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enewmen

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Hi Guys.
DX 10 is almost here and I was courious if there is any news on DX11 yet?
From what little I know, all current real-time PC 3D graphics are all FAKE.
Such as shadows are really maps,
Physics are all fake (Even the rag doll has serious problems when reacting to other objects)
bumpy reflections are all fake.
Hair is fake,
etc etc.
Although all these shortcuts and tricks looking better in DX9, they are all still fake. It seems DX10 will use better shaders and keep makeing scenes looking better, but they are still shaders.
So, about DX 11.
Will DX 11 finally have true ray-tracing with REAL shadows, REAL refraction, REAL Physics, REAL particle Hair, etc?
If future video cards will have true ray-tracing, then I guess shaders will not be needed anymore. The hardware and APIs will be completely different?
Is this a good guess or I have no idea what I am talking about?

Thanks!
 

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and you want REAL girls coming out of the monitor to give you REAL sex lol just had to say that. no offence.
wat do u mean by REAL? according to physics, a monitor is an actual light source producing real light, so when u say reflections.. light reflecting light? how does light from the monitor reflect from the monitor? to put it simply, data will never be REAL in my opinion, we can only make it more lifelike.
 

sailer

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While we're at it, why not go beyond flat screen monitors and go to real 3D holographic monitors? All it takes is money. Can't wait to see the graphics card race between ATI and Nvidia for that, or the price that would be charged.
 

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Real what? Games cannot be real, they can only LOOK real. Even movies look real, but are not real. Movies in video formats are data that shows the movie. Same with games. It's all data, number etc. that make the game look real.

As for DX11, it's pointless you brought that up, since n00bs will be asking if they should wait for DX11, and if current cards can run DX11. :lol: :roll:
 

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Mmmm, yeah, a $1000+ workstation class graphics card to play a game... Isn't this a bit too much??
Real-time raytracing needs a really STUPID amount of processing power, and we're talking about a STATIC object. Do you realize how much power would be necessary for games as GRAW (for example) with real-time raytracing?
ONLY raytracing, not even considering everything else...
Even thinking about that is SO crazy today, maybe in 2-3 years could be possible.
I do some renderings in 3DS ocasionally (for work), and believe me when I say, I know how much power is needed for raytracing.
Let's stay with the "fake" physics for now, they're still in development...
 
A team in Germany a few years ago got a version of Quake3 with raytracing running in real time.(20+ CPUs in a cluster of some sort)

There's alot of raytracing demos out there, real-time, but they are all rather simplistic, and all the ones I've seen CPU based (which may change later).

In order to render a scene equivalent to Oblivion or even FarCry using raytracing would require, as was said, stupid amounts of processing power. There are advantages and dissadvantages to raytracing. I don't think it'll become a reality until we start thinking we have way more than enough power.
 

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Mmmm, yeah, a $1000+ workstation class graphics card to play a game... Isn't this a bit too much??
Real-time raytracing needs a really STUPID amount of processing power, and we're talking about a STATIC object. Do you realize how much power would be necessary for games as GRAW (for example) with real-time raytracing?
ONLY raytracing, not even considering everything else...
Even thinking about that is SO crazy today, maybe in 2-3 years could be possible.
I do some renderings in 3DS ocasionally (for work), and believe me when I say, I know how much power is needed for raytracing.
Let's stay with the "fake" physics for now, they're still in development...

Woulda two year old Cray supercomputer run a raytracing game fine? cause were not using it at all; infact were turing it into a CoD server...yeh, a brand new Cray in to a CoD server
 

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of course everything in a PC 3D graphics is fake.unless just like what illicitsc said, u want real girls coming out from the monitor?
 

enewmen

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Points taken.
I really don't expect to get a DX11 card anytime soon. I just speculate now.
However, if you want games with Pixar quality graphics, it comes at a price. And I am not talking about 1000 Crays to watch a car explode.
 

pauldh

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Games cannot be real, they can only LOOK real.
What? You mean I am not really "The Hero of Kvatch", "The Grand Champion of the Arena", "handy with a sword", and greeted by the comment "Look at the muscles on You"!? Are the 4 houses and all the gold not reality either? Bummer, I was thinking I had become invinsible and my day job was the fake. :roll: :roll: :tongue:
 

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You mean all that ingame currency that the retarded people of the world are buying with real money doesn't actually exist? 8O

Why are you even bringing up this topic? You're asking us whats going to be in something that Microsoft hasn't even started on yet. They don't even have DX10 working perfect yet. Stick to the here and now. Thats like asking us what features CPUs will have 10 years from now.

DX11 will be able to destroy you molecule by molecule and reassemble you inside the game. Don't die though because it works on Matrix principles. Also if the power dies you no longer exist. Buy an UPS.
 
To hell with DX10 let alone me saying where you can stick DX11!

And just as a sanity check, it's all FAKE...it's all just renderings on a monitor screen...unplug a while and get out in the REAL world, you know the one, the world that you escape from while thinking up crap like this...

I can see it now...a slew of posts from dumasses asking when and where they can can get DX11 cards and if the next version of M$'s overpriced OS will support it or not...
 

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Games cannot be real, they can only LOOK real.
What? You mean I am not really "The Hero of Kvatch", "The Grand Champion of the Arena", "handy with a sword", and greeted by the comment "Look at the muscles on You"!? Are the 4 houses and all the gold not reality either? Bummer, I was thinking I had become invinsible and my day job was the fake. :roll: :roll: :tongue:

You must play Oblivion too much... but since I know exactly what you're talking about I must play too much too...

As for real this and real that, we have to consider if it will make a significant difference in visual quality given current hardware, or if current hardware can be upgraded easily enough so that such changes WOULD be significant. When "real" effects start happening will have a lot to do with whether the market is ready and supporting tech is available.

Also: a friend of mine has some stereoscopic gaming goggles that his dad accidentally bought for about $800... (its a long story) too bad that he needs an Nvidia card for full stereoscopic support and he is a staunch supporter of ATI... plus, we tried it with the 6600go on my lappy and couldn't get it to work anyway.

To many people replying: Of course its fake! Its pixels on a screen. What he means is that the game isn't actually doing the calculations to make the effect true to nature, its doing some shortcut which yields basically the same visual image... at least thats my take on it.

-mcg
 

cleeve

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a friend of mine has some stereoscopic gaming goggles that his dad accidentally bought for about $800... (its a long story) too bad that he needs an Nvidia card for full stereoscopic support and he is a staunch supporter of ATI... plus, we tried it with the 6600go on my lappy and couldn't get it to work anyway.

You can get a pair of edimensional stereoscopic glasses for $100-ish, they'll support Ati cards as well as LCD screens... at least they're advertised as such.

What kind of stereoscopic gogles are $800? Do they have two LCD screens in them or something?
 

pauldh

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You mean I am not really "The Hero of Kvatch"?

They call you the Hero of Kvatch, too?

Those two timing Kvatchians! :p
lol, 8O I thought I was special :cry:

After a two week break, I got three good nights of Oblivion in one week. Fun game, addicting music. I even pause it and leave the music playing while I do work on other machines. :oops:
 
After a two week break, I got three good nights of Oblivion in one week. Fun game, addicting music. I even pause it and leave the music playing while I do work on other machines. :oops:

I mute my music nowadays. :lol:

BTW, if you get the collector's set you can listen to the 'score'. :p

I have been accused of casting destruction spells around the office, but that's usually after a lunch with Vietnamese soup with NewJersey Death hot sauce! :twisted:
 

cleeve

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...addicting music. I even pause it and leave the music playing while I do work on other machines. :oops:

What about the music from morrowind? I still find myself humming it sometimes, not necesarrily because I like it all that much... listened to that exact same tune for about a zillion hours... yeesh.
 
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