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Why_Me

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So your saying I'm making the buyer's mistake of going with a three year old CPU (10700k) instead of going with a 12700k to fit in with everyone else? all tho I have thought about going with AMDs CPUs if I can't make up my mind with which Intel i7 CPU im going with... BTW are AMD CPUs cheaper than Intel CPUs?
I've posted multiple links including a video of gaming benchmarks on here. And no AMD cpu's are not cheaper than Intel cpu's including Intel's new Alder Lake cpu's.
 

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Yea, sorry I tried to find a creative title for this post, but couldn't so that's where the "Dream PC" came from and I'd have thought a i7 10700k is still relative but I get an i7 6800k out of date, So I think I'll try to get a i7 8700k instead...
Why do you want 2 pc's? For 2000 dollars you can build a pretty good up to date pc with good graphics. Which you could use remotely via your laptop if you want another machine elsewhere.
 
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Why do you want 2 pc's? For 2000 dollars you can build a pretty good up to date pc with good graphics. Which you could use remotely via your laptop if you want another machine elsewhere.
I already have three displays so I wanted to use them, plus I don't like using a laptop for long term... the current "laptop" i have is an old HP netbook from 2012 era of PCs i5 2450m and HD 3000 Graphics, bleh so outdated, Plus if I had the other PC it could be a backup for when the main system goes down either to malware or trojans etc... or when a critical component fails I'll won't be waiting X amount of days to get it fixed. Also running three displays on a Gigabyte branded GPU or any GPU really isn't good long term... I learned that the hard way :(
 

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I already have three displays so I wanted to use them, plus I don't like using a laptop for long term... the current "laptop" i have is an old HP netbook from 2012 era of PCs i5 2450m and HD 3000 Graphics, bleh so outdated, Plus if I had the other PC it could be a backup for when the main system goes down either to malware or trojans etc... or when a critical component fails I'll won't be waiting X amount of days to get it fixed. Also running three displays on a Gigabyte branded GPU or any GPU really isn't good long term... I learned that the hard way :(
would say gigabyte are in the top 3 graphics card manufacturers. A decent gpu isn't gonna have no trouble running 3 displays either. I have not had any malware or virus problems since the launch of Windows 10. It's built in security is pretty solid these days. That and watching what websites you visit is gonna keep you covered in that department. 1500 us would get you a nice 12 gen Intel pc with a decent graphics card when they are available. Maybe the remaining 500 could get you a lower range cpu mb and memory bundle just incase something goes wrong in the future. Old tech isn't the sort of thing you wanna be spending 2k! Or another option ebay is flooded with unwanted servers and workstations atm. You could by 2 workstations packing plenty of power for around 600.
 
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I was looking into PCs that are built but they are missing the GPU so that would cut down the price.... but I was looking to get that "backup" PC with either a i7 6700k or a i7 8700k that needs some help since I don't like using Mechaincal HDDs for Gaming... I'd rather go all SSD based just incase of the mechanical HDD fails. Also is a 6th gen i7 still able to game?
 

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So your saying I'm making the buyer's mistake of going with a three year old CPU (10700k) instead of going with a 12700k to fit in with everyone else? all tho I have thought about going with AMDs CPUs if I can't make up my mind with which Intel i7 CPU im going with... BTW are AMD CPUs cheaper than Intel CPUs?
Not really a mistake just a bad choice.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-12600K/4070vs4120
 

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The reason I brought up that Gigabyte branded GPUs (ones that came after 2016) tend to have problems and not last very long... I had a Gigabyte 590 GPU that started showing problems after only 2 years of use, when most GPUs last ~5 years... Any time I shut down my PC (with the 590 equipped) it would boot like normal but the graphics defaulted to 800x600 resolution and the display drivers were not installed, No amount of DDU driver installing and removing could fix it so I deemed unfixable and removed it from the PC, I still have it turns out that GPU suffered shotty build quality, oof

Also is there any GPU repair shops near my area or not....
 
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After some thought, I think it would be a better Idea if I just built one "new" PC and beef up my existing one....

I'm looking into a i9 10850k + MSI MEG Z490 ACE Gaming Motherboard + 64GB DDR4 RAM, there is a CPU Cooler that is for sale too but that will drive up the price, the CPU combo is siting at $750 if I include that Cooler (Noctua NH-C14S) I think that will shoot up the price to ~$800/$850, But with the CPU, Mobo, and RAM done... I would still need Storage, Power, Graphics + a Case to contain it all. The only thing I don't like about the combo is the RAM, it just sounds too chinesium and I would like to swap it out later (TEAMGROUP T-Force). Also can a 1080 Ti work for this? since this card still has 1080p capabilities but it is a 7 year old GPU as well.... but still has a better price when compared to any of the newer GPUs of today....

Also for beefing up my existing 4770k system all I really want to add is a "new" GPU since mine died after ~2 years of use (I am looking at a 980Ti for around ~$200-$400 plus a 2TB SSD since mechanical HDDs are nice but when it comes to games, SSDs are better for that task (atleast to me) and a WiFi Card since the new PC will take up the wired connection...

-N1nja
 
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Why_Me

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After some thought, I think it would be a better Idea if I just built one "new" PC and beef up my existing one....

I'm looking into a i9 10850k + MSI MEG Z490 ACE Gaming Motherboard + 64GB DDR4 RAM, there is a CPU Cooler that is for sale too but that will drive up the price, the CPU combo is siting at $750 if I include that Cooler (Noctua NH-C14S) I think that will shoot up the price to ~$800/$850, But with the CPU, Mobo, and RAM done... I would still need Storage, Power, Graphics + a Case to contain it all. The only thing I don't like about the combo is the RAM, it just sounds too chinesium and I would like to swap it out later (TEAMGROUP T-Force). Also can a 1080 Ti work for this? since this card still has 1080p capabilities but it is a 7 year old GPU as well.... but still has a better price when compared to any of the newer GPUs of today....

Also for beefing up my existing 4770k system all I really want to add is a "new" GPU since mine died after ~2 years of use (I am looking at a 980Ti for around ~$200-$400 plus a 2TB SSD since mechanical HDDs are nice but when it comes to games, SSDs are better for that task (atleast to me) and a WiFi Card since the new PC will take up the wired connection...

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Teamgroup RAM works well with Asus boards but sometimes not so well with boards from other manufactures. btw what's with the 64GB of RAM Do you do professional 3D modelling? 32GB is plenty if you plan on editing videos and/or photoshop.
 
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Teamgroup RAM works well with Asus boards but sometimes no so well with boards from other manufactures. btw what's with the 64GB of RAM Do you do professional 3D modelling? 32GB is plenty if you plan on editing videos and/or photoshop.
Yea... 64GB of RAM is tad bit excessive that's why I wanted to swap out the RAM for a 4x8GB kit 32GB kit
 

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This board down below has the Realtek 1200 audio codec along with WiFi 6. btw that ebay seller 'Antonline' (cpu) is a major supplier for the likes of Target. They have their own website if you google them.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Mortar-Gaming-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B09PXD16F6/
MSI MAG B660M Mortar WiFi DDR4 $179.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700f-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118359
Intel Core i7-12700F $318.99

https://www.amazon.com/quiet-Dark-Rock-BK022-Cooler/dp/B07BY6F8D9/
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 250W TDP CPU Cooler $89.90

https://www.bequiet.com/en/contact/lga1700mounting
be quiet! LGA-1700 Mounting Kit $0.00

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164177
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200MHz 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $124.99

Total: $714

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR-WIFI-DDR4

Review of that board.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mag-b660m-mortar-wifi-ddr4

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

Review of that cpu w/benchmarks.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2391-intel-core-i7-12700/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgN4W97Esk&t=708s


 
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a i9 10850k + MSI MEG Z490 ACE Gaming Motherboard + 64GB DDR4 RAM, there is a CPU Cooler that is for sale too but that will drive up the price, the CPU combo is siting at $750
you've been provided with much better combinations for less money multiple times throughout this thread.

there is nothing that you've mentioned doing with this system that would benefit from having the extra cores and it's single core performance is terrible compared to less expensive 12th gen chips.

and as stated before, Intel builds will not benefit from quad-channel memory kits.
you will just be spending more money for nothing.
go with a nicer 2x 16GB kit.
can a 1080 Ti work for this?
a GTX 1000 series will "work" with any PCIe x8/x16 board but is it worth buying, no.

your best option is get a CPU with an iGPU and waiting until a nice card is available.
as also already stated, RTX 3000 & RX 6000 cards are available if you sign-up for Newegg Shuffle or just keep at shopping multiple retailers.

new RX 6600/6700 XT cards are readily available for less than some used GTX 1080 Ti out there and perform better while offering more options with more advanced tech.

you just need to do some shopping and research the performance differences between what's available.
and that doesn't mean watching some YouTube video; actually reading and comparing tech specs and reading real in-depth review/comparison articles.

if you ever get to playing more modern titles, you will be seriously disappointed by a GTX 1000 series card.
mechanical HDDs are nice but when it comes to games, SSDs are better
there is really nothing that HDDs are "nice" for compared to more advanced tech.
just a somewhat cheaper option for some extra storage. and prices are even becoming more comparable with better tech rather quickly.
there is nothing i would use one for these days except keeping backups and media storage.


I'm looking into a...
forgive me if i'm mistaken but as this thread continues you are starting to seem more of some kind of forum "troll" just posting bad idea after bad idea as if just to get a response from other members here.

since the first page of this thread you've been offered much better options for less money with detailed explanations as to why yet you continue on ignoring them and re-posting even worse ideas.

if you haven't in the passed 2+ weeks;
you should carefully read back through these few pages and take note the replies and options offered in detail to you and if the reasons don't make anymore sense now, just go ahead and blow some extra money on an inferior build and let the issue lie.
 
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I'm going to be honest, Just because a PC's hardware is dated by X amount of years, does it really deserve the sting of obsolescence? And sure older PC hardware that's X generations old, and is not the latest and greatest and doesn't have a warranty on it when something dies or bites the dust, If it can still game or edit videos or whatever you need your old PC to do then just run with it... and the price is right, then it might be something to look into.... Why get something that's 2-3 generations newer and can out perform the old hardware, When the old hardware can still do the job (at a slight disadvantage)

And some people may hang on to their older PCs because they don't have a great budget to buy the newer hardware, or the newer hardware might be built poorly and get a bad rap, like the i7 11700k, getting too hot and being a bad product vibes, which then gives off the mindset that their older PC would be a better idea to hang on to until a better hardware gets released...

But sometimes older hardware that's 2-3 generations older might just work for someone who has a limited budget... Or maybe not humanity has baffled me....
 

Why_Me

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I'm going to be honest, Just because a PC's hardware is dated by X amount of years, does it really deserve the sting of obsolescence? And sure older PC hardware that's X generations old, and is not the latest and greatest and doesn't have a warranty on it when something dies or bites the dust, If it can still game or edit videos or whatever you need your old PC to do then just run with it... and the price is right, then it might be something to look into.... Why get something that's 2-3 generations newer and can out perform the old hardware, When the old hardware can still do the job (at a slight disadvantage)

And some people may hang on to their older PCs because they don't have a great budget to buy the newer hardware, or the newer hardware might be built poorly and get a bad rap, like the i7 11700k, getting too hot and being a bad product vibes, which then gives off the mindset that their older PC would be a better idea to hang on to until a better hardware gets released...

But sometimes older hardware that's 2-3 generations older might just work for someone who has a limited budget... Or maybe not humanity has baffled me....
After some thought, I think it would be a better Idea if I just built one "new" PC and beef up my existing one....

I'm looking into a i9 10850k + MSI MEG Z490 ACE Gaming Motherboard + 64GB DDR4 RAM, there is a CPU Cooler that is for sale too but that will drive up the price, the CPU combo is siting at $750 if I include that Cooler (Noctua NH-C14S) I think that will shoot up the price to ~$800/$850, But with the CPU, Mobo, and RAM done... I would still need Storage, Power, Graphics + a Case to contain it all. The only thing I don't like about the combo is the RAM, it just sounds too chinesium and I would like to swap it out later (TEAMGROUP T-Force). Also can a 1080 Ti work for this? since this card still has 1080p capabilities but it is a 7 year old GPU as well.... but still has a better price when compared to any of the newer GPUs of today....

Also for beefing up my existing 4770k system all I really want to add is a "new" GPU since mine died after ~2 years of use (I am looking at a 980Ti for around ~$200-$400 plus a 2TB SSD since mechanical HDDs are nice but when it comes to games, SSDs are better for that task (atleast to me) and a WiFi Card since the new PC will take up the wired connection...

-N1nja
I posted a better build for cheaper yet you're stuck on overpriced hardware that's three generations old.
This board down below has the Realtek 1200 audio codec along with WiFi 6. btw that ebay seller 'Antonline' (cpu) is a major supplier for the likes of Target. They have their own website if you google them.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Mortar-Gaming-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B09PXD16F6/
MSI MAG B660M Mortar WiFi DDR4 $179.99

https://www.ebay.com/itm/294689414993
Intel Core i7-12700F $329.99

https://www.amazon.com/quiet-Dark-Rock-BK022-Cooler/dp/B07BY6F8D9/
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 250W TDP CPU Cooler $89.90

https://www.bequiet.com/en/contact/lga1700mounting
be quiet! LGA-1700 Mounting Kit $0.00

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164177
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200MHz 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 $124.99

Total: $725

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR-WIFI-DDR4

Review of that board.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mag-b660m-mortar-wifi-ddr4

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134592/intel-core-i712700f-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

Review of that cpu w/benchmarks.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2391-intel-core-i7-12700/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgN4W97Esk&t=708s


 
I'm going to be honest, Just because a PC's hardware is dated by X amount of years, does it really deserve the sting of obsolescence?
age has nothing to do with it.
it is specific hardware's performance that determines it's viability.

if a ** year old CPU could outperform modern generations then that ** year old CPU would still be the top option available.
if it cannot then it is not, it's very simple logic.

paying more for subpar performance never makes sense when dealing with modern computing.
like the i7 11700k, getting too hot and being a bad product vibes, which then gives off the mindset that their older PC would be a better idea to hang on to until a better hardware gets released.
no one ever said these products were "bad" but spending the same amount or more for a product that offers less performance is just stupid.

my i7-11700K was a great option when i bought it, it is great at gaming and everything else i do,
but if i was buying now it would be dumb to get one when a cheaper 12th gen could offer even better performance.
or for the same price get an even greater increase.

it's not like buying a car or art where you may just like an older and/or more expensive design and it's worth it to you for personal reasons.
this is price for performance ratio when dealing with products like CPUs and other hardware and there is nothing else to it.
sometimes older hardware that's 2-3 generations older might just work for someone who has a limited budget
but the options you are posting are not cheaper than what has been recommended, and even if some of them may be by slight amounts, the little bits you may possibly save are not worth the reduction in performance that you will experience.

if you were building a retro DOS, 3.1, or XP system for certain reasons then you would be getting drastically different recommendations but you are talking and asking about modern hardware.
 
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I'm going to be honest, Just because a PC's hardware is dated by X amount of years, does it really deserve the sting of obsolescence? And sure older PC hardware that's X generations old, and is not the latest and greatest and doesn't have a warranty on it when something dies or bites the dust, If it can still game or edit videos or whatever you need your old PC to do then just run with it... and the price is right, then it might be something to look into.... Why get something that's 2-3 generations newer and can out perform the old hardware, When the old hardware can still do the job (at a slight disadvantage)

And some people may hang on to their older PCs because they don't have a great budget to buy the newer hardware, or the newer hardware might be built poorly and get a bad rap, like the i7 11700k, getting too hot and being a bad product vibes, which then gives off the mindset that their older PC would be a better idea to hang on to until a better hardware gets released...

But sometimes older hardware that's 2-3 generations older might just work for someone who has a limited budget... Or maybe not humanity has baffled me....
Have you read what everyone else is saying? This thread has over 60 posts and its mostly just you suggesting parts with a bad price to performance ratio and then someone saying ¨hey buy 12th gen¨ and then you saying ¨but whats wrong with older parts I'm not getting tricked into the latest and greatest idea¨ just stop waiting for someone to say what you want to hear. If you really want the 10700k or 11700k then go for it. If you want to make the most of your money go back and do some reading.
 

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So I've come to the conclusion that I want a Gaming PC but I am not sure which CPU i should go for... Either I go for a three generations old i7 10700k, or go with a newer i7 12700k.. since I have ~$2,000 should I step up from an i7 to an i9 (i9 10850k or i9 10900k), Either way I look at it I will need an aftermarket CPU cooler anyways since the stock cooler on the K-series of i7 just doesn't cut it.... I am skipping the enitre 11th Gen of CPUs due to them running slower than an i7 10700k and the 11th gen i7's running hot and I am also avoiding the Non-K and KF versions of the same CPU since the KF versions don't have an iGPU which might be useful to diagnose problems in safemode, sure the i7 non-k's have an iGPU but I'd rather stick with a K series of i7 or i9 anyways.... also if I'm going with a K-series CPU (i7 or i9) which motherboard should I look into? Obviously either a Z490 or Z590 for K CPUs but not sure which one exactly go for ASUS, MSI, etc.... Also which CPU cooler should I look into? For a K-Series i7 or i9.... any suggestions?
 
I am skipping the enitre 11th Gen of CPUs due to them running slower than an i7 10700k and the 11th gen i7's running hot
the 11700K offers much better performance than the 10700K.
it offers over 7% better single core performance
and up to 15% better multi-core performance.
and it doesn't run any hotter than any previous generation,
mine currently idles ~28-32°C and maxes in the most demanding games ~58-65°C overclocked @ 5.2GHz.
the only difference is the default motherboard voltage is usually set much higher than need be causing those that don't know any better to just assume it's the chip itself.

but as has been stated with posted links proving those statements, you should still avoid anything under the 12th gen because they offer the very best price for performance available at this time.
and their performance actually smashes earlier generations for their price.

and unless you have a spare GPU lying around, you are right to go with those versions including an iGPU.
troubleshooting can prove difficult sometimes if you don't have an onboard GPU to use or spare cards lying around.
should I step up from an i7 to an i9
unless you are doing serious professional level processing, with the latest generations an i9 will not show any difference for your desktop vs an i7 or really nice i5.
with gaming you will notice almost zero difference.
which CPU cooler should I look into?
depends on air or liquid.
be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 or Noctua NH-D15 chromax are two of the best air coolers available.
for liquid cooling you would need to provide whether AIO or custom loops.
any suggestions?
all of these questions you're still posing have been answered previously, most of them multiple times.
you really need to take the time and read back through this entire thread, and take notes as you do, instead of asking the same questions OVER & OVER & OVER.
 
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I'm just curious what currency you are talking about? Usd? 2000 us will buy you 12 gen cpu. With liquid cooling. A good board with z690 chipset, ddr5. Nice case. Good psu with change to spare. Even if you wanna stick with ddr4 for now, when you wanna make the change your 12 gen cpu will drop straight into a ddr5 board. 10/11th gen won't.
 
Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($344.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($131.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital WD_BLACK SN750 SE 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card ($1184.98 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($101.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2072.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-02-05 12:35 EST-0500


Don't know why OP is still looking at old gen hardware when we repeatedly tried to inform him that it will not give him the best possible performance for the given budget. Instead he may look into something like this. This is not Intel system but this AMD 5800X is similar to if not better than non K i7-12700 for gaming.

And RTX3070Ti is really decent in regular as well as ray-tracing performance. For that budget this delivers decent performance.
 

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After a long thought, I decided to get a i7 12700k since the price/performance is better than anything my dumb brain could think of and the updated iGPU of the 12700k will be nice for trouble-shooting issues in safemode (sorry F and KF Versions) those just won't cut it for this application.... But I did have some questions for the new PC...

Question 1: How much thermal paste to use for the 12700k since that i7 is longer than a normal i7 CPU...
Question 2: which GPU to go for? (Yes I know many newer GPUs are still "unobtainable") I still think a 1080 Ti could work but I think I might want something different... I was originally going to try to get a 3070 TI, but the GPU Miners + Scalpers beat me to the punch
Question 3: Can a 750Watt PSU power a 12700k? or would a 800/850Watt PSU be better?
Question 4: Which ATX case should I look into? I don't really need a case with RGB (would be nice) but rather stick to non RGB...


Also which GPU should I look Into for my existing 4770K PC? not sure what to go for or buy atm..? Can/Could a 980 Ti or 1070 Ti work for the 4770k system? or nah... since that PC still has "potential" dispite it being generations old *7 years old, oof
 
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After a long thought, I decided to get a i7 12700k since the price/performance is better than anything my dumb brain could think of and the updated iGPU of the 12700k will be nice for trouble-shooting issues in safemode (sorry F and KF Versions) those just won't cut it for this application.... But I did have some questions for the new PC...

Question 1: How much thermal paste to use for the 12700k since that i7 is longer than a normal i7 CPU...
Question 2: which GPU to go for? (Yes I know many newer GPUs are still "unobtainable") I still think a 1080 Ti could work but I think I might want something different... I was originally going to try to get a 3070 TI, but the GPU Miners + Scalpers beat me to the punch
Question 3: Can a 750Watt PSU power a 12700k? or would a 800/850Watt PSU be better?
Question 4: Which ATX case should I look into? I don't really need a case with RGB (would be nice) but rather stick to non RGB...


Also which GPU should I look Into for my existing 4770K PC? not sure what to go for or buy atm..? Can/Could a 980 Ti or 1070 Ti work for the 4770k system? or nah... since that PC still has "potential" dispite it being generations old *7 years old, oof
750w psu for a 3070 Ti and 850w for a 3080 / 3080 Ti. Those cards are known for their power spikes so that extra headroom is a plus.

Here's a Z690 board that won't break the bank.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-DDR4-ProSeries-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B09GLD6LYW/
MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 $219.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-DD

Personally I'd go with the cheaper and less power hungry 12700F + B660 board.

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700f-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118359
Intel Core i7-12700F $318.99

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144520
MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 $189.99

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660-TOMAHAWK-WIFI-DDR4
 
After a long thought, I decided to get a i7 12700k since the price/performance is better than anything my dumb brain could think of and the updated iGPU of the 12700k will be nice for trouble-shooting issues in safemode (sorry F and KF Versions) those just won't cut it for this application.... But I did have some questions for the new PC...

Question 1: How much thermal paste to use for the 12700k since that i7 is longer than a normal i7 CPU...
Question 2: which GPU to go for? (Yes I know many newer GPUs are still "unobtainable") I still think a 1080 Ti could work but I think I might want something different... I was originally going to try to get a 3070 TI, but the GPU Miners + Scalpers beat me to the punch
Question 3: Can a 750Watt PSU power a 12700k? or would a 800/850Watt PSU be better?
Question 4: Which ATX case should I look into? I don't really need a case with RGB (would be nice) but rather stick to non RGB...


Also which GPU should I look Into for my existing 4770K PC? not sure what to go for or buy atm..? Can/Could a 980 Ti or 1070 Ti work for the 4770k system? or nah... since that PC still has "potential" dispite it being generations old *7 years old, oof
i7-12700K + RTX3070Ti combo will not be possible unless you plan to go $150-250 over $2K budget. If that is fine then okay. If not check out 5800X as that is very close to it in performance but the 5800X + B550 Combo can save you good $200. i7-12700K in combo of B660 is waste and decent Z690 boards are expensive. i7-2700F is down in performance and still even in combo of B660 is $100 more than 5800X and B550 combo. So you can decide if 12700F is worth the extra expenditure. To be hones 5800X and 12700F have similar performance no big difference.

Check this Z690 motherboard.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vxt9TW/asus-prime-z690-p-wifi-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-z690-p-wifi-d4
 

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