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Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
on a sheet.

Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
what a cool size this would be and produced some.

-- stan
 
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It would also allow making 8" x 12" prints
from DSLRs, rather than the 6.67" x 10" prints
that work on 8.5" x 11" paper.

We are not using typewriters to compose business
letters. We are printing pictures that have some
standard useful and natural sizes. 8.5" x 11" is
an artifact of another usage culture. 8.5" x 13"
makes much more sense.

-- stan
 
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Stanley Krute <stan@stankrute.com> wrote:

> It would also allow making 8" x 12" prints
> from DSLRs, rather than the 6.67" x 10" prints
> that work on 8.5" x 11" paper.
>
> We are not using typewriters to compose business
> letters. We are printing pictures that have some
> standard useful and natural sizes. 8.5" x 11" is
> an artifact of another usage culture. 8.5" x 13"
> makes much more sense.

I gather that you're talking about printing photos and I don't know
about that. However, I still have half a ream of 8.5 x 13 copier-grade
paper left over from when I worked in the middle east, where it is a
commonly found size.

Having said that, though, I must add: what's all this about 'an artifact
of another usage culture'?!? I would submit that _anything_ measured in
inches is such an artifact in the world of 2005.

cheers,

Henry
 
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"Henry" <henry999@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:1gslhxr.rdl3ya31bxj4N%henry999@eircom.net...
> Stanley Krute <stan@stankrute.com> wrote:
>
> > It would also allow making 8" x 12" prints
> > from DSLRs, rather than the 6.67" x 10" prints
> > that work on 8.5" x 11" paper.
> >
> > We are not using typewriters to compose business
> > letters. We are printing pictures that have some
> > standard useful and natural sizes. 8.5" x 11" is
> > an artifact of another usage culture. 8.5" x 13"
> > makes much more sense.
>
> I gather that you're talking about printing photos and I don't know
> about that. However, I still have half a ream of 8.5 x 13 copier-grade
> paper left over from when I worked in the middle east, where it is a
> commonly found size.
>
> Having said that, though, I must add: what's all this about 'an artifact
> of another usage culture'?!? I would submit that _anything_ measured in
> inches is such an artifact in the world of 2005.
>
> cheers,
>
> Henry

Some manufacturers do make a 13 x 19 glossy. Don't know if it is any good,
but Epson makes one. You could probably get 6 4x6's from 1 sheet. I haven't
seen it in stores, but I saw it
here:http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0171
848

Other places seem to have it as well.

Pam
 
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Hello Pam
> Some manufacturers do make a 13 x 19 glossy. Don't know if it is any good,
> but Epson makes one.

Yes. I use the Epson 13x19 ColorLife paper and others. They're
quite wonderful. And, yes, as noted in my original email, I can
cut one of those sheets and get a pair of 9.5 x 13 sheets.

But I don't want to cut. I want the manufacturers to realize that,
for printing photos, 8.5" x 13" is an excellent size choice, BETTER
for most PHOTOGRAPHIC purposes that 8.5" x 11".

This is, of course, MY dream. But I'd like it to spread.
That's how favorite dreams are.

-- stan
 
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Hello Henry

> I gather that you're talking about printing photos

You gather correctly.

> what's all this about 'an artifact
> of another usage culture'?!? I would submit that _anything_ measured in
> inches is such an artifact in the world of 2005.

Heh-heh. Yes, there are many usage cultures. English v. metric.
Business correspondence v. photo prints.

Years ago I taught school. Taught kids metric AND english measurements.
Quietly. I thought it useful to be able to use both. Others are more strident/partisan.

-- stan

>
> cheers,
>
> Henry
 
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Further thought:

Just as other common paper sizes have associated names
that describe their primary purpose -- 'letter' for the 8.5 x 11
used for written correspondence, 'legal' for the 8.5 x 14 used
in lawyerly work -- 8.5 x13 should have a name.

I nominate 'photosheet'. As in 'Please bring me another
13 packs of Epson photosheet-size ColorLife paper."

-- stan

"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
> on a sheet.
>
> Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
> if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
> what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>
> -- stan
>
>
 
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:46:08 -0600, "Pamela and Howard Signa"
<psigna@nospambellsouth.net> found these unused words floating about:

>
>"Henry" <henry999@eircom.net> wrote in message
>news:1gslhxr.rdl3ya31bxj4N%henry999@eircom.net...
>> Stanley Krute <stan@stankrute.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It would also allow making 8" x 12" prints
>> > from DSLRs, rather than the 6.67" x 10" prints
>> > that work on 8.5" x 11" paper.
>> >
>> > We are not using typewriters to compose business
>> > letters. We are printing pictures that have some
>> > standard useful and natural sizes. 8.5" x 11" is
>> > an artifact of another usage culture. 8.5" x 13"
>> > makes much more sense.
>>
>> I gather that you're talking about printing photos and I don't know
>> about that. However, I still have half a ream of 8.5 x 13 copier-grade
>> paper left over from when I worked in the middle east, where it is a
>> commonly found size.
>>
>> Having said that, though, I must add: what's all this about 'an artifact
>> of another usage culture'?!? I would submit that _anything_ measured in
>> inches is such an artifact in the world of 2005.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Henry
>
>Some manufacturers do make a 13 x 19 glossy. Don't know if it is any good,
>but Epson makes one. You could probably get 6 4x6's from 1 sheet. I haven't
>seen it in stores, but I saw it
>here:http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0171
>848
>
>Other places seem to have it as well.
>
What's wrong with using Hammermill Color Copy ???

Code Size Grain Basis Wt Wt/M

102475 8.5 X 14 L 28 18 4,000 30
http://www.ippaper.com/hammermill_color_copy_paper.html

103291 8.5 X 14 L 20 13 5,000 30
http://www.ippaper.com/hammermill_form_mp.html

162016 8.5 X 14 L 20 13 5,000 30
http://www.ippaper.com/hammermill_tidal.html
 
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:23:07 -0800, in comp.periphs.printers J. A. Mc.
>What's wrong with using Hammermill Color Copy ???
>
>Code Size Grain Basis Wt Wt/M
>
>102475 8.5 X 14 L 28 18 4,000 30
>http://www.ippaper.com/hammermill_color_copy_paper.html
>
>103291 8.5 X 14 L 20 13 5,000 30
>http://www.ippaper.com/hammermill_form_mp.html
>
>162016 8.5 X 14 L 20 13 5,000 30
>http://www.ippaper.com/hammermill_tidal.html

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"Stanley Krute" <Stan@StanKrute.com> wrote in message
news:24374$4221ff92$943f5c96$12715@STARBAND.NET...
> Further thought:
>
> Just as other common paper sizes have associated names
> that describe their primary purpose -- 'letter' for the 8.5 x 11
> used for written correspondence, 'legal' for the 8.5 x 14 used
> in lawyerly work -- 8.5 x13 should have a name.
>
> I nominate 'photosheet'. As in 'Please bring me another
> 13 packs of Epson photosheet-size ColorLife paper."
>
> -- stan

...and hopefully they will rename it for the mexican market...
 
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"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote...
> Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
> on a sheet.
>
> Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
> if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
> what a cool size this would be and produced some.
> -- stan

Would you print the four 4x6 prints touching on the inside edges, or have a
small border around each print on the sheet?
Would you cut out the four prints, or leave them on the 8.5" x 13" paper?
I'm trying to understand your idea.
 
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Epson also makes roll paper that you can print at any size up to 44 inches.




"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
> on a sheet.
>
> Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
> if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
> what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>
> -- stan
>
>
 
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Does the roll paper retain a curl after printing?

Safetymom123 wrote:

>Epson also makes roll paper that you can print at any size up to 44 inches.
>
>
>
>
>"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
>news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
>>on a sheet.
>>
>>Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
>>if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
>>what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>>
>>-- stan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
 
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Every paper mill in the world would have to completely retool in order to
accpmodate your wishes. Either that or in a much more likely scenario there
would be substantial waste when trimming standard paper sizes to your custom
size. Either way, the end cost to you would be considerable.


"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
> on a sheet.
>
> Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
> if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
> what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>
> -- stan
>
>
 
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An odd size. Like legal. Maybe for wide horizontal scenics but the
size is not appealing.

Colon Terminus wrote:

>Every paper mill in the world would have to completely retool in order to
>accpmodate your wishes. Either that or in a much more likely scenario there
>would be substantial waste when trimming standard paper sizes to your custom
>size. Either way, the end cost to you would be considerable.
>
>
>"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
>news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
>>Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
>>on a sheet.
>>
>>Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
>>if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
>>what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>>
>>-- stan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
 
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> Stanley Krutewrote:
Further thought:
>
> Just as other common paper sizes have associated names
> that describe their primary purpose -- 'letter' for the 8.5 x 11
> used for written correspondence, 'legal' for the 8.5 x 14 used
> in lawyerly work -- 8.5 x13 should have a name.
>
> I nominate 'photosheet'. As in 'Please bring me another
> 13 packs of Epson photosheet-size ColorLife paper."
>
> -- stan
>
> "Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
> on a sheet.
>
> Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
> if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
> what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>
> Stan - I believe that 8.5 X 13 already has a name. In England they
call that a foolscap size.
 
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Yes there is still a slight curl to the paper.




"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Does the roll paper retain a curl after printing?
>
> Safetymom123 wrote:
>
>>Epson also makes roll paper that you can print at any size up to 44
>>inches.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
>>news:ROVTd.9593$Pz7.1248@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>>>Such a size would allow four 4x6 prints
>>>on a sheet.
>>>
>>>Yes, I can cut my own, but it'd be nice
>>>if Epson/HP/Canon/somebody just realized
>>>what a cool size this would be and produced some.
>>>
>>>-- stan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
 
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In article <42228db0_5@alt.athenanews.com>, fstop8 <shape@tele-net-dot-
net.no-spam.invalid> writes
>> Stan - I believe that 8.5 X 13 already has a name. In England they
>call that a foolscap size.
>
Not quite. Foolscap is 8 x 13.
--
Thoss
 
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Hello J.A.

> What's wrong with using Hammermill Color Copy ???

Lovely paper for a color laser.

But I'm printing from Epson photo printers. So I like to
use the Epson papers with Epson inks for maximum
print longevity and color fidelity.

-- stan
 
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Hello Colon

> Every paper mill in the world would have to completely retool in order to
> accpmodate your wishes.

Yow. Radical thought.

Somehow, call me crazy, I'm thinking that if Epson can produce/obtain 13" x
19"
paper they can produce 8.5" x 13" paper without a need to retool
every paper mill in the world.

Yep, I'm dreaming, I know it, but the idea just makes
too much sense for it to leave my mind alone.

-- stan
 
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Hello measekit

> An odd size. Like legal. Maybe for wide horizontal scenics but the size
> is not appealing.

Hmmm. 4" x 6" is the most popular size here in the US for photo prints.
That's the key thing here: you'd get four nice 4x6 prints out of a sheet of
this stuff. Right now you get just three 4x6 prints out of a piece of
8.5x11.
Also: DSLRs have a 2x3 ratio, and would love to be able to print out 8" x
12".
Nothing unnaturally wide about that; it's the shape of the image as captured
by the DSLR sensor.

Doesn't seem odd at all to me.

Then again, odd is clearly in the eyes of the beholder.

-- stan
 
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Hello John

> Would you print the four 4x6 prints touching on the inside edges, or have
> a
> small border around each print on the sheet?

Small border around each, so I can neatly Rotatrim the four prints.

> Would you cut out the four prints, or leave them on the 8.5" x 13" paper?

Cut them out. I just want to get four 4x6 prints from a sheet, rather than
the three that fit on an 8.5x11 sheet.

-- stan
 
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"Colon Terminus" <Colon_Terminus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LIpUd.3282084$B07.516463@news.easynews.com...
>
> Every paper mill in the world would have to completely retool in order to
> accpmodate your wishes.

Nope. A single paper mill could be sufficient.
 
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If you are using a printer that does 4x6 borderless prints it is much easier
to precut the paper to 4x6 with a paper cutter that has an adjustable guide
bar. Using the guide bar, the cutting is a no brainer and you can cut lots
of sheets in a very short time. Cuting the images apart after printing
several on a page requires more attention and precise cuts. This is one of
the reasons I got rid of my older Epson printer and bought a Canon i960
which prints borderless 4x6, 5x7, and 8.5x11 pictures. This has really cut
down my printing/paper cutting time and provided much better results as a
bonus.

Why not buy the larger format epson paper and cut it to two 8.5x13 sheets
for the larger format prints you want to print? Granted that there is some
waste, but I don't imagine that all your prints are in that format, and a
little additional cost is certainly justified for those few special prints
you want to produce.

for everyday printing of 4x6's (my wife wants these for her photo albums and
to send to relatives) I am using Costco's Kirkland glossy photo paper with
either Canon OEM or MIS inks for fabulous results. 30 or 40 minutes at the
paper cutter provides me with 375 4x6 sheets for about five cents apiece, so
I don't really care about the small scraps of waste that I have left.

"Stanley Krute" <stan@stankrute.com> wrote in message
news:HFVUd.8141$OU1.7414@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> Hello John
>
>> Would you print the four 4x6 prints touching on the inside edges, or have
>> a
>> small border around each print on the sheet?
>
> Small border around each, so I can neatly Rotatrim the four prints.
>
>> Would you cut out the four prints, or leave them on the 8.5" x 13" paper?
>
> Cut them out. I just want to get four 4x6 prints from a sheet, rather than
> the three that fit on an 8.5x11 sheet.
>
> -- stan
>
>
 
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:20:49 -0800, "Stanley Krute"
<Stan@StanKrute.com> wrote:

>Hello Pam
>> Some manufacturers do make a 13 x 19 glossy. Don't know if it is any good,
>> but Epson makes one.
>
>Yes. I use the Epson 13x19 ColorLife paper and others. They're
>quite wonderful. And, yes, as noted in my original email, I can
>cut one of those sheets and get a pair of 9.5 x 13 sheets.
>
>But I don't want to cut. I want the manufacturers to realize that,
>for printing photos, 8.5" x 13" is an excellent size choice, BETTER
>for most PHOTOGRAPHIC purposes that 8.5" x 11".

But cutting is why they make paper cutters. Now you are limiting
yourself to what the manufacture makes. Get a good printer which take
wide rolls and print and cut to what ever format you want.

I've made some prints in the past 3x14 because that was the most
effective image.


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