dmca and copyright laws question

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A client is asking me to put music on a project that he does not have
rights to. He thinks that the DMCA says that you can use up to 10
seconds of music without permissions, licensing, etc., and I think
that you cannot use ANY.

If someone can help shed some light, or better yet, point me to a
resource that states what the DMCA says about this...

THANKS!
 
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I have no references at the moment, but from what I have heard/read you are
right. There's plenty of royalty free stuff out there to use.

--

Dave Jones
Independent Video Productions
www.vdoguy.com


"trustno1" <gasolineman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> A client is asking me to put music on a project that he does not have
> rights to. He thinks that the DMCA says that you can use up to 10
> seconds of music without permissions, licensing, etc., and I think
> that you cannot use ANY.
>
> If someone can help shed some light, or better yet, point me to a
> resource that states what the DMCA says about this...
>
> THANKS!
 
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"The Videoguy" wrote ...
> I have no references at the moment, but from what I have heard/read you
are
> right. There's plenty of royalty free stuff out there to use.

Especially if you need only 10 seconds worth!
 
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On 23 May 2004 20:56:18 -0700, gasolineman@yahoo.com (trustno1) wrote:

>A client is asking me to put music on a project that he does not have
>rights to. He thinks that the DMCA says that you can use up to 10
>seconds of music without permissions, licensing, etc., and I think
>that you cannot use ANY.
>
>If someone can help shed some light, or better yet, point me to a
>resource that states what the DMCA says about this...
>
>THANKS!

See <http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/copyright1.html>

| Music
|
| * Up to 10% of a copyrighted musical composition, but no more than
| 30 seconds
| * Up to 10% of a body of sound recording, but no more than 30
| seconds
| * Any alterations cannot change the basic melody or the
| fundamental character of the work

IANAL. I would contact one prior to accepting the above. The *AA has a
history of illegally suing people.
 
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> See <http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/copyright1.html>
> | * Up to 10% of a copyrighted musical composition, but no more than
> | 30 seconds...

I am amazed that people are quoting this URL in the context of clients
wanting copyrighted music in their commercial videos.

THIS IS ABOUT FAIR USE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES IN A CLASSROOM, PEOPLE! It
has to do with how much of a copyrighted composition you can quote when
talking about the composition, the production techniques, or the musical
context. Not about scoring the video.

In fact, if you scroll down on that page, you'll see that it doesn't apply
to commercial productions... or even productions that are going to be
duplicated.

--
Correct address is spell out the letter j, AT dplaydahtcom
Clio- and Emmy-winning sound design
Learn audio for video at www.dplay.com
 
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"trustno1" <gasolineman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> A client is asking me to put music on a project that he does not have
> rights to. He thinks that the DMCA says that you can use up to 10
> seconds of music without permissions, licensing, etc., and I think
> that you cannot use ANY.
>
> If someone can help shed some light, or better yet, point me to a
> resource that states what the DMCA says about this...
>
> THANKS!

Don't let the people saying you can use a little bit under "fair use" fool
you: This does NOT apply to synchronization rights, which is what you are
doing. If you are to do this, you will be opening yourself to direct
liability should the RIAA or the original artist decide to sue you - and it
doesn't matter if you are doing it at a client's request, or even if you get
some sort of indemnity from the client.

As I recall, without looking at the copyright law, you can be sued for
$250,000 just for the infringement, regardless of any actual damages.

I would strongly suggest reading the similar thread (and the one about
videotaping plays) in rec.video.production, or perhaps asking your question
there. Paul Tauger is a regular to that forum and he is a copyright
attorney. While he won't (can't) give legal advise, I think he will agree
that ANY use is probably illegal under the law - or at least NOT clearly
exempted, and therefore subject to suit.

Think about this, too - even IF you are covered under fair use, you can
still be sued (being covered would be up to a Judge to determine, the law is
rather vague). At that point, do you think you could win, even if you were
right?

Better not to assume the liability, IMO...
 
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> On 23 May 2004 20:56:18 -0700, gasolineman@yahoo.com (trustno1) wrote:
>
> >A client is asking me to put music on a project that he does not have
> >rights to. He thinks that the DMCA says that you can use up to 10
> >seconds of music without permissions, licensing, etc., and I think
> >that you cannot use ANY.
> >
> >If someone can help shed some light, or better yet, point me to a
> >resource that states what the DMCA says about this...
> >
> >THANKS!
>
> See <http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/copyright1.html>
>
> | Music
> |
> | * Up to 10% of a copyrighted musical composition, but no more than
> | 30 seconds
> | * Up to 10% of a body of sound recording, but no more than 30
> | seconds
> | * Any alterations cannot change the basic melody or the
> | fundamental character of the work
>
> IANAL. I would contact one prior to accepting the above. The *AA has a
> history of illegally suing people.

When has the RIAA sued someone "illegally"?

And, in any event, there is no magic percentage that will constitue fair
use. I took a quick look at the site, and there's a lot that's just plain
wrong.

1. Fair use doesn't require attribution.
2. Educational fair use generally requires that the use be spontaneous,
i.e. not part of the regular curriculum.
3. Fair use does not "end" when the fair user loses control of the work.
For example, citing a portion of protected work in a published review is,
and remains, fair use, despite the fact that it is distributed by
publication, including over the internet.
3. All the so-called "guidelines" that list amounts that may be copied
under fair use are completely wrong and without any legal basis whatsoever.
As little as one paragraph quoted in a review of an entire book has been
held to be outside of fair use. See Harper v. Nation. It is also possible
to use a protected work in its entirety and still be within fair use. See
Sony v. Universal.
4. Numerical data sets are not protectable under copyright, though the
sequence and arrangement of such sets may be.
5. Certain fair uses may be published on unsecured websites without
violating laws.
6. Certain fair uses may be reproduced without limit without incurring
liability.
7. No notation of alteration to the original work is required to be placed
in the presentation if it is fair use.
8. No attribution is required.
9. No copyright notice is required.
10. No copyright information is required.
11. If it is fair use, permission of the copyright owner is required.

Whoever published the site knows little about law. More than likely, these
are guidelines that the NC public schools have put in place as their own
policies, but most are unrelated to, and not required by, law.


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>
 
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> A client is asking me to put music on a project that he does not have
> rights to. He thinks that the DMCA says that you can use up to 10
> seconds of music without permissions, licensing, etc., and I think
> that you cannot use ANY.

Just ask the management company of the artist for permission. Its simple,
and I've never gotten turned down.
//cory
 
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:45:29 -0700, "PTRAVEL" <ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> >news:39fd24fa993d6764844ca232a8691a95@dizum.com...
> >> IANAL. I would contact one prior to accepting the above. The *AA has
a
> >> history of illegally suing people.
> >
> >When has the RIAA sued someone "illegally"?
>
> When someone (normally a big company) sues someone (normally a Joe
> Average), and prior to filing the lawsuit knows they have no chance of
> winning it should it go to trial but they know that the opponent will
> settle prior to trial because it will be far cheaper to do so than
> fighting it, then the lawsuit is illegal.

I agree, it would be malicious prosecution.

>
> The RIAA/MPAA has done the above.

When?

>
>