Does the AMD Phenom II X4 955 work for autocad 3d

[akkad]

Hello, does the AMD Phenom II X4 955 work for autocad 3d?

 

[henydiah]

yes working , but you need VGA PRO like FirePro or Nvidia Quadro it good and fast for rendering.

 

[theDanijel]

No problem, I have the same CPU im my PC and I use 3ds max and autoCAD without any dificulties...
Onyl be sure to have enough RAM and good enough descrete graphics card

 

[Lutfij]

RAM - You'll need a good amount of it. CPU - you could get an AMD x4 955BE but the i3-2100 easily trumps that...trust me, this is coming from a student of architecture using all kinds of rendering apps.

Firepro or quatro's are specially designed to take/share the load off the cpu. Will set you back a few quids but is worth the extra cash dropping.

Just remember, spending on a Gaming GPU like the ati HD 4xxx, 5xxx or 6xxx series is a total waste of money. They are built only for gaming. Using them for 3D work will only utilize a fraction of the gpu you have.

CUDA enabled GPU's from Nvidia are a little better on the otherhand. Here's why

 

[simon12]

1920 x 1200

1680 x 1050

This is high settings for ultra and others see http://www.techspot.com/review/305-starcraft2-performance/
These are PC benchmarks and would guess it runs differently on a MAC but should give you an idea

 

[simon12]

sorry I posted in the wrong browser tab apologies

 

[americanbrian]

The i3 would be better because AutoCAD is not optimised for multi-threading. Therefore single thread clock speed is the most important.

I splurged on a quad core only to find this out and was pretty pissed off.

 

[akkad]

Wow, thanks guys! So far you are the best forums out there, so I will post my whole issue in a new thread and link it here. Thanks again.

@lutfij Please check out the new thread, you read my mind about the gaming issue, but how do you figure that the i3 trumps the X4? I was planning on the Saphire 6850! How do I know which processors have CUDA?

@simon12 The link you gave me helped changed my mind about Intel AMD thing, Why would someone get an AMD????

@henydiah Whats VGA pro and quadro?

@americanbrian Wow, are you sure? Does that mean that the quad core is semi useless for autocad 3d or what?

@theDanijel Ok, great

Apologies for the nooby questions, learning alot from this PC hunt! haha

 

[akkad]

The thread is http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314896-31-help-autocad-gaming-build-budget <3

 

[henydiah]

Hey ,
- vga proffesional is nvidia quadro / amd firepro ussualy for rendering, maya, autocad, 3D, lab, design etc but NOT FOR GAME ( PRICE VERY EXPENSIIVE)

- vga Geforce / Radeon use for overclock, gaming, play movie, internet, the radeon (AMD) and Geforce(Nvidia) also can be used for rendering, autocad, video edit, maya but very very slow when ran render and encoding.

 

[akkad]

Hey ,
- vga proffesional is nvidia quadro / amd firepro ussualy for rendering, maya, autocad, 3D, lab, design etc but NOT FOR GAME ( PRICE VERY EXPENSIIVE)

- vga Geforce / Radeon use for overclock, gaming, play movie, internet, the radeon (AMD) and Geforce(Nvidia) also can be used for rendering, autocad, video edit, maya but very very slow when ran render and encoding.

http://fireuser.com/images/uploads/specview_perf_maya_8750v5870.gif

Ok, thank you. Thats clears it up well. I think I will go with the cheap gaming ones and use it for Autocad, good idea?

 

[henydiah]

if AUTOCAD not as a daily job, I think it's also nice to use a VGA Gaming

 

[akkad]

if AUTOCAD not as a daily job, I think it's also nice to use a VGA Gaming

Ok great
Can you help with my other issues please?

 

[king smp]

RAM - You'll need a good amount of it. CPU - you could get an AMD x4 955BE but the i3-2100 easily trumps that...trust me, this is coming from a student of architecture using all kinds of rendering apps.

Firepro or quatro's are specially designed to take/share the load off the cpu. Will set you back a few quids but is worth the extra cash dropping.

Just remember, spending on a Gaming GPU like the ati HD 4xxx, 5xxx or 6xxx series is a total waste of money. They are built only for gaming. Using them for 3D work will only utilize a fraction of the gpu you have.

CUDA enabled GPU's from Nvidia are a little better on the otherhand. Here's why

Actually as far as my understanding goes

Quatro and FirePro are actually same core as the gaming GPUS
but have a different set of drivers optimized for OpenGL which is what most renderers rely on
You can actually run some Quatro/Firepro drivers on the equilavent gaming CPU core

Nvidia has CUDA and I believe Open CL
while
AMD/ATI has ATI Stream and OpenCL
which are both ways of offloading parallel optimized code to the GPU

For example I use CyberLink Power Director 9 which uses ATI Stream and the GPU shares
the encoding with the CPU
DVD Fab will also work with ATI Stream

Nvidia CUDA does have more apps that take advantage of it than AMD Stream
CUDA has more software development that ATI Stream
due to NVidia focusing earlier than AMD on this tech

Hopefully AMD and Nvidia will agree on OpenCL which is an open source API project
and this way their will be a mutual standard reached
Really AMD and Nvidia using competing standards for GPU offload processing is actually hurting both of them

refer to
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/TECHNOLOGIES/STREAM-TECHNOLOGY/Pages/stream-technology.aspx

 

[aznshinobi]

Haha looks like everyones got you, akkad I'm not to good on this kind of rendering subject. Only things like CS(X), Editing (Photo/Video), basics etc. But not productions haha.

 

[akkad]

Actually as far as my understanding goes

Quatro and FirePro are actually same core as the gaming GPUS
but have a different set of drivers optimized for OpenGL which is what most renderers rely on
You can actually run some Quatro/Firepro drivers on the equilavent gaming CPU core

Nvidia has CUDA and I believe Open CL
while
AMD/ATI has ATI Stream and OpenCL
which are both ways of offloading parallel optimized code to the GPU

For example I use CyberLink Power Director 9 which uses ATI Stream and the GPU shares
the encoding with the CPU
DVD Fab will also work with ATI Stream

Nvidia CUDA does have more apps that take advantage of it than AMD Stream
CUDA has more software development that ATI Stream
due to NVidia focusing earlier than AMD on this tech

Hopefully AMD and Nvidia will agree on OpenCL which is an open source API project
and this way their will be a mutual standard reached
Really AMD and Nvidia using competing standards for GPU offload processing is actually hurting both of them

refer to
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/TECHNOLOGIES/STREAM-TECHNOLOGY/Pages/stream-technology.aspx

Thanks. I think I will go with CUDA cause autocad uses it.

 

[akkad]

Haha looks like everyones got you, akkad I'm not to good on this kind of rendering subject. Only things like CS(X), Editing (Photo/Video), basics etc. But not productions haha.

Lol, yes they are doing a very good job helping me in this subject, but the message I sent you was supposed to send you to http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314896-31-help-autocad-gaming-build-budget , thats the main thread Can you help me there please?

 

[Wisecracker]

Thanks. I think I will go with CUDA cause autocad uses it.

You need a Quadro workstation card for 'CUDA' -- and I would be very careful with claims concerning 'CUDA' and AutoCAD.

AutoCAD regeneration is OpenGL based, and I suspect CUDA optimizations to have minimal impact over and above the standard performance gains seen from FireGL/Quadro workstation drivers.

 

[akkad]

You need a Quadro workstation card for 'CUDA' -- and I would be very careful with claims concerning 'CUDA' and AutoCAD.

AutoCAD regeneration is OpenGL based, and I suspect CUDA optimizations to have minimal impact over and above the standard performance gains seen from FireGL/Quadro workstation drivers.

Oh God. Things are so complicated. So now CUDA is of little (no) use, especially because of the price difference. What do you think I should do?

 

[Lutfij]

sorry to drop in so late - was caught up with some travelling

how much dya have to spend on your rig?

Recommendations?
Nvidia cuda workstation with a P67 mobo and minimum 8GB of ram.
An ssd and of course a god quality 600W PSU to power that (intended) rig.

Though the real deal breaking question is - will you want to setup an sli system? cos most(if not all) workstation mobo's have multiple PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots to help accommodate quatro or firepro cards

e.g:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67_WS_Revolution/

though its a dieing socket -
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/09/asus_p6x58e_ws_workstation_motherboard_review/

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Motherboards/ASUS-P6T7-and-P7P55-WS-Workstation-Motherboards

hope this helps

 

[akkad]

sorry to drop in so late - was caught up with some travelling

how much dya have to spend on your rig?

Recommendations?
Nvidia cuda workstation with a P67 mobo and minimum 8GB of ram.
An ssd and of course a god quality 600W PSU to power that (intended) rig.

Though the real deal breaking question is - will you want to setup an sli system? cos most(if not all) workstation mobo's have multiple PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots to help accommodate quatro or firepro cards

e.g:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67_WS_Revolution/

though its a dieing socket -
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/09/asus_p6x58e_ws_workstation_motherboard_review/

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Motherboards/ASUS-P6T7-and-P7P55-WS-Workstation-Motherboards

http://pcper.com/images/reviews/864/p6t7-1.jpg

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1303592599Wq682eb68Y_1_7_l.jpg

hope this helps

Thanks, hope your travels were fun or at least productive

My budget is around 700-800, read the starting thread

I think the workstation is just too expensive? I was thinking a regular high end pc? I don't know

 

[Lutfij]

high end pc - ok.
expensive - you ever heard of occupational hazard? if you want to run autocad and the likes of autodesk products that are ram and cpu hungry, then the workstation route will seal a good clean path for you and your works to come

when you set a render - the first gen i7's smash everything they are given. Look a step down - the Q9550 i have can also do a good job cos of the 12mb cache iot has onboard.

compare it to the 2nd gen i5/i7 - then you have cheap, cool and efficiant cpu's that churn out wonderful renders in short time. This means you can have higher detailed renders more eye candy - more lients to aid in your funding

mobo's;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131725&cm_re=ws-_-13-131-725-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131714

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131715&cm_re=ws-_-13-131-715-_-Product

CPU's;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=i5-2500K-_-19-115-072-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078&cm_re=i3-2100-_-19-115-078-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211&cm_re=i7--_-19-115-211-_-Product

Ram;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226188&cm_re=8GB_2000-_-20-226-188-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208574&cm_re=8GB_2000-_-20-208-574-_-Product

PSU;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016&Tpk=xfx%20750

HDD;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284&cm_re=WD_black-_-22-136-284-_-Product

Case;
erm - dunno depends on how you'll have it lying around- around clients or your home?

I haven't calculated it but i think i've managed within the budget...oh wait the card right?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=firepro&x=0&y=0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133273&cm_re=nvidia_quadro-_-14-133-273-_-Product

:wow: i forgot they cost that much lol - i had a friend who asked me to look at a rig similar to yours - though now i do remember telling him of the firepro's abd that the card swallowed half his wallet

sorry for sounding like a marketing major/milk man

 

[Lutfij]

i also included a P67 WS config - though i did mention that the 1366 is a dead socket now...just surviving by a thread so thas why I aint for the X58 route.

 

[akkad]

really a LGA 1366 reccommendation?

Thanks guys, but thats just too much, way over the budget....

 

[aznshinobi]

Haha Akkad, I can't help you here either. No matter what you want me to do I'm just not familiar with autocad. But yes the 955 could do it.