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On 6/20/04 9:31 AM, in article bmgBc.145047$Yr.119932@okepread04, "PC Medic"
<NOT@home.net> wrote:
> You are correct and I did not say ALL Dells are good. I simply stated that
> the original comment was "based on 'your' persoanl experience" with a Dell
> purchase (which I am sure now will number in the hundreds of units).
Actually, no. Where I work we unfortunately and mistakedly switched to dell
from IBM for the desktop side of things. I feel sorry for the people who
have to use and support them. They are in for a lot of work when the POS's
break down. But it was management being lazy asses and wanting someone else
to track purchases which Dell agreed to do. But the lost productivity will
be large. IBM has the BEST corporate PC management suite out there, and
they are no more expensive than the POS Dellboxen that they order now...
But, where we need reliability (servers, which is my area), it will be a
cold day in HELL before we buy a DELL. We need reliability, something they
don't offer.
> Again this would be an individual opinion as consumer polls definitely
> indicate otherwise.
More people buy GM automobiles than any other. Would you call them good
values or excellent cars? I think not.
> Being in the industry (and no I do not work for Dell), I know enough to taks
> Ziff-Davis opinions at their face value. Which appears to match the value of
> the ad campaign the vendor has with them!
> And while my systems all bench out quite well, this thread was discussing
> support quality not product quality.
It's not just them WRT benchmarks. Tom's Hardware did a benchmark a while
(it has been a while) on OEM systems and Dell placed dead last among them.
Other magazines show a similar trend. Dell is not a performance PC brand.
They had to stop their "xxx company uses Dell because they are high
performance PC's" advertising campaign because it was not true.
Dell is not a good company. Period. Mediocre to poor products and an
average price. Unfortunately that sort of thing gets rewarded in the
marketplace.
> Now I understand you lack of knowledge as you are one of the close minded,
> my chips better than your chip type, which again is not part of this thread.
No, not really. It's just a FACT that Intel is facing an uphill battle in
the coming months WRT 64-bits on the desktop. What was it - 3-6 months ago
they said there was no need for it. Now the biggest software co who's
software sells their chips more than any other says their next version needs
64-bit dual core on the desktop for best performance. Whoops - we don't
have anything like that - Itanic's a flop, CentrinWho ain't 64 bit, the
Peee4 is at a clockspeed wall for the last 1-2 years, etc. Whoops. Our
competitors (IBM, AMD) have 64-bits on the desktop (G5, Athlon) and server
that often surpass the performance of our flagship chips. Whoops.
Sorry, I like the best solutions - that¹s why I don't:
* Own an Intel CPU
* Run Windows (look at my headers to determine what OS)
* Tell every one to stay away from Dell
* Drive a GM product
* Buy cheap stuff - learned a long time ago you get what you pay for.
Maybe I'm just picky, but before I jump into something I typically do
research, not just buy something because I see an ad on the TV (which is, I
suspect why Dell's sales are so high).
> Well damn you own a couple problem Dells !! I didn't realize that, I mean
> this changes everything!
> You have got to one of the most renound sources of Dell quality and
> performance information on the planet!
Well, when the servers are slower than similar hardware and have more
failures than similar hardware, I'd hardly call that a QUALITY solution.
Especially when they are all of the same vintage, and some of the IBM boxen
are a little older.
You can't build quality and reliability at Dell's price points. You just
can't. You can come close, but again, you get what you pay for.
> Our network runs on Dell and HP servers and never any out of the ordinary
> problems.
Define out of the ordinary. Drive failures are not something that's
ordinary. They should not happen in a 1.5 year old box that spent 1 year of
that turned off in a rack... Oops, that's a Dell for you.
> And like I and the others out there, I guess you have your opinion.
True. I'd advise everyone to stay away from Dell. You will regret it at
some point.
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