerospace Industry labs with full ESD protection, I was disappointed to see what seems to be a total lack of "correct" handling procedures at 6 minutes into der8auer's video, when the CPUs are removed from the AMD cartons and placed in the de-lidders.

Similarly, I doubt if the heat protective gloves used after heating the CPUs to 170°C are ESD approved gloves.

Perhaps some of Tom's readers are similarly unconcerned about the risk of ESD damage when handling CPUs and RAM, but I for one will not be buying a de-lidded CPU. I'd rather do it myself and risk breaking it.

ESD damage is insidious and can appear months or years after the original static discharge, caused by poor handling technique. If your de-lidded CPU dies after the 2 year der8auer warranty expires, you're on your own.

Mind you, a dead 9800X3D is unlikely to be a life threatening event, unlike several critical aircraft control system failures at 33,000ft, so perhaps it doesn't matter if your gaming PC dies.🙁

 

[aberkae]

The 9800x3d is already a great cpu, my 9800x3d with msi tomahawk x870e and lianli GA 2 trinity 360 mm rad hovers below 50 degrees celcius during gaming. @ 5.425 ghz.

 

[drivinfast247]

After spending years working in Aerospace Industry labs with full ESD protection, I was disappointed to see what seems to be a total lack of "correct" handling procedures at 6 minutes into der8auer's video, when the CPUs are removed from the AMD cartons and placed in the de-lidders.

Similarly, I doubt if the heat protective gloves used after heating the CPUs to 170°C are ESD approved gloves.

Perhaps some of Tom's readers are similarly unconcerned about the risk of ESD damage when handling CPUs and RAM, but I for one will not be buying a de-lidded CPU. I'd rather do it myself and risk breaking it.

ESD damage is insidious and can appear months or years after the original static discharge, caused by poor handling technique. If your de-lidded CPU dies after the 2 year der8auer warranty expires, you're on your own.

Mind you, a dead 9800X3D is unlikely to be a life threatening event, unlike several critical aircraft control system failures at 33,000ft, so perhaps it doesn't matter if your gaming PC dies.🙁

And if you break your CPU while delidding, you have a trashed CPU that you never even got a chance to use.

 

[Amdlova]

Trying for years to get some hardware dead with esd. I just don't use any plastic cloth and aways have my feet on the ground.
My body always are discharged if miss something, I will be electrocuted =)

 

[GoldenGonchies]

It's such an easy to cool CPU already, I haven't managed to get a hot spot over 65C with even the toughest benchmark loads. Is the delidding meant for heavy overclocks or something?

FWIW this processor is fully instock at every online retailer in Canada and has been for weeks. Do they not ship to the US?

 

[Gururu]

After spending years working in Aerospace Industry labs with full ESD protection, I was disappointed to see what seems to be a total lack of "correct" handling procedures at 6 minutes into der8auer's video, when the CPUs are removed from the AMD cartons and placed in the de-lidders.

Similarly, I doubt if the heat protective gloves used after heating the CPUs to 170°C are ESD approved gloves.

Perhaps some of Tom's readers are similarly unconcerned about the risk of ESD damage when handling CPUs and RAM, but I for one will not be buying a de-lidded CPU. I'd rather do it myself and risk breaking it.

ESD damage is insidious and can appear months or years after the original static discharge, caused by poor handling technique. If your de-lidded CPU dies after the 2 year der8auer warranty expires, you're on your own.

Mind you, a dead 9800X3D is unlikely to be a life threatening event, unlike several critical aircraft control system failures at 33,000ft, so perhaps it doesn't matter if your gaming PC dies.🙁

Ruh-Roh, I hold my CPUs with bare hand too, so I guess he isn't doing anything different that I would do. They seem to be using Strong leather construction gloves also when taking the chips out of the oven. On both accounts, I agree its pretty sloppy.

 

[MergleBergle]

Question, is the 9800x3D still ultra-rare as mentioned in the title? One of the biggest retailers in Canada has had it constantly in stock for weeks now.

 

[Drez143]

Welcome to tariffs and the lack of interest of moving inventory across boarders….

 

[tony-w]

Question, is the 9800x3D still ultra-rare as mentioned in the title? One of the biggest retailers in Canada has had it constantly in stock for weeks now.

Plenty available in Australia as well although the price has risen since release

 

[Misgar]

And if you break your CPU while delidding, you have a trashed CPU that you never even got a chance to use.

Very true, but as I said in my original posting, it's a risk I'd be prepared to take. Admittedly, the risk of breaking a CPU during "cold" de-lidding may be significantly higher (10%?) than the risk of static damage due to mishandling in the der8auer labs, where they employ heat to release the IHS with minimal mechanical stress.

Nonetheless, CPU, GPU, RAM and mobo manufacturers supply their products in ESD packaging for a well proven reason. Static damage can kill components. It may only happen once every 10,000 times due to sloppy or cavalier handling, but that risk is still far too high if it means a satellite stops working or a plane crashes.

The multi billion dollar companies I've worked for spend millions equipping their labs with ESD protection. They fit special floor tiles, work bench surfaces, wrist straps, gloves, coats, shoes and hair protection. I would hope that Intel and AMD take similar precautions when manufacturing CPUs. What happens to them afterwards due to naive or blatant disregard for ESD, is out of their hands.

I suspect far more CPUs die due to faulty BIOS boost voltages or manual overvolting, but a few early deaths might be attributable to ESD damage. You'll never know unless someone checks the die under an electron microscope and that's not going to happen for a standard RMA.

Some people know about ESD damage and take precautions. Other people are blissfully ignorant. A third category are aware, but think "it'll never happen to me". They're probably right 99.9999% of the time, but there's always that 0.0001% chance they'll zap an expensive CPU from a blasé approach to ESD handling.

https://www.electronicdesign.com/te...eos-and-esd-failures-in-semiconductor-devices

The choice is yours.

 

[dev_cyberpunk]

Question, is the 9800x3D still ultra-rare as mentioned in the title? One of the biggest retailers in Canada has had it constantly in stock for weeks now.

What looks like to me, the OEMs and this de-lidder outfit scarfed up most of the first manufacturing lots, while others tout it being a rare shiny item and overprice it.

de-lidding is quite a dumb concept for not being able to set up cooling with the lid.

 

[drivinfast247]

Very true, but as I said in my original posting, it's a risk I'd be prepared to take. Admittedly, the risk of breaking a CPU during "cold" de-lidding may be significantly higher (10%?) than the risk of static damage due to mishandling in the der8auer labs, where they employ heat to release the IHS with minimal mechanical stress.

Nonetheless, CPU, GPU, RAM and mobo manufacturers supply their products in ESD packaging for a well proven reason. Static damage can kill components. It may only happen once every 10,000 times due to sloppy or cavalier handling, but that risk is still far too high if it means a satellite stops working or a plane crashes.

The multi billion dollar companies I've worked for spend millions equipping their labs with ESD protection. They fit special floor tiles, work bench surfaces, wrist straps, gloves, coats, shoes and hair protection. I would hope that Intel and AMD take similar precautions when manufacturing CPUs. What happens to them afterwards due to naive or blatant disregard for ESD, is out of their hands.

I suspect far more CPUs die due to faulty BIOS boost voltages or manual overvolting, but a few early deaths might be attributable to ESD damage. You'll never know unless someone checks the die under an electron microscope and that's not going to happen for a standard RMA.

Some people know about ESD damage and take precautions. Other people are blissfully ignorant. A third category are aware, but think "it'll never happen to me". They're probably right 99.9999% of the time, but there's always that 0.0001% chance they'll zap an expensive CPU from a blasé approach to ESD handling.

https://www.electronicdesign.com/te...eos-and-esd-failures-in-semiconductor-devices

The choice is yours.

I have no want or need to de-lid. The days of trying to squeeze the last ~%3 of performance out of a CPU are behind me.

 

[Misgar]

I have no want or need to de-lid. The days of trying to squeeze the last ~%3 of performance out of a CPU are behind me.

Likewise. I leave my 7950X and 3800X running at stock settings (no PBO).

I ran a hefty overclock on a dual core G3258 Pentium for many years, until someone gifted me an i7-4770K this year. Two cores were sufficient for simple browsing and I even managed to run a Windows 10 VM in Hyper-V with only 8GB RAM total in the PC.

This old LGA1150 computer is a "daily driver" for web browsing and would be no great loss if the CPU eventually succumbs to electromigration. I'd just fit another one from my collection.

I have some old Intel Pentium III CPUs where the die is exposed (no IHS), It was relatively easy to chip the edges of the die, if you were very clumsy attaching or removing the heatsink.

Perhaps Intel and AMD could release modern CPUs with no IHS, like the past? No need for delidding if you were prepared to accept a reduced warranty that didn't include cracked or chipped dies. Maybe the quantities are far too small, to make it worthwhile for big companies to add more SKUs to their inventories.