Question do i really need AI pc?

[.valkyrie.]

hi
here, cheapest core ultra is 245k and its around 300$ .
and a cheapest wifi mobo is b860 Which is around 180$.

yet i can get a 14400+h610ma WiFi , for 130$+88$. or even a decent b660, 760 but without wifi

i was wondering, if its logical to get first option? what do i miss without 15th gen Ai? does it really matter?
all i do is casual gaming a few times a year + Normal windows stuff

also does anyone know where is ultra 3 205? no news regard mentioned cpu

 

[Lutfij]

You state gaming, at what resolution are were talking about here? What games are you referring to?

all i do is casual gaming a few times a year + Normal windows stuff
You build a system that meets your needs, not what's advertised on billboards with top of the line innards. That being said, no you don't need a high end machine to game.

 

[.valkyrie.]

You state gaming, at what resolution are were talking about here? What games are you referring to?

all i do is casual gaming a few times a year + Normal windows stuff
You build a system that meets your needs, not what's advertised on billboards with top of the line innards. That being said, no you don't need a high end machine to game.

eSports stuff like CS2 , dota 2...
also most recent game i installed is Hogwarts legacy, rdr2.

my monitor is 4K , but i usually set it to fhd in games or , 4k with fsr+Fg.

also i use rcps3 emulator.

i forget to mention ، i have a 16gb 3200mhz (2*8) ram laying around. if i get 15th gen, i should buy new ram.


i googled about what is the effect of Ai in real day use, but answers are Not clear .. just mentions improve cpu and gpu ....


also does anyone know where is ultra 3 205? no news regard mentioned cpu

 

[Eximo]

Pretty sure Intel is not going to bother with low end Arrow Lake. It is not selling well to start with. There is talks of an Arrow Lake refresh though, but only the K class chips for enthusiasts.

I would likely build around a Ryzen 7600 or 7700X these days.

If they start implementing AI in games, it is likely to be done on the GPU rather than a dedicated NPU. And you can run many AI tools using a GPU now anyway, or just use existing online services. Unless you really want to experience the current NPU driven AI tools today, I wouldn't think about it too much. Wait a few years and things will have sorted themselves out to local AI/NPU or online services.

 

[Lafong]

also does anyone know where is ultra 3 205? no news regard mentioned cpu

I can't recall hearing anything about a Core Ultra i3.

Lowest level ultra I've seen for sale is the ultra 5 225;

Priced at about 246 at Newegg. Single thread performance between the 14600K and 14700K.

14600K prices near 215 here; 14700K about 345.

 

[helper800]

This is the best performance per dollar intel platform upgrade right now. Arrow Lake CPUs are worse at gaming than Intel's previous CPUs. Here is a place to start if you are looking at a platform upgrade.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($208.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: NZXT N7 Z790 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($119.99 @ NZXT)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $568.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-07 12:06 EDT-0400

 

[.valkyrie.]

Pretty sure Intel is not going to bother with low end Arrow Lake. It is not selling well to start with. There is talks of an Arrow Lake refresh though, but only the K class chips for enthusiasts.

I would likely build around a Ryzen 7600 or 7700X these days.

If they start implementing AI in games, it is likely to be done on the GPU rather than a dedicated NPU. And you can run many AI tools using a GPU now anyway, or just use existing online services. Unless you really want to experience the current NPU driven AI tools today, I wouldn't think about it too much. Wait a few years and things will have sorted themselves out to local AI/NPU or online services.

thanks, that was really helpful.
yea i thought about AMD as well... Ryzn 5 8400 or even 8500.
perhaps i should check the prices for that one. at least am5 is not dead like 1700

 

[.valkyrie.]

I can't recall hearing anything about a Core Ultra i3.

Lowest level ultra I've seen for sale is the ultra 5 225;

Priced at about 246 at Newegg. Single thread performance between the 14600K and 14700K.

14600K prices near 215 here; 14700K about 345.

i rather pick something below 200$ for cpu.
i really don't need extra power or do a lot of gaming.
right now i am using intel 6100 for this build. and since its just a dual core, andhave some compatibility issu with windows 11, i thought that i should change it.


for those who may ask how did i play Hogwarts legacy, not on this machine. i meant my gaming style.

 

[.valkyrie.]

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This is the best performance per dollar intel platform upgrade right now. Arrow Lake CPUs are worse at gaming than Intel's previous CPUs. Here is a place to start if you are looking at a platform upgrade.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($208.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: NZXT N7 Z790 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($119.99 @ NZXT)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $568.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-07 12:06 EDT-0400

is list is amazing. but right now i gave some of those parts.
like a above average cooler , a decent PSU 650w, and two NVME gen 3.
i believe this is the time to move to AMD, since Ai is not that useful

 

[Eximo]

thanks, that was really helpful.
yea i thought about AMD as well... Ryzn 5 8400 or even 8500.
perhaps i should check the prices for that one. at least am5 is not dead like 1700

8400 and 8500 are the same generation as the 7000 series, both Zen 4. These are the monolithic dies that have an APU onboard, the F versions are chips without the graphics, but they still have the same limitations. Like only 8x PCIe lanes for additional graphics. Perfectly fine if you are sticking to the lower end 8x only GPUs.

So you give up some flexibility and expandability, but gain a potential onboard graphics solution that is okay. Normal 7000 series CPUs come with a small 2CU graphics adapter that is not suitable for more than a typical desktop experience.

 

[helper800]

th

is list is amazing. but right now i gave some of those parts.
like a above average cooler , a decent PSU 650w, and two NVME gen 3.
i believe this is the time to move to AMD, since Ai is not that useful

Thanks, I was just trying to give an Intel template, not a hard recommendation because we do not know exactly what you wanted.

 

[.valkyrie.]

8400 and 8500 are the same generation as the 7000 series, both Zen 4. These are the monolithic dies that have an APU onboard, the F versions are chips without the graphics, but they still have the same limitations. Like only 8x PCIe lanes for additional graphics. Perfectly fine if you are sticking to the lower end 8x only GPUs.

So you give up some flexibility and expandability, but gain a potential onboard graphics solution that is okay. Normal 7000 series CPUs come with a small 2CU graphics adapter that is not suitable for more than a typical desktop experience.

so your saying those 8400,8500 , just have 8x lane? but i saw F varrient on those model as well...
So , if we disable iGPU of none F varrient in BIOS, do we not get those extra 8lane back?

about 2CU, that something new, correct me if i'm wrong, but did you mean even F varrient on AMD , still can boot without a dedicated GPU? that's pretty cool


edit: just checking prices.
ryzen 8600g is around 150$
7600 = 150$
8500g is around 135
8400f is around 130

a620 minimum price is 73$
a620 with wifi is around 130$
b650 without wifi is start from 85$
and with wifi is 150$

comparing this price with asus prime h610 ma wifi + 13400 or 14400 (90+130~140$)

what would you say?

 

[.valkyrie.]

Thanks, I was just trying to give an Intel template, not a hard recommendation because we do not know exactly what you wanted.

I want a pc with NVME and windows 11 compatibility!
i believe anything like that can handle my casual gaming experience which is below 10-20 hour a Year!

p.s:
I don't know if this is the right thing to do or it cause a problem. but since November, i didn't use my D.GPU and because of that, i have disabled it in device manager and my pc is connected through HDMI port of my motherboard to the monitor of my pc.
basically i have a display cable coming out of my D.GPU and a HDMI from my motherboard. both are connected right now, and since D.gpu is disabled in device manager, then i get my desktop from intel iGPU. and why? because i hate the ON and OFF noise coming from fan of AMD gpu i have installed right now. now its completely silent.