[SOLVED] doubts to upgrade my system to Gaming PC VR ready

[Toni Vicente]

Approximate Purchase Date: This year?

Budget Range: 600€-1200€ Final price in Spain.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, VR, stream, mods-game design, office.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: The necessary.

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon España, PCcomponentes, other.

Location: Spain

Parts Preferences: No asus or ATI. I like MSI, Gigabyte, but I can see others.

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments:

Hello,

I have doubts about updating my pc.
My current setting is the one that appears in my signature.

1. I don't know whether to take the following configuration:
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/user/Spark2333333/saved/Z6nNP6

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€324.89 @ Amazon Espana)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€50.65 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€119.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€257.35 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €752.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-21 10:43 CEST+0200

And GTX 1660 SUPER and upgrade in the future?

2. Or wait until June and get a B550 (compat ryzen 4000, PCI-e Gen 4 and m.2)

3. Or update only the graphics card 1660 SUPER for example, and in the future maybe take a next generation RTX and a ryzen 4000, but it would take a year to launch, plus almost another year for a price drop. It may be that a friend could give me 16gb of ram but is not sure (KHX1600C10D381/8G).

I also do not know what to do with the parts of my current pc, it can be difficult to sell them with the expected economic prospects and the parts so obsolete. In any case I do not know what price could have graphics, motherboard, processor + refrigerator + memory.

At the moment I play at 1080 75Hz by the specifications of my monitor, I do not think it would have a problem if I update the graphics card+monitor in playing at higher resolutions or VR.

Thanks!!

 

[Phaaze88]

1)From what I'm seeing HERE, and in some other VR build guides, the gpu is the part you don't skimp on if you can help it.
Probably better to upgrade the gpu and psu first, then do the cpu/mobo/ram later.

2)Unfortunately, I have to answer this one with a question: What does B550 offer that B450 doesn't already do well?
-Ryzen 4000? B450 will support it with a bios update: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000-desktop-cpus-socket-motherboard
-PCI-e Gen 4? Sure, If you plan to run only SSDs for storage, use an NIC or Thunderbolt card... otherwise, you'll see no real benefit.
-M.2 speeds? You'll notice it in benchmarks...

3)Continuing from my 1st answer:
-an RTX 2060 or 2070 instead. Their pricing is a good deal better than their Super variants at the moment. That'll likely change later.
-a new 550 - 650w psu: Corsair TXM Gold 550 or Corsair RM 650, for example.
-that extra memory may, or may not get along with the memory currently in your system. Adding on, or mixing memory is a literal dice roll.

4)You could sell the parts individually, or maybe pass it on as a hand-me-down.
Simply check and compare pricing of 2nd hand parts online and go from there...

 

[Toni Vicente]

- Hi,
Then you recommend me upgrade gpu and psu first? I don't understand well what option is best.
PSU is mandatory? I wanted to reuse my psu to save money, Isn’t good brand but it's 80 bronce.

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-CP-9020194-EU
Or
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...d-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-gx-650
?


- About memory, (I wrote 32gb, but they are 16gb at least I think that 16gb is ok) is best take in count that ryzen prefere more mhz?
MSI web/pcpartpicker

G.SKILL

F4-4000C18D-16GTZKW

2133MHz

4000MHz

4000 MHz

Samsung 5WB

1.35v

SINGLE

8

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...-2-x-8gb-ddr4-4000-memory-f4-4000c18d-16gtzkw

G.SKILL

F4-3600C16D-16GTZ

2133MHz

3600MHz

3600 MHz

Samsung

1.35v

SINGLE

8

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzrc
*note that msi web compatibility memory indicate GTZ not gtzrc ¿?¿?

G.SKILL

F4-3600C16D-16GTZ

2133MHz

3600MHz

3600 MHz

Samsung

1.35v

SINGLE

8

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtznc
*note that msi web compatibility memory indicate GTZ not gtznc ¿?¿?

Or the top recommended memory is 3600Mhz because 3700x is a 3.6ghz cpu? Then z-neo, z.rgb, other affordable option?


- About Graphic cards, I see only a difference of 15€-20€ between Super no super model:

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...2070-8gb-windforce-video-card-gv-n2070wf3-8gc 551,99€

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...-windforce-oc-3x-video-card-gv-n207swf3oc-8gd 565.54€

Im thinking about upgrade to something that meets the recommended requirements of last games and in two or three years upgrade to a rtx 3000 series or similar, but what transition gpu I must select?

I would like to read more argued options from others users, I really appreciate that you were the only one who answered me, thank you.

 

[Phaaze88]

1)The psu is the most important part of the PC. You should avoid going too cheap here, even if it's not as exciting as everything else.
I tried to find reviews on your current psu, and all I found was this Reddit thread: View: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3ubx3l/aerocool_templarius_imperator_550w_psu_good_or_bad/

Either psu you listed will be a nice replacement.

2)You sure 16GBs will be ok? Aren't mods heavy on ram usage? I'm not sure.
For Ryzen 3000, it's memory speed UPTO 3733mhz. Above that, and performance stagnates.
The top recommended memory is 3600mhz because it usually isn't too much more than 3200mhz. But memory prices change often.

3)Not a large difference between those 2 cards. I don't think it'd hurt to get the Super.

4)With Nvidia, it's usually - USUALLY - stepped down to the next 10. Example: GTX 980 > GTX 1070 > RTX 2060

 

[Toni Vicente]

Ok, I think that I get it.
To a long durable PC (only RTX GPU in 3-4 years and may be a nvme)

What you think?
I chaged from 650w to 750w because actually there are 10€ difference between the two.
Basically the differences are RAM 16gb vs 32gb and M.B B450 vs X570.

A:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€313.72 @ Amazon Espana)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€50.65 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€119.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€133.82 @ Alternate)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card (€249.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€115.17 @ PC Componentes)
Total: €983.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-26 12:05 CEST+0200

B:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€313.72 @ Amazon Espana)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€50.65 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€173.85 @ PC Componentes)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€133.82 @ Alternate)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card (€249.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€115.17 @ PC Componentes)
Total: €1037.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-26 12:05 CEST+0200

C:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€314.17 @ Electronicamente)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€50.65 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (€173.85 @ PC Componentes)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€220.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card (€249.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€114.59 @ PC Componentes)
Total: €1123.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-26 22:45 CEST+0200

 

[Phaaze88]

D:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€315.79 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (€119.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€121.15 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB VENTUS GP Video Card (€455.15 @ PC Componentes)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€110.59 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €1122.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-26 16:06 CEST+0200
Roll with the Ryzen stock cooler. If you not satisfied with it, THEN replace it. Your current case doesn't appear to be starved for airflow either, so the stock one should do fine.

 

[Toni Vicente]

Hi again!

Why B450 vs x570 If in the future I could benefit of pci-e 4 if I decide update with a nvme?
About GPU I prefer wait for more improvements in RTX tech and games using it before buy a first generation (2000 series)

I searched 32gb but it is a bit expensive €291 vs €220 g.skill, any recommendation or I go for that g,skill?
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...3600-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4bl?history_days=730

Thank you for your help!

 

[Phaaze88]

Why B450 vs x570 If in the future I could benefit of pci-e 4 if I decide update with a nvme?

Short version: with your priority being gaming, you won't notice the benefits over PCIE Gen 3 where it matters most - and no, benchmarks don't count.
It's the professionals who reap the benefits of it. Everyone else pursuing an X570 just for Gen 4 is wasting their money.

About GPU I prefer wait for more improvements in RTX tech and games using it before buy a first generation (2000 series)

?
I didn't understand the way you worded this one.

I searched 32gb but it is a bit expensive €291 vs €220 g.skill, any recommendation or I go for that g,skill?
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product...3600-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4bl?history_days=730

Not sure why you suddenly changed to 32GB, but okay - either one of the 2 below:

Memory Comparison

es.pcpartpicker.com

 

[Toni Vicente]

Short version: with your priority being gaming, you won't notice the benefits over PCIE Gen 3 where it matters most - and no, benchmarks don't count.
It's the professionals who reap the benefits of it. Everyone else pursuing an X570 just for Gen 4 is wasting their money.

I was concerning about PCI-shared bandwidth and future ryzen 4000/5000... upgrades.
Certainly now think the ryzen 3700x can last a long time and there's no need to upgrade it.
Then the shared PCI-e bandwidth will not be a problem, Thank you!!

About GPU I prefer wait for more improvements in RTX tech and games using it before buy a first generation (2000 series)
?

I didn't understand the way you worded this one.

I'm sorry, english isn't my mother tongue and sometimes I make a mess.
I not want a RTX because is first generation of ray tracing tech, there are few games using it and it's a little expensive now. But in 3 or 4 years I want upgrade to that tech because probably it will be more polished and will be more common in games.

Not sure why you suddenly changed to 32GB, but okay - either one of the 2 below:

Memory Comparison

es.pcpartpicker.com

Because your second post recommendation and thinking in long term (was my option C).

Thank you very much for your help!!

 

[Phaaze88]

I'm sorry, english isn't my mother tongue and sometimes I make a mess.
I not want a RTX because is first generation of ray tracing tech, there are few games using it and it's a little expensive now. But in 3 or 4 years I want upgrade to that tech because probably it will be more polished and will be more common in games.

Ah, got it.
I think they launched it a little early, but I guess someone had to start it.