News Despite Intel patch, Black Myth: Wukong devs warn about Core 13th and 14th Gen CPU crashing — studio provides a few workarounds to avoid crashing i...

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The developers of Black Myth: Wukong have warned Intel PC users that they may face error messages, instability, and crashes. In a pinned topic on the Steam Community message boards, they say that 'Out of video memory' issues may affect users of systems packing Intel Core 13th and 14th gen CPUs and provide some workarounds.

Despite Intel patch, Black Myth: Wukong devs warn about Core 13th and 14th Gen CPU crashing — studio provides a few workarounds to avoid crashing i... : Read more

 

[tamalero]

I wonder if this game can be used as a canary to showcase which cpus have been degraded already?

 

[Amdlova]

My system crash with 42fps max.

 

[Makaveli]

My system crash with 42fps max.

What are the specs of your system?

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

What are the specs of your system?

In his sig

 

[Amdlova]

https://i.ibb.co/SXfB4kx/IMG-20240815-WA0011.jpg

 

[DS426]

My system crash with 42fps max.

42 fps MAX? Goodness, what is your average fps?
This is crashing on a 'T' (35W nominal TDP) Raptor Lake i5?

 

[Amdlova]

The T series don't have any problem with high voltages max voltage I have see is 1.3v on the single thread operations average 1.2v all cores turbo at 92w intel specs. These cpu have max power draw of 103w they are 5% slower than the 65w cpus on average.

 

[rluker5]

I wonder how much of the crashing is from the motherboard LLC stock undervolt settings where high load is often met with inadequate volts?
Buildzoid has been going in depth discussing the two separate issues of instability and degradation.

 

[DS426]

The T series don't have any problem with high voltages max voltage I have see is 1.3v on the single thread operations average 1.2v all cores turbo at 92w intel specs. These cpu have max power draw of 103w they are 5% slower than the 65w cpus on average.

That's what I thought but it might actually just be a matter of lower-TDP processors taking longer to show this problem. We may not know for a long time, eh?

 

[Mattzun]

A 13600T from early production might have the via oxidation issue.
No way to tell because intel isn’t providing the affected serial numbers

Intel did say that any 65 watt processor could be affected by the voltage problem
It’s just a lot more common on the k series.
The voltage spikes are short enough that monitoring software might not show the actual peak voltages

 

[Gururu]

Poor Intel forced to say the chips were bad, now we see it was the software all along...

 

[redgarl]

42 fps MAX? Goodness, what is your average fps?
This is crashing on a 'T' (35W nominal TDP) Raptor Lake i5?

That's crazy... are you really sure it is your CPU?
Do you think your Power supply or your motherboard or your GPU might be the cause?

Surprising for a 13600T.

 

[SunMaster]

Poor Intel forced to say the chips were bad, now we see it was the software all along...

I'll assume this is sarcasm.

 

[Mattzun]

From the Steam thread, there do seem to be actual bugs crashing AMD Ryzen and Intel12th gen and not just the 13th/14th gen "Out of video memory" error that is actually a degraded CPU.

 

[Amdlova]

The T series is the best silicon intel can offer.
Best than the xeons over lga 1700 platform.
Only issues I have can't OC the memory on ddr4 more than 400mhz.
Never get any kind of blue screen or memory corruption.
If intel have some kind problem with oxidation is on the K family the rest of chips launch months before
My last cpus from intel is 12700T/13500T/13100T/13600T and now waiting for the 14600T. I will make a video testing the two generations to see what is the refresh from intel

 

[Mattzun]

The T series is the best silicon intel can offer.
Best than the xeons over lga 1700 platform.
Only issues I have can't OC the memory on ddr4 more than 400mhz.
Never get any kind of blue screen or memory corruption.
If intel have some kind problem with oxidation is on the K family the rest of chips launch months before
My last cpus from intel is 12700T/13500T/13100T/13600T and now waiting for the 14600T. I will make a video testing the two generations to see what is the refresh from intel

If you have an NVidia card, installing and uninstalling the drivers supposedly causes the the 13th/14th gen crash. You may need to to install/uninstall six times to be certain.

If you don't get any crashes in the driver installs, you are probably encountering a bug in the game.

 

[ThomasKinsley]

I was concerned about this. Some (as seen below) are claiming that the microcode fix is not an adequate fix at all. I wouldn't know, but it does seem like Intel is not being honest with the community.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqyaiTUaH9A

 

[tamalero]

From the Steam thread, there do seem to be actual bugs crashing AMD Ryzen and Intel12th gen and not just the 13th/14th gen "Out of video memory" error that is actually a degraded CPU.

God, I was losing neurons at the steam page!

People randomly spewing words to sound smart there.
I mean.. theres guys saying stuff like "you need to update your uefi revisions" and I'm like.. WHAT?


Anyway, it seems a large amount was intel's and the developers of Wukong recommend downclocking lol.

 

[Mattzun]

God, I was losing neurons at the steam page!

People randomly spewing words to sound smart there.
I mean.. theres guys saying stuff like "you need to update your uefi revisions" and I'm like.. WHAT?


Anyway, it seems a large amount was intel's and the developers of Wukong recommend downclocking lol.

Downclocking the memory to 5600Mhz (or lower) and locking the CPU frequencies at 5.4 GHz (or lower) are both known bandaids for the 13th/14th gen problem.

Of course if you need to do downclock, you really need to RMA your CPU - its already severely damaged.
Hopefully the new BIOS/microcode will prevent the replacement from degrading.

 

[YSCCC]

I personally don't want to play the game, but DL the bench just to see if my 14900k is affected... luckily it did install and ran perfectly... maybe I can keep peace in mind for the meantime and waiting if a year down it still blows up

 

[Hotrod2go]

This is interesting, I'm going to download the demo & test it on my shiny new 9700X with custom PBO settings. Not a fan of this style of game but to see if UE5 (whatever version they are using here) is ok with Zen 5.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Reading the article, the devs say the software might crash. Is this preemptive and making the assumption that the cpu firmware hasn’t been updated or are they suggesting that the software may still crash due to damage caused prior to the firmware update?

It isn’t stated.

 

[YSCCC]

Reading the article, the devs say the software might crash. Is this preemptive and making the assumption that the cpu firmware hasn’t been updated or are they suggesting that the software may still crash due to damage caused prior to the firmware update?

It isn’t stated.

Nobody knows, maybe not even intel knows about that in the meantime, but it is reasonable to assume after almost 2 years since 13th gen release, and 99.99% of users won't even touch bios, not to say aggressive undervolting and hard cap the max voltage in day 1 (which need intensive stability tests to begin with), that a ton of degraded CPUs are out there, not showing signs of the CPU failing in daily use, only to start failing left and right in the UE5 engine, when the devs saw a considerable amount of stability complains with the RPL processors they would put out such notes to warn players about the issue and not flooding their CS hotline/email

 

[peterf28]

Yesterday I updated bios on my Asus Tuf Gaming B760-M D4 Wifi motherboard, that went almost without problems (well not completely, I managed to download correct bios file on the third attempt, the Asus mobos have very similar names).

But after that I had to fight with PC not booting, reseting bios to default, clear CMOS by shorting jumper, fiddling with BIOS secure boot settings, etc. Finally after 2 hours PC is now OK. Took much more work than expected.