Do I need G-sync with my 980 Ti?

[Ragnarous]

Hello, as you've seen by the question I have a 980TI and unfortunately a 1080p 60hz monitor!
I'm really thinking into upgrading to a 1440p 144hz one because if i enable V-sync, it causes microstuttering, if i remove v-sync it causes visual tearing and fps over 300 also making the card produce massive coil whine!
However, I'm thinking, since I will be buying a 1440p 144hz monitor, do i really need G-sync? Because the monitor it self will be able to withstand up to 144 FPS and the 1440p will also even further reduce FPS due to a bigger res! I'm also wondering, because the monitors which support G-sync are very limited!

 

[RCFProd]

With a 1440p monitor It's highly unlikely that you'll be able to maintain 144fps, so in that case G-sync is going to only help you getting the smoothest image possible. However, you won't see tearing at all with a 144Hz monitor even without G-Sync.

 

[kyzarvs]

However, you won't see tearing at all with a 144Hz monitor even without G-Sync.

Is this true? I never knew that. If that's the case, what's the point of G-Sync / Free-Sync? I thought the whole point of those techs was to allow variable framerates to avoid tearing (like a CRT monitor used to...)

 

[RCFProd]

Tearing isn't entirely ruled out I guess, but personally I never have tearing with the Asus VG248QE, but I did have loads of tearing without V-SYNC on my previous 60Hz IPS monitor.

The inconsistency of framerates will be made to look a lot smoother as every frame is always synced with G-Sync. It's still good for use.

 

[Ragnarous]

However, you won't see tearing at all with a 144Hz monitor even without G-Sync.

Is this true? I never knew that. If that's the case, what's the point of G-Sync / Free-Sync? I thought the whole point of those techs was to allow variable framerates to avoid tearing (like a CRT monitor used to...)

Tearing is produced when you pass the Hz of the monitor! For example if my card can produse 100FPS on my 60 Hz monitor, it has 40 FPS/Hz difference! That difference will cause the screen tearing, thats why im thinking of not getting g-sync as my card will not pass the 144hz of the new monitor! G-sync will stable FPS with Hz and make a smooth image out of it!

 

[Ragnarous]

Tearing isn't entirely ruled out I guess, but personally I never have tearing with the Asus VG248QE, but I did have loads of tearing without V-SYNC on my previous 60Hz IPS monitor.

The inconsistency of framerates will be made to look a lot smoother as every frame is always synced with G-Sync. It's still good for use.

I bilieve you don't have tearing because its a 970, not a 980Ti 😛

 

[RCFProd]

Oh ok, that could be right. Anyways, you will stay under 144 fps with a 1440p monitor, so perhaps G-Sync not necessary? But perhaps It's nice to still have it.

 

[kyzarvs]

However, you won't see tearing at all with a 144Hz monitor even without G-Sync.

Is this true? I never knew that. If that's the case, what's the point of G-Sync / Free-Sync? I thought the whole point of those techs was to allow variable framerates to avoid tearing (like a CRT monitor used to...)

Tearing is produced when you pass the Hz of the monitor! For example if my card can produse 100FPS on my 60 Hz monitor, it has 40 FPS/Hz difference! That difference will cause the screen tearing, thats why im thinking of not getting g-sync as my card will not pass the 144hz of the new monitor! G-sync will stable FPS with Hz and make a smooth image out of it!

Thanks for the answers (and apologies if it was a slight topic derailment) - I understood that tearing was when the framerate of the GPU was below the framerate of the monitor, not above, but thanks!

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

However, you won't see tearing at all with a 144Hz monitor even without G-Sync.

Is this true? I never knew that. If that's the case, what's the point of G-Sync / Free-Sync? I thought the whole point of those techs was to allow variable framerates to avoid tearing (like a CRT monitor used to...)

Tearing is produced when you pass the Hz of the monitor! For example if my card can produse 100FPS on my 60 Hz monitor, it has 40 FPS/Hz difference! That difference will cause the screen tearing, thats why im thinking of not getting g-sync as my card will not pass the 144hz of the new monitor! G-sync will stable FPS with Hz and make a smooth image out of it!

No, tearing happens because the GPU and display aren't in sync. If the monitor wants a frame from the GPU when the GPU is copying it's frame from the backbuffer to the framebuffer you get tearing. What FPS is irrelevant, however, the higher you go above 60 FPS on a 60 Hz monitor, the more frequent the tear.

GSync was designed specifically for those that aren't able to push enough frames to hide the screen tearing from view. The more frames (on a high refresh rate up to 144/165/200 Hz), the less noticeable the tearing is, because the frame transitions are 2.4x+ times faster than they would be at 60 Hz.

GSync is less about framerate and more about frame timing, which is what causes the stuttering. 60 FPS doesn't have to mean smooth game play, if the frame times are bad, you'll notice the stutter anyways. Game devs are not that great at optimising games for PC, due to the huge amount of hardware available, so GSync is preferred for those that are actually bothered by this. This is why for instance a game running at 30 FPS on console is way smoother than the same game at 30 FPS on PC, because of limited hardware and high optimisation.

 

[Ragnarous]

However, you won't see tearing at all with a 144Hz monitor even without G-Sync.

Is this true? I never knew that. If that's the case, what's the point of G-Sync / Free-Sync? I thought the whole point of those techs was to allow variable framerates to avoid tearing (like a CRT monitor used to...)

Tearing is produced when you pass the Hz of the monitor! For example if my card can produse 100FPS on my 60 Hz monitor, it has 40 FPS/Hz difference! That difference will cause the screen tearing, thats why im thinking of not getting g-sync as my card will not pass the 144hz of the new monitor! G-sync will stable FPS with Hz and make a smooth image out of it!

No, tearing happens because the GPU and display aren't in sync. If the monitor wants a frame from the GPU when the GPU is copying it's frame from the backbuffer to the framebuffer you get tearing. What FPS is irrelevant, however, the higher you go above 60 FPS on a 60 Hz monitor, the more frequent the tear.

So, G-sync will help greatly then?

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Yes, and I edited my post right before you posted, I don't want to duplicate. You will absolutely benefit from GSync at a resolution of 1440, but the real question isn't whether or not GSync is effective, it is. The real question is whether or not you actually notice stutter and tearing in the first place. If it really bothers you, get GSync.

 

[Ragnarous]

Yes, and I edited my post right before you posted, I don't want to duplicate. You will absolutely benefit from GSync at a resolution of 1440, but the real question isn't whether or not GSync is effective, it is. The real question is whether or not you actually notice stutter and tearing in the first place. If it really bothers you, get GSync.

As i stated, if i enable V-sync i get extreme stuttering, if i remove I get 300fps in cs:go! Do you understand how over the limit 300fps is on my 60hz monitor ? 😛 Every time i move the mouse i get a tear somewhere across the screen with such amount of fps! I definitely need it! But very few monitors give it at 1440p 144hz!

I do understand how G-sync works from your point of view, and indeed because so many GPU's exist it is hard to optimize them to the fullest, that's why we also get driver updates every now and then!

But spending money for 1440p 144hz and saying no to a G-sync feature really is a silly thing to do, as i won't have enough money to buy another one with G-sync. So i prefer to save and get them all in one go!

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

I know you said that I'm not ignoring, but you can lock your FPS to something lower, you don't have to render that many frames, they aren't benefit you at all. The technical limitation of 60 Hz is 1 frame every 16.67 ms, that number never ever changes, however the graphics card is going to force many into one. You're better of locking the FPS. The upgrade to 1440p GSync is a good choice, but if you were to buy a 144 Hz TN monitor and that's your main game, then that would benefit you more than GSync, because you won't see tearing anyways. The GPU wine is normal so just limit FPS to 144 if that's the case.

 

[Ragnarous]

I know you said that I'm not ignoring, but you can lock your FPS to something lower, you don't have to render that many frames, they aren't benefit you at all. The technical limitation of 60 Hz is 1 frame every 16.67 ms, that number never ever changes, however the graphics card is going to force many into one. You're better of locking the FPS. The upgrade to 1440p GSync is a good choice, but if you were to buy a 144 Hz TN monitor and that's your main game, then that would benefit you more than GSync, because you won't see tearing anyways. The GPU wine is normal so just limit FPS to 144 if that's the case.

Thanx for the informative answer! I do play that a lot but I also play witcher 3, and shadow of mordor a lot, so I'm gonna go with the pack of 1440p 144hz G-sync! Thanx again for explaining how it works

 

[Ragnarous]

I just found out a dell monitor that his original price was 775 euros but dropped to 578! (25% off) Model name: dell-s2716
It has everything im asking for, except ofcourse the IPS panel, but i dont really care about it as long as I have the other features! Should I go with this? 200 euros is quite a lot of discount! All the other similar monitors (Asus Swift, Benq XL) have no discount at all!