Discuss the BANNINGS here.

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With only a few hours left I felt that now would be a good time to start
a post about the possible bannings. Any last minute picks? Any I told
you so? Post em here.

 

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In news:29936-4223CFCE-2@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net,
Tommy Luke <KazuyaZero@webtv.net> rambled:
> With only a few hours left I felt that now would be a good time to
> start a post about the possible bannings. Any last minute picks? Any
> I told you so? Post em here.

As I expected, they banned the artifact lands. I do feel, however, that they
went way too far with it. Banning 8 cards is overkill. Banning 5 (possibly
6, in Darksteel Citadel) of them, IMHO, would have worked. My opinion is
that the Disciple/Ravager combo is *not* a problem. It's only a problem when
it kills somewhere between turns 3 and 6. With no artifact lands to power
out multiple creatures on turn 2, this would not be a problem. I've heard
many people say that they're sick of affinity, but what I suspect they mean
is that they're sick of affinity winning so quickly. I'll have to read Aaron
Forsythe's column today to see what he says about this, if anything. Either
way, I'm glad affinity won't be ravaging the tournament scene anymore, but
I'm unhappy that they purposefully killed an entire archetype, rather than
just neutering it significantly (and possibly to the point where it's
unplayable - but that's not a decision for the DCI to make. It's a decision
for the players.)

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:13:45 -0500, "Briscobar"
<youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote:
> Either
>way, I'm glad affinity won't be ravaging the tournament scene anymore, but
>I'm unhappy that they purposefully killed an entire archetype, rather than
>just neutering it significantly (and possibly to the point where it's
>unplayable - but that's not a decision for the DCI to make. It's a decision
>for the players.)

They killed 2 archetypes...Ravager Affinity & KCI... :/
And that shortly after I started to love KCI plus finished building my
Ravager Affinity... >_<

Gruß, Julian
=)

 

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Julian Velder wrote:

>
> They killed 2 archetypes...Ravager Affinity & KCI... :/

KCI?

 

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incantation:

>> They killed 2 archetypes...Ravager Affinity & KCI... :/
> KCI?

krark-clan ironworks... a deck that IMO was as powerful as aff if not
more... this is why they have to ban art-lands - third turn kill
happened quite often in kci...

watman (happy about bans)
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Mateusz "Watman" Wata wrote:

> To summon a deamon called Ophidian you must know the following
> incantation:
>
>
>>>They killed 2 archetypes...Ravager Affinity & KCI... :/
>>
>>KCI?
>
> krark-clan ironworks... a deck that IMO was as powerful as aff if not
> more... this is why they have to ban art-lands - third turn kill
> happened quite often in kci...

I was wondering about the lands.
I thought banning Ravager alone would do it.
But that still leaves affinity and your example. ;(
So bye bye lands.
But where does this leave Disciple still broken?
Sacking to Atogs, KCI, etc.?

 

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Ophidian <oNpEhMiOdian23@cox.net> rambled:
> Mateusz "Watman" Wata wrote:
>
>> To summon a deamon called Ophidian you must know the following
>> incantation:
>>
>>
>>>>They killed 2 archetypes...Ravager Affinity & KCI... :/
>>>
>>>KCI?
>>
>> krark-clan ironworks... a deck that IMO was as powerful as aff if not
>> more... this is why they have to ban art-lands - third turn kill
>> happened quite often in kci...
>
> I was wondering about the lands.
> I thought banning Ravager alone would do it.
> But that still leaves affinity and your example. ;(
> So bye bye lands.
> But where does this leave Disciple still broken?
> Sacking to Atogs, KCI, etc.?

Yeah, I think you're right....IMO, they had 3 choices:
1) Ban everything (which is what they did)
2) Ban artifact lands only (which is what I expected and was hoping for)
3) Ban Ravager, Disciple, KCI, and possibly Cranial Plating

They obviously did #1, but I think #2 would have been just as safe (as far
as Ravager dominating Standard). It also wouldn't leave millions of kids
with "useless" $15 rares that are now worth $2. IMO, Ravager/Disciple wasn't
the problem. The problem was that they could do 10+ damage/life loss on turn
4. Combined with its aggro nature and Cranial Plating, that was a problem.
If they could only inflict, say 5 on turn 4, it would be more fair. Or if
the deck was slowed down significantly enough to let any other deck have
time to deal with it, then that would also be fair. But, instead, they chose
to kill, not neuter, 2 (or more) decks.

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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:44:58 -0500, "Briscobar"
<youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote:
>It also wouldn't leave millions of kids
>with "useless" $15 rares that are now worth $2.

Ever heared of Extended....?
I'm going to 'rebuild' my Ravager Affinity to Extended...although
there aren't many tournaments around here ....
Gruß, Julian
=)

 

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In news:kkvg21dnduj3akohhfa2vcdgf2dp01r9vi@4ax.com,
Julian Velder <j.ve@gmx.de> rambled:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:44:58 -0500, "Briscobar"
> <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote:
>>It also wouldn't leave millions of kids
>>with "useless" $15 rares that are now worth $2.
>
> Ever heared of Extended....?

Yeah, absolutely. That's why I put "useless" in quotes. It's not what I
think, it's what others may think.

> I'm going to 'rebuild' my Ravager Affinity to Extended...although
> there aren't many tournaments around here ....
> Gruß, Julian
> =)

Yes, I'm going to do the same. However, as you note, there aren't nearly as
many extended tournaments (and will be even less when Extended season is
over) as Standard, rendering Ravagers "useless", compared to now, when
they're one of the most useful cards in the Standard environment.

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To summon a deamon called Ophidian you must know the following
incantation:

>>>>They killed 2 archetypes...Ravager Affinity & KCI... :/
>>>KCI?
>> krark-clan ironworks... a deck that IMO was as powerful as aff if not
>> more... this is why they have to ban art-lands - third turn kill
>> happened quite often in kci...
> I was wondering about the lands.
> I thought banning Ravager alone would do it.
> But that still leaves affinity and your example. ;(

aff would just return to the broodstar version...
banning only lands seemed not enough, too, as the vial affinity backed
up by welding jars, ornithopters and other cheap artifacts could raise
its ugly head again, and it could have much more stable mana base than
now...

> So bye bye lands.
> But where does this leave Disciple still broken?
> Sacking to Atogs, KCI, etc.?

one of the kci versions had more win conditions than just the myr
something (the cube ;] ) - one of the more popular were two myr
retrievers with a disciple on the table - this one could actually kill
you on the second turn... and today on the fnm i met a kci-desire...
luckily, he was turn to slow in both games...

watman
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The reason they just didn't ban Disciple, Plating and/or Ravenger is
because KCI would have been worse than Affinity in Standard. Disciple of
the Vault was the only thing keeping KCI in check. Turn 1: Vault,
Disciple. Are you playing KCI? You better hope you have your 1-3
fireballs in your hand.

I can't believe no one brought this up.

In my opinion, they should have banned Seat of Synod, Thoughtcast and
Cranial Plating. I wouldn't play either one of those decks w/out those
cards. Thoughtcast, imo, was the best card in both decks. U mana = Draw
two cards.

And extended should have banned Aether Vial and possibly Aluren (Aluren
is 40% of our field and I play it 2-3 times a tournment).

Vintage should have kept Trinisphere since it was the only thing slowing
the format down. They should have restricted Goblin Welder or Mishra's
Workshop (Mindslaver decks are 33% of our field).

 

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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:52:49 -0700, KazuyaZero@webtv.net (Tommy Luke)
wrote:

>I can't believe no one brought this up.
>
>In my opinion, they should have banned Seat of Synod, Thoughtcast and
>Cranial Plating. I wouldn't play either one of those decks w/out those
>cards. Thoughtcast, imo, was the best card in both decks. U mana = Draw
>two cards.

I saw some Affinity Version using Night's Whisper which is not as
effective as Thoughtcast but does a pretty good job...
Gruß, Julian
=)

 

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To summon a deamon called Julian Velder you must know the following
incantation:

>>I can't believe no one brought this up.
>>In my opinion, they should have banned Seat of Synod, Thoughtcast and
>>Cranial Plating. I wouldn't play either one of those decks w/out those
>>cards. Thoughtcast, imo, was the best card in both decks. U mana = Draw
>>two cards.
> I saw some Affinity Version using Night's Whisper which is not as
> effective as Thoughtcast but does a pretty good job...

true! i tested r/b only version of affinity for a moment and it wasn't
that bad ;]
with vials and only two colors of mana it had MUCH more stable mana base
than the regular affinity...

watman
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On 2005-03-04, Briscobar <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote:
> In news:aNZVd.154634$0u.47493@fed1read04,
> Ophidian <oNpEhMiOdian23@cox.net> rambled:
>> Mateusz "Watman" Wata wrote:
>
> They obviously did #1, but I think #2 would have been just as safe (as far
> as Ravager dominating Standard). It also wouldn't leave millions of kids
> with "useless" $15 rares that are now worth $2. IMO, Ravager/Disciple wasn't

Not completely. They're still legal in extended. Affinity is not dominating
the format there, but it places reasonably well, I'm pretty sure.

K


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KazuyaZero@webtv.net wrote:
> The reason they just didn't ban Disciple, Plating and/or Ravenger is
> because KCI would have been worse than Affinity in Standard. Disciple of
> the Vault was the only thing keeping KCI in check. Turn 1: Vault,
> Disciple. Are you playing KCI? You better hope you have your 1-3
> fireballs in your hand.
> I can't believe no one brought this up.
> In my opinion, they should have banned Seat of Synod, Thoughtcast and
> Cranial Plating. I wouldn't play either one of those decks w/out those
> cards. Thoughtcast, imo, was the best card in both decks. U mana = Draw
> two cards.
> And extended should have banned Aether Vial and possibly Aluren (Aluren
> is 40% of our field and I play it 2-3 times a tournment).
> Vintage should have kept Trinisphere since it was the only thing slowing
> the format down. They should have restricted Goblin Welder or Mishra's
> Workshop (Mindslaver decks are 33% of our field).

Thank you

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