Does anyone here report clones to the GM's?

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.....and if you did would you report these?

Harvey Birdman
Vanth Dreadstar
Michigan J. Frog

Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)
 
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"Magnus, Robot Fighter." <me@key.com> wrote in message
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|
| ....and if you did would you report these?
|
| Harvey Birdman
| Vanth Dreadstar
| Michigan J. Frog
|
| Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)

Michigan J. Frog is not a Superhero, and is fine to use, a shame the
emote don't allow a high-stepping Rockettes-type dance (along with missing a
silk Top Hat for the character design utility).

The other two represent legal issues, but I don't see them presented in
any other computer game (aside from Harvey Birdman's SWF games on the
CARTOON NETWORK website) previously.
 
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Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
> ....and if you did would you report these?

No, since I've never heard of them ;-)

> Harvey Birdman
> Vanth Dreadstar
> Michigan J. Frog
>
> Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)

--
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"Magnus, Robot Fighter." <me@key.com> wrote in
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>
>
> ....and if you did would you report these?
>
> Harvey Birdman
> Vanth Dreadstar
> Michigan J. Frog
>
> Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)

I only report harrasment and very wrong names (p*Ssy L1cker was one).

Allthough there have been chars that looked like they were made on a
black/white monitor (the after-image still hurts the retinas).

The devs play, and if they see something, they stop it pretty quick.

Just ask any of the over 100 GenericHero's that are running around out
there.
 
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:47:09 -0600, "Magnus, Robot Fighter."
<me@key.com> wrote:

>
>
>....and if you did would you report these?
>
>Harvey Birdman
>Vanth Dreadstar
>Michigan J. Frog
>
>Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)

Yes, I do. Of the first 3, I only know one. The last one is altered
enough to not be a clone.

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:06:44 -0500, "George Johnson"
<matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:

> Michigan J. Frog is not a Superhero, and is fine to use

Stop. Not being a superhero doesn't make it "fine to use". Trademarked
is trademarked.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:33:05 -0500, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>
wrote:

>Mostly I report Marvel Properties, since Marvel is already suing
>Cryptic/NCSoft over them.

Any new developments on that, by the way?

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"Magnus, Robot Fighter." <me@key.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> ....and if you did would you report these?
>
> Harvey Birdman
> Vanth Dreadstar
> Michigan J. Frog
>
> Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)

I actually don't know who these are supposed to refer to. Is Vanth
Dreadstar supposed to be Darth Vader? Uber Woman = Wonder Woman? I don't
report clones although I know I'm supposed to. I have a soft spot for
clones because they just make the CoH look a little more familiar to me. I
have reported a couple of indecent names - Rapist Kobe and UrBallsRonFire.
 
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"Andy Pear" <Andy_Pear@Spamhawk.com> wrote in message
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> "Magnus, Robot Fighter." <me@key.com> wrote in message
> news:eaeju0hanpqde3k0cm4drkfv5rdn753vbk@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> > ....and if you did would you report these?
> >
> > Harvey Birdman
> > Vanth Dreadstar
> > Michigan J. Frog
> >
> > Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)
>
> I actually don't know who these are supposed to refer to. Is Vanth
> Dreadstar supposed to be Darth Vader? Uber Woman = Wonder Woman? I don't
> report clones although I know I'm supposed to. I have a soft spot for
> clones because they just make the CoH look a little more familiar to me.
I
> have reported a couple of indecent names - Rapist Kobe and UrBallsRonFire.

Vanth Dreadstar was a Marvel Character from the 70's. Has nothing to do
with Darth Vader.

Blonde hair, gotee, energy powers, force sword.


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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:41:26 -0800, "Vorlonagent" <jt@otfresno.com>
wrote:

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>"Andy Pear" <Andy_Pear@Spamhawk.com> wrote in message
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>> "Magnus, Robot Fighter." <me@key.com> wrote in message
>> news:eaeju0hanpqde3k0cm4drkfv5rdn753vbk@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > ....and if you did would you report these?
>> >
>> > Harvey Birdman
>> > Vanth Dreadstar
>> > Michigan J. Frog
>> >
>> > Uber Woman (short blond hair...costume of primary colors)
>>
>> I actually don't know who these are supposed to refer to. Is Vanth
>> Dreadstar supposed to be Darth Vader? Uber Woman = Wonder Woman? I don't
>> report clones although I know I'm supposed to. I have a soft spot for
>> clones because they just make the CoH look a little more familiar to me.
>I
>> have reported a couple of indecent names - Rapist Kobe and UrBallsRonFire.
>
>Vanth Dreadstar was a Marvel Character from the 70's. Has nothing to do
>with Darth Vader.
>
>Blonde hair, gotee, energy powers, force sword.

Just for the record he's a character owned creation of Jim Starlin's.
So while yes, his use in COH is technically a copyright violation
(unless I got permission from or was Jim), only Jim Starlin could sue.

I get the feeling the GM's I've talked to with the character either
know that....or more likely just don't know who he is.
 
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Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote:
> Mostly I report Marvel Properties, since Marvel is already suing
> Cryptic/NCSoft over them.
>
> Yes, people are still being dicks and still making Marvel clones, and
> even if you explain that it's a violation and that cryptic is being
> sued because of that they just don't care.
> They want to play wolverine or whoever so they're going to and they
> don't give a damn who suffers because of it.

I don't think it has jack to do with people actually creating these
clones; it has to do with the ability to create such clones. Even if
there wasn't a single Wulverine or Spinnerman or whatever, Marvel would
have a bug up its corporate ass because someone COULD create these
characters.

It's bogus. But this is America, where anyone can sue anyone for
anything.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:23:41 -0000, Shenanigunner
<nsp@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote:

>Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote:
>> Mostly I report Marvel Properties, since Marvel is already suing
>> Cryptic/NCSoft over them.
>>
>> Yes, people are still being dicks and still making Marvel clones, and
>> even if you explain that it's a violation and that cryptic is being
>> sued because of that they just don't care.
>> They want to play wolverine or whoever so they're going to and they
>> don't give a damn who suffers because of it.
>
>I don't think it has jack to do with people actually creating these
>clones; it has to do with the ability to create such clones. Even if
>there wasn't a single Wulverine or Spinnerman or whatever, Marvel would
>have a bug up its corporate ass because someone COULD create these
>characters.
>
>It's bogus. But this is America, where anyone can sue anyone for
>anything.

Marvel *Has* to create these lawsuits. It's the only way they're going
to stay in business. Their movies won't be blockbusters forever, their
loan money is running out...and God knows their comics arn't keeping
them in business.
 
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"Andy Pear" <Andy_Pear@Spamhawk.com> wrote:
> I actually don't know who these are supposed to refer to. Is Vanth
> Dreadstar supposed to be Darth Vader? Uber Woman = Wonder Woman? I
> don't report clones although I know I'm supposed to. I have a soft
> spot for clones because they just make the CoH look a little more
> familiar to me. I have reported a couple of indecent names - Rapist
> Kobe and UrBallsRonFire.

I kind of laughted at You Wrecked'Em.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:24:31 -0000, Shenanigunner
<nsp@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote:

>"Andy Pear" <Andy_Pear@Spamhawk.com> wrote:
>> I actually don't know who these are supposed to refer to. Is Vanth
>> Dreadstar supposed to be Darth Vader? Uber Woman = Wonder Woman? I
>> don't report clones although I know I'm supposed to. I have a soft
>> spot for clones because they just make the CoH look a little more
>> familiar to me. I have reported a couple of indecent names - Rapist
>> Kobe and UrBallsRonFire.
>
>I kind of laughted at You Wrecked'Em.

I thought about making a long haired blond guy called You're Thor?
 
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"Dark Tyger" <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:06:44 -0500, "George Johnson"
| <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:
|
| > Michigan J. Frog is not a Superhero, and is fine to use
|
| Stop. Not being a superhero doesn't make it "fine to use". Trademarked
| is trademarked.

We're talking about a GAME.
Resell would meet with lawyer-flinging response from Warner
Brothers/AOL/Time/Octopus.

As far as I know, there are no "Superhero" incarnations of "Michigan J.
Frog" and "City of Heroes" has no capacity to duplicate "Michigan J. Frog"
to the level that someone would be confused by this version and WB's.


http://www.tvacres.com/reptiles_cartoon.htm
Michigan J. Frog - Warbling cartoon frog and mascot for the WB (Warner
Brothers) cable network launched January 11, 1995. Michigan J. Frog first
appeared in the 1955 animated cartoon One Froggy Evening about a disheveled
construction worker who found a box in a cornerstone of a 1892 building that
is being demolished. When he opened the box out popped a green frog who
produced a top hat and cane and began to dance and sing "Hello My Baby" at
the top of his lungs. Seeing the potential for an instant fortune, the
construction worker took the frog to the Acme Theatrical Agency but the frog
refused to perform for anyone except the construction worker. Frustrated and
driven nearly mad at his inability to get the frog to sing for anyone else,
the construction worker redeposited the frog back into the cornerstone of a
new building (which was found by another construction worker years later who
also saw dollar signs when the frog began to sing). Other songs in the frogs
repertoire included "I'm Just Wild About Harry," "Come Back to Erin,"
"Please Don't Talk About Me When I'm Gone," and an original tune written by
Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese called "The Michigan Rag" which began
"Everybody's doing the Michigan Rag." Baritone Terrence Monck provided the
frog's voice. Artist Chuck Jones later named the frog Michigan J. Frog. In
1973 film critic Jay Cocks proclaimed that this animated short "comes as
close as any cartoon ever has to perfection.

http://www.toonopedia.com/michigan.htm
MICHIGAN J. FROG
Medium: Theatrical animation
Produced by: Warner Bros.
First Appeared: 1955
Creators: Chuck Jones and Michael Maltese

Not many characters achieve lasting fame just from having appeared in a
single six-minute cartoon. In fact, Michigan J. Frog may be the only one.

The Frog was not a star when Warner Bros.' One Froggy Evening (which was
written by Michael Maltese and directed by Chuck Jones) premiered on
December 31, 1955. In fact, that was the point - his spectacular song and
dance routines were seen by only one person.

And nobody expected him to become a star, either. Even his name was given to
him only in retrospect - in the cartoon itself, neither he nor his tormented
victim had names. His last name is from his body type, his first from "The
Michigan Rag" (the one song that Maltese wrote especially for him), and his
middle from the fact that unless evidence exists to the contrary, all
cartoon characters are considered to have J. for a middle initial.

What's more, nobody even knows who did his voice - and no, despite the
"certain knowledge" of many cartoon buffs, it was not Thurl Ravenscroft
(Tony the Tiger, "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch"). Jones cast the part
simply by asking Warner Bros. for a baritone, and they responded by sending
over one of many singers working for them. By the time anyone realized
people would someday be interested in credits for this sort of thing,
everyone had forgotten the man's name.

Despite the instant popularity and definite appeal of the character, Warner
Bros. made no additional cartoons with him. What would be the point? His
story was told, and it required no sequels. But - no matter how little he
needed one, any character that well remembered is bound to be revived by a
new generation of cartoonists. Michigan appeared in two 1990 episodes of
Tiny Toon Adventures - Turtle Hurdle and Class Cut-up. In 1995, Jones
himself revived him in Another Froggy Evening. His first appearance remains
his best - but Class Cut-up, where he played Hamton Pig's dissection frog,
was a clever use of the character.

In more recent years, a look-alike has masqueraded as Michigan J. Frog,
acting as host of the Warner television network. A look-alike also appeared
in an episode of The Simpsons, hosting a tribute to Krusty the Clown. But of
course, that can't be the real Michigan, who does not perform before an
audience.

Michigan J. Frog has never appeared in comic books or on lunch boxes (tho he
did grace the cover of Leon Redbone's first album, which came out in 1975).
Despite modern attempts, there is really only the one cartoon. It says
everything about the character that needs to be said.
 
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:53:59 -0500, "George Johnson"
<matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:

>"Dark Tyger" <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:06:44 -0500, "George Johnson"
>| <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:
>|
>| > Michigan J. Frog is not a Superhero, and is fine to use
>|
>| Stop. Not being a superhero doesn't make it "fine to use". Trademarked
>| is trademarked.
>
> We're talking about a GAME.

And? Trademark violations are trademark violations.

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"Dark Tyger" <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:53:59 -0500, "George Johnson"
| <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:
|
| >"Dark Tyger" <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote in message
| >news:nlimu05qcbrs9410gadjjt8kni311ie4vv@4ax.com...
| >| On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:06:44 -0500, "George Johnson"
| >| <matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:
| >|
| >| > Michigan J. Frog is not a Superhero, and is fine to use
| >|
| >| Stop. Not being a superhero doesn't make it "fine to use". Trademarked
| >| is trademarked.
| >
| > We're talking about a GAME.
|
| And? Trademark violations are trademark violations.

Nope.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/business/0,39023166,20278554,00.htm
Beatles group sues Apple over trademark


Now if the user decided to try to SELL this "Michigan J. Frog" character
there would be an issue.
At the moment, it honestly is not an issue.
Granted a lawyer could cause annoyance over it, but since "Michigan J.
Frog" has never been a superhero there is no room for distinction. The
troubling issue would be the UNIQUENESS of the name itself (versus a
character named "Scrubbing Bubbles" or "Billy Bass" whom have more generic
names).
Since at the moment the player is not attempting to SELL the character,
there is no real room for dispute unless the player decides to act in a
defamitory manner to Time/Warner/HugeConMegloCorps/AOL animated product
"Michigan J. Frog".




http://www.iusmentis.com/trademarks/crashcourse/rights/
Crash course on trademarks: The protection offered by trademark law

Contrary to popular belief, a trademark does not give its holder a monopoly
on the word, phrase, shape or color as such. Trademark rights are typically
granted on the basis of a registration. Part of the registration is an
indication of the goods and services that the trademark should protect. Only
commercial use of the trademark for those classes of goods and services can
be restricted by the trademark holder. Non-commercial use cannot be
prevented, except if that use harms the distinctiveness of the trademark.


What uses can be trademark infringement

A trademark is an exclusive right, which means that it gives its holder the
right to exclude (stop) others from using the mark. As the main aim of
trademark law is to prevent unfair competition, the exclusive right is
restricted to use in commerce. There are several different situations in
which somebody else might be infringing on a trademark. He could be using it
to sell the same types of products or services, or to sell slightly
different products, or for totally different products, or maybe for a
totally different reason.



Use for similar goods or services

The most common type of trademark infringement probably occurs when somebody
else sells a product or service under a name that in some way resembles a
registered trademark, and the products in question are the same or similar
to the registered products. For example, somebody might be publishing a
website under the same name as a trademarked name of a journal.

The main criterion here is whether the name of the product is confusingly
similar to the trademark. If they are, then potential buyers might
accidentally buy the wrong product, and that is exactly the kind of
situation that trademark law was designed to prevent. Similarity in itself
is not sufficient, the trademark holder must prove that there is a chance of
confusion.

Determining whether two things are confusingly similar is very complex. The
label of the product in question must be compared to the trademark as a
whole. Even if certain elements do correspond (for example the same type of
graphical symbols are used, and the various elements are arranged in a
similar way) the total impression might still be different. And it is the
total impression that is important, because consumers will rarely pay
attention to details when making a selection of a product.

The starting point should be the average, informed, cautious and attentive
ordinary consumer who is confronted with the allegedly infringing product. A
comparison is then made of the degree of visible, auditive and comprehensive
similarity between the label on the product and the trademark as registered.
The appearance of the trademark on the original product is irrelevant. The
exclusive rights are granted based on the trademark, and so it is the
trademark itself that must be compared against the allegedly infringing
product.

Two products are considered similar if the public would be of the opinion
that the services or goods in question are of the same company or of
economically linked companies. So, for example the public would not normally
expect a company that makes photocameras to also sell potatoes. A potato
distributor could therefore use the trademark Kodak for his potatoes,
without the photo company being able to do anything about it. Of course, the
more famous a trademark becomes, the bigger the chance that the public's
opinion would change. The trademark Coca Cola for example appears on many
different products, ranging from T-shirts to duvets. Given this information,
the public would easily think that somebody selling pillows with the Coca
Cola trademark on it had something to do with the Coca Cola company. Based
on this, the trademark holder can act against such use of his trademark.

Another important question is how distinctive the mark is. The more
distinctive a trademark is, the bigger the chance that confusion can occur.



Use for different goods or services

The registration of a trademark includes an indication of the goods or
services which it is intended to protect. This means that, in principle,
others are free to use the trademark for other goods or services. However,
there are some exceptions. As explained earlier, a trademark always runs the
risk that it loses its distinctive character, which could mean that the
trademark at some point is annulled.

It is also an infringement if the use of the mark is such that it harms the
trademark holder in an unfair way. The reputation or image that he has built
could suffer from somebody elses use of the mark. For example, the Dutch
holder of the trademark King (who makes peppermints) was able to
successfully stop someone else from selling condoms under the same
trademark.
[more at website]
 
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:08:02 -0500, "George Johnson"
<matrix29@voyager.net> wrote:

> Now if the user decided to try to SELL this "Michigan J. Frog" character
>there would be an issue.
> At the moment, it honestly is not an issue.

The player isn't the one we should be looking at. CRYPTIC is SELLING
the player the ability to use and violate the trademark.

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>> Now if the user decided to try to SELL this "Michigan J. Frog"
character
>> there would be an issue.
>> At the moment, it honestly is not an issue.
>
> The player isn't the one we should be looking at. CRYPTIC is SELLING
> the player the ability to use and violate the trademark.

Not really.
 
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On 17 Jan 2005 21:09:06 -0800, "The Black Guardian" <blakgard@aol.com>
wrote:

>>> Now if the user decided to try to SELL this "Michigan J. Frog"
>character
>>> there would be an issue.
>>> At the moment, it honestly is not an issue.
>>
>> The player isn't the one we should be looking at. CRYPTIC is SELLING
>> the player the ability to use and violate the trademark.
>
>Not really.

If they didn't enforce the rules against copycat names and/or
characters, yes really.

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>>>> Now if the user decided to try to SELL this "Michigan J. Frog"
>>>> character there would be an issue.
>>>> At the moment, it honestly is not an issue.
>>>
>>> The player isn't the one we should be looking at. CRYPTIC is
SELLING
>>> the player the ability to use and violate the trademark.
>>
>> Not really.
>
> If they didn't enforce the rules against copycat names and/or
> characters, yes really.

There's not even any guarantee that trademark/copyright protection
extends that far. But I guess we'll see.
 
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"Vorlonagent" <jt@otfresno.com> wrote:
> Say I build a scrapper that 100% resembes Wolverine. Even call him
> "Wolverine".

You are immediately in violation of trademark and copyright. Period. This
is inarguable. If my word as editor and publisher isn't good enough, ask
a patent attorney.

One of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of patent, trademark, and
copyright is that it is NO LESS a violation to make a copy for yourself
than it is to make one for sale or other financial gain.Selling a
patented/copyrighted/trademarked item only compounds the legal breach of
making it in the first place.

None of which makes Marvel's suit any less idiotic, in this instance, as
long as the GMs maintain vigilance to keep the number of infringing
clones to the reasonable minimum - none at all for more than few levels.

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"Shenanigunner" <nsp@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote in message
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> "Vorlonagent" <jt@otfresno.com> wrote:
> > Say I build a scrapper that 100% resembes Wolverine. Even call him
> > "Wolverine".
>
> You are immediately in violation of trademark and copyright. Period. This
> is inarguable. If my word as editor and publisher isn't good enough, ask
> a patent attorney.

Wow.

You don't want any time to think that over? :)


> One of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of patent, trademark, and
> copyright is that it is NO LESS a violation to make a copy for yourself
> than it is to make one for sale or other financial gain.Selling a
> patented/copyrighted/trademarked item only compounds the legal breach of
> making it in the first place.

Interesting.


> None of which makes Marvel's suit any less idiotic, in this instance, as
> long as the GMs maintain vigilance to keep the number of infringing
> clones to the reasonable minimum - none at all for more than few levels.

Yes. Suing because of something that *might* happen.



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"Vorlonagent" <jt@otfresno.com> wrote:
>> One of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of patent, trademark,
>> and copyright is that it is NO LESS a violation to make a copy for
>> yourself than it is to make one for sale or other financial
>> gain.Selling a patented/copyrighted/trademarked item only compounds
>> the legal breach of making it in the first place.

> Interesting.

And a complete mystery to most netizens who just don't understand (and
can't seem to be made to understand) why copying books, music, movies, etc.
all over the place pisses off the owners and their agents. And is illegal.
And is wrong on a number of levels. And is the basis for some of the most
specious and convoluted rationalizations since I dunno when.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:25:35 -0000, Shenanigunner
<nsp@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote:

> And a complete mystery to most netizens who just don't understand
> (and can't seem to be made to understand) why copying books, music,
> movies, etc. all over the place pisses off the owners and their
> agents. And is illegal. And is wrong on a number of levels. And is
> the basis for some of the most specious and convoluted
> rationalizations since I dunno when.

Technically, copying books, music, movies, etc. is perfectly legal
under certain conditions (known as "fair use"). If you tape a show
off TV for your own personal use, this is "time-shifting" and was held
to be a legal use in Sony vs Betamax. Likewise, if you make a backup
copy of something for your own use, and destroy or transfer the backup
copy at the same time you transfer the original copy to someone else,
for instance; this is "space-shifting" and was held to be a legitimate
use in the RIAA vs Diamond case.

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