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No arguement, except ... you ass-u-me too much for the user, and
under estimate the little tweaks and such that makes it so much
more valuable than simply trying to use chkdsk. You also seem to
ass-u-me I don't know what chkdsk/scandisk etc are, but you are
wrong.
Don't make life more complex than it is when it isn't
necessary. That kind of attitude, IMO, puts a wart on the ass
of progress by ass-u-me-ing you know when progress is progress
and when it isn't.
I don't plan to debate this any further; if you wish to contnye
to rant, then so be it; I save ranting for more entertaining
drivel than this.
Regards,
Pop
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| "Pop" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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| >
| > Uhhhh, you believe? Haven't used it in a long time? Then
why
| > did you bother putting the wear and tear on your fingertips?
| > There is just a tad more to it.
|
| Yep, superficial stuff to mask that it duplicates the
functionality of
| CHKDSK. For the big errors that it "discovers", it just
schedules
| CHKDSK to run on the next reboot: Disk Doctor links to
chkdsk.exe to
| past parameters to it for pre-GUI scanning. Disk Doctor cannot
repair
| index corruption in NTFS, and I don't recall that it can
rebuild a file
| from a corrupted state based on the journaling info (again for
NTFS).
| So how much "repairing" is Disk Doctor doing if it has to
revert to
| running CHKDSK to get the actual work done?
|
| > Norton System Doctor includes Norton Disk Doctor
|
| I suppose they had to wrap it up to look different to con users
that
| something was different to qualify paying for the purchase or
upgrade
| cost. Also, I thought System Doctor was their monitor tool.
It isn't
| System Doctor that includes Disk Doctor. It is Norton
Utilities that
| includes both Disk Doctor AND System Doctor (see their
description at
| http://snipurl.com/awfl). I did not address the other
utilities
| included in the Norton Utilities bloatware "package". I only
discussed
| Disk Doctor. I did not discuss the synergy of the multiple
tools in the
| Norton Utilities package which includes Disk Doctor, their DOS
| utilities, their monitoring tool (System Doctor), their
SpeedDisk (which
| conflicts with the Diskeeper Lite included as defrag in Windows
XP and
| with the prefetch used in Windows XP), the extreme hazard of
using their
| WinDoctor in letting it make wide-ranging automatic registry
changes
| based on a limited experience database encoded into it, Wipe
Info which
| was unavailble for awhile on NT-based versions of Windows but
was easy
| supplanted by the better and freebie Eraser tool, or System
Information
| which is superfluous with the utilities included in Windows XP
or
| available for free, like AIDA32 (which became Everest Home
minus the
| software product key info) and BelArc Advisor. Since the OP
never
| mentioned WHICH version of SystemWorks they have (which
includes Norton
| Utilities which includes Disk Doctor), we really don't know
what feature
| set is available to the OP. Personally I found System Doctor
to be a
| pig on resources and slowed every system on which it was loaded
so I
| never bothered to leave it running.
|
| > and Surface Test
| > sensors that notify you when a potential disk problem is
| > detected.
|
| Yeah, no surprise there since "CHKDSK /R" does the same surface
scan.
| Or maybe you are covertly switching back to System Doctor for
the
| monitoring and attempting to infer that functionality is part
of Disk
| Doctor.
|
| > Norton Disk Doctor runs automatically to diagnose the
| > problem and make immediate repairs.
|
| Only the same ones that CHKDSK will repair when the system
partition is
| in use or for another volume that isn't locked.
|
| > Norton Disk Doctor performs several tests on the disk,
checking
| > everything from the partition table to the physical surface.
|
| > If Norton Disk Doctor finds a problem, it notifies you before
it
| > makes repairs.
|
| Same for "CHKDSK" with no switches which will only the report
problems
| that it finds without fixing them. Of course, if you use a
multiboot
| manager or security product that uses a custom MBR bootstrap
program and
| uses non-standard entries in the partition table and the
partition table
| is not in it default offset location then Disk Doctor will ruin
your
| setup.
|
| Perhaps Disk Doctor has improved and actually checks the
partition type
| recorded in the partition entries within the partition table.
It didn't
| do it before. However, there are multiple partition types
which can be
| used against the same partition as their definition has never
really
| been standardized but only accepted through de facto usage (see
| partition types defined at http://snipurl.com/6al2,
| http://snipurl.com/awgl, and http://snipurl.com/awgp). Since
there is
| no standards body dictating what partition type numbers are
used by what
| file systems then how is Disk Doctor going to "fix" a partition
using
| file system X so the partition type in the partition entry in
the
| partition table has the correct but non-standardized value? It
| *guesses* by inspecting the file system and using whatever
Symantec has
| decided is their interpretation of the de facto partition type
number
| list.
|
| > If you set Norton Disk Doctor to automatically fix
| > errors, repairs are made automatically.
|
| Same for "CHKDSK /F" or "CHKDSK /R" (for those that can be
fixed while
| the system partition is inuse, and the same restrictions as for
Norton
| Disk Doctor).
|
| > After it diagnoses and
| > repairs a disk, Norton Disk Doctor displays a report that
lists
| > the problems that were found, the problems that were fixed,
|
| Same for the summary output at the end of CHKDSK.
|
| > and the areas of the disk that are problem-free.
|
| This is important? You run the tool to report what is bad;
otherwise,
| just a summary output is sufficient to let you know it was
good.
|
| > You can run Norton Disk Doctor and examine your disk from the
| > program CD.
|
| CHKDSK will run from Recovery Console mode which you can
install and run
| the hard drive or use the bootable Windows install CD to have
it load
| the Recovery Console.
|
| Disk Doctor is like CHKDSK on steroids but only *WITH* the
added tools
| in the Norton Utilities suite. Disk Doctor alone doesn't
outshine
| CHKDSK. Do you need the bloat of the suite when you want to
just use
| Disk Doctor's duplicated functionality of CHKDSK? I got rid of
Norton
| Utilities first from SystemWorks Pro when I had replaced each
of its
| utilities with something free or better. When I no longer
needed Ghost
| (after comparing it against DriveImage), and WinFax became a
dead-end
| product (and Windows XP includes a faxing service for the
really basic
| faxing that I need since everything these days is via e-mail),
and I
| couldn't use GoBack because it usurps the MBR bootstrap area
which
| obviated using a multiboot manager (and GoBack won't chain the
bootstrap
| programs as do some security products, like Safeboot) then I
finally
| dumped Systemworks Pro. For those that don't want to hunt for
equal or
| better utilities, many of which are free, then the synergy of
buying
| into a tool suite is tempting because it is easy.
|
|
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