Dell to Get Killer NICs Inside XPS Desktops

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Wow, Dell offers a PhysX card AND a Killer NIC? Why, no human should be entrusted with such power. The face of online gaming will never be the same, all thanks to Dell.
 
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One more thing the world really doesn't need, but some nerds will buy. Well I hope they feel good about it at least...
 

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Comparing it to an intel server NIC is just ignorant. The only ones that come close are not "half the price" they are substantially more expensive.

The cheaper intel server NIC's do not offer any of the additional features or match the performance in games of a Killer.

Failure to realize that means you do not even understand the basics of how a Killer works.
 

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"Comparing it to an intel server NIC is just ignorant. The only ones that come close are not "half the price" they are substantially more expensive.

The cheaper intel server NIC's do not offer any of the additional features or match the performance in games of a Killer.

Failure to realize that means you do not even understand the basics of how a Killer works."

What a load of crap. Let's get something straight right now: The Killer NIC cannot improve network latency by any significant amount. Period. It's physically impossible.

The only thing the network card can effect in terms of latency is from your computer to the switch it's connected to. The time for this transfer is on the order of 100 MICROseconds. If your ping to the gaming server is 15 MILLIseconds, the network card cannot make any more than MAYBE a 1% difference.

The things this card CAN do are to offload network processing from the computer to possibly improve frame rates.

And yes, the Intel Server card will have identical performance in terms of latencies, at half the price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106011 for the Intel NIC, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833342002 for the money waster.
 

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[citation][nom]Cinrellik[/nom]Comparing it to an intel server NIC is just ignorant. The only ones that come close are not "half the price" they are substantially more expensive.The cheaper intel server NIC's do not offer any of the additional features or match the performance in games of a Killer.Failure to realize that means you do not even understand the basics of how a Killer works.[/citation]

you obviously do not even understand the basics of how a server nic works

get a clue
 

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[citation][nom]Cinrellik[/nom]Comparing it to an intel server NIC is just ignorant. The only ones that come close are not "half the price" they are substantially more expensive.The cheaper intel server NIC's do not offer any of the additional features or match the performance in games of a Killer.Failure to realize that means you do not even understand the basics of how a Killer works.[/citation]

How a Killer works? You do realize that that connections to game servers go over the Internet? Like across whole nations and continents?

The circuitry in a nic doesn't even leave the PC case. See the comparison there?

Sure you can optimize some, but the idea that a Killer will really help is kind of like owning a half demolished home with trash, rotting food, and fecal matter all over the floor...and then installing polished marble tile around the toilets. Yea...that'll fix it.

If your ISP sucks, no nic will fix it. Could you be any more gullible?
 

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What a complete piece of junk this Killer NIC is. I cannot believe BigFoot is still trying to market this thing. Its targeting enthusiasts, but enthusiasts will never use it because their systems are already powerful enough that getting one of these doesn't make sense. So they deal with Dell to claw money back from clueless consumers. GO BIGFOOT!

I mean, I run VMWare on my system - run all my BitTorrent stuff in a virtual machine so I can scan my downloads with antivirus before moving them over to my actual main installation. I can play shit like Crysis while I have an XP Home VM downloading crap in the background for frig sakes. And my system is hardly ENTHUSIAST anymore.

God..
 

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[citation][nom]SomeJoe7777[/nom]"Comparing it to an intel server NIC is just ignorant. The only ones that come close are not "half the price" they are substantially more expensive.The cheaper intel server NIC's do not offer any of the additional features or match the performance in games of a Killer.Failure to realize that means you do not even understand the basics of how a Killer works."What a load of crap. Let's get something straight right now: The Killer NIC cannot improve network latency by any significant amount. Period. It's physically impossible.The only thing the network card can effect in terms of latency is from your computer to the switch it's connected to. The time for this transfer is on the order of 100 MICROseconds. If your ping to the gaming server is 15 MILLIseconds, the network card cannot make any more than MAYBE a 1% difference.The things this card CAN do are to offload network processing from the computer to possibly improve frame rates.And yes, the Intel Server card will have identical performance in terms of latencies, at half the price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6833106011 for the Intel NIC, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6833342002 for the money waster.[/citation]

Can't? Really? Test it; it works, therefore your statement that it "can't" make improvements simply means your as ignorant as your words.

Morons like you that make statements without actually testing are simply trolls.
 

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The Killer NIC is pointless to put into high-end computers - and it has been proven, over and over again on review sites. Putting it into an older system DOES however render somewhat good results - but for the price you are better off upgrading other components that will yield the same results anyways.
 
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First, I wouldn't buy one either

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If the end users internet connection to the ISP is overloaded (did someone leave Limewire running in the background...AGAIN) then the NIC could re-arrange traffic to give lower ping times

THOUGH...yeh, that's the only noticeable way I can think of that it could make a difference.
 
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I've been in the IT industry for many years and owned a killer NIC and it was nothing but trouble. I went through the RMA process with Killer 3 times and still didn't get one that worked properly. The first 2 wouldn't even allow my PC to POST. The 3rd one allowed my system to boot just fine but I would have speed problems in web browsing, LAN transfers, internet access would sometimes fail without warning and the worst part is that my gaming performance showed almost NO improvement expect in WoW. I, however, do not play WoW anymore. I play a different game in which the Killer offers NO improvement but still has it's other odd behaviors. To ME (personal opinion/experience here) this thing is not worth the trouble or the high price. The trade offs are just NOT worth it. I believe most are better off with a solid NIC over this contraption any day. (unless all you do on your PC is play WoW then go for it...) My Intel PRO/1000 PT Adapter wipes the floor with this thing in it's ability to consistently provide stable, fast network/internet access. It's a shame...I had high hopes for the Killer. Maybe some next gen. version will be different. :(
 

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[citation][nom]SomeJoe7777[/nom]"What a load of crap. Let's get something straight right now: The Killer NIC cannot improve network latency by any significant amount. Period. It's physically impossible.The only thing the network card can effect in terms of latency is from your computer to the switch it's connected to. The time for this transfer is on the order of 100 MICROseconds. If your ping to the gaming server is 15 MILLIseconds, the network card cannot make any more than MAYBE a 1% difference.The things this card CAN do are to offload network processing from the computer to possibly improve frame rates.[/citation]

Read the reviews; the killer has been tested. Your claims that it "Cant" improve latency are simply false and based on your assumption that you know better than someone who has actually used the card and tested it vs other cards.

So please, continue to remain ignorant and make assumptions, or do the research and realize: your simply wrong.
 

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The whole idea behind the Killer NIC is not improve the actual connection, but to free up system resources so that your games have more undivided attention of your CPU while you download your torrents in the background.

The reality is - a difference of 20 to even 30 milliseconds in a game like WoW DOES NOT matter. A difference of 20 to 30 milliseconds in something face paced where reflexes actually matter, such UT2003, COD4 or Crysis the difference DOES matter.

But people that play games that matter when your ping is +/- 20 turn off crap like BitTorrent and other shit before they play - they are not going to spend $250.00 just so they can download porn torrents while fragging.

Good idea, bad marketing, waste of time.
 

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Wait, Tom's Guide not only says this does work, but it's legit:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/killer-m1-nic,review-1083.html

So, not only does it show that this technology works on servers, it shows that the "Intel NIC," doesn't actually offer the same technology.

I think once again, Tom's has proven itself responsible by having "some guy" reprint the press release and the REAL technologists actually review the hardware. Smart folks!
 
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wow. as if i needed another reason to dislike anything dell they come out with another gimmick here. if anyone is a big enough enthusiast to go to these measures to reduce ping, they would hopefully know enough to realize this garbage cant help you, and TO NOT GAME ON A DELL. even an xps. if someone wants to drop 2000+ on a computer, send me 1200 and ill build one and overclock it to be better than any dell...
 

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Half of the "review sites" that test this card do it improperly and don't have the proper tools to measure it. Furthermore, half of what everyone says on these forums is speculation. I DID research this and put it on the "wish I had it but won't pay the price for it" list. It DOES do what they claim. Does it do much? No. But it DOES work and it IS a good idea. The problem is that the internet just isn't fast enough to make this a viable solution, at least not at the high cost. Now if I2 was out, would I plop down cash for this? Probably.
 
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With Vista being as resource intensive as it is, I'm surprised that any resource savings can be called "negligible". I know this card favours latency reduction over bandwidth, but have you ever checked CPU usage during a large file transfer? It's rediculous. A card that can offload that from the main CPU is a welcome option. The ability to prioritize network traffic is another great option. The ONLY deal breaker here is the price.
 

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Wow, This blew up fast!

TomsHardware has a policy of deleting manufacturer posts, which I can certainly understand, but I wanted to point out a few things here which should be able to clear things up:

We've never said you can improve your connection or "fix the internet." (We're working on that.) What we CAN do is optimize your internal network operations.

It's difficult to dismiss the hardware benefits we offer if you stop to think for a second that:
- gamers buy accelerated graphics cards
- gamers buy high performance CPUs
- gamers buy high performance memory
- and on and on with hard drives, fans, motherboards, keyboards, mice and cases...
But gamers are still subject to networking technology and protocols that not only haven't improved to keep pace with games, but in the case of Vista, have actually degraded the gaming experience.

Again, I think dgomez pointed out above (not too diplomatically) that TomsGuide did a review of our card and summarized the technology and the benefits. The Killer NIC is a monster of a network card, and it handles all of your gaming networking operations with ease as well as Hardware Bandwidth Control to keep your network apps from stepping on your game and Hardware Firewall to let you live worry-free in the DMZ.

For more info about our technology, read our white papers here:
http://www.killernic.com/technology/llr.aspx

For more reviews, here's one of my favorites:
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadfeature=1214&bhcp=1

Feel free to email me at bfnsean@gmail.com or just reply here with more questions.
 
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[SwS]/[AvA]Lee_Stricklin says:

That would have been cool back when CPUs were measured in MHz back when taking such a small load off of your CPU actually made a difference. I can imagine that thing shaving off quite a bit of lag with it's on-board Linux being that I get far better networking on Linux than I do Windows, but with a skeet price like that the difference is too negligible.
 
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