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I successfully completed my DSC1 course and examination at Croy Farm,
Moray-shire, yesterday. Despite having some years of management
experience I have to say I learned a lot.

The complete course was good value for money and I would advise all
those interested in deer management to seriously consider booking a
place on the course if there is one available. Like it or not, certified
accreditation is the way the industry is going and more and more doors
are already beginning to close.

All that aside, I enjoyed the course very much, though felt under
pressure at times. Yesterday was hot; and the heat haze coming off the
field made the shooting test much harder than I expected. And the
two-hour drive through Inverness-shire to Moray-shire and back at the
end of each day added substantially to the tiredness factor. But they
were a good bunch of lads and the course instructors and safety
examiners knew what they were about.

Five failed on the shooting test, which was unfortunate. But they'll get
another bite at the cherry for no extra cost in October.

I must confess I wasn't a fan of DSC1 before, viewing it as a sort of
back-door way of introducing a licensing system. But the course content
was so crammed with detail and things of interest, I'm now a convert.

If any of you have been thinking about subscribing to the course, I'd
say go for it. It's money well spent and you'll enjoy it.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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Well done Kim!


On Mon, 31 May 2004 14:24:39 +0100, Kim Sawyer <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:
>snippety snip<
>I successfully completed my DSC1 course
>I have to say I learned a lot.
>The complete course was good value for money
>But the course content
>was so crammed with detail and things of interest, I'm now a convert.
>

I'd be interested if anyone here has "done" the distance learning
module. It's been on my mind for a while now.


From Pete

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"Being eaten by a crocodile is just like falling asleep in a blender"
Bart Simpson

 

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Pete <pete.ansbro@virgin.net> wrote in
news:q1hmb05gupnkq80sc4eutk31b7772d3j7k@4ax.com:

Pete, do you meant the “judging distance” module of the DSC1?

If so, I can get Sharon to scan the module for you.

(BTW Kim, congratulations. I know how stressful the course is)

John

 

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What-ho!

On 31 May 2004 16:35:31 GMT, John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net>
wrote:
>snippety snip<

>Pete, do you meant the “judging distance” module of the DSC1?
>

No me old mate....distance learning as in "correspondence course" -
you do some of the learning online from the comfort of yer own home,
rather than over an intensive weekend. But don't worry, the whole
course isn't dea;t with that way...


From Pete

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"Being eaten by a crocodile is just like falling asleep in a blender"
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Pete <pete.ansbro@virgin.net> wrote in
news:m5qmb0tc466mhecsgha2ap89l1b48l5fg8@4ax.com:

> What-ho!
>
> On 31 May 2004 16:35:31 GMT, John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net>
> wrote:
> >snippety snip<
>
>>Pete, do you meant the “judging distance” module of the DSC1?
>>
>
> No me old mate....distance learning as in "correspondence course" -
> you do some of the learning online from the comfort of yer own home,
> rather than over an intensive weekend. But don't worry, the whole
> course isn't dea;t with that way...

Waste of time doing the distance learning course if you ask me old bud.
You still have to do the ID, Safety and shooting test. The questions are
easy and exactly the same as the Deer quest CD, so don’t waste your time
& money.
Learn the CD back to front and you’ll pass the 50 questions no sweat,
TRUST ME!
( I got 50 ex 50 on the questions, 30 ex 30 on the ID, passed the
shooting first round and dropped two points on the safety test coz I
tried to second guess the examiner and said I’d poke the deer’s eye with
me finger and not the muzzle of my rifle because the course note said
not to use your rifle! (I dropped two points))
You’ll need the course notes but don’t spend £30 squids as you’ll be
given them when you book a course. The safety test is common sense and
the shooting test you’ll pass but beware the whole thing can be rather
draining.

John

 

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The message <q1hmb05gupnkq80sc4eutk31b7772d3j7k@4ax.com>
from Pete <pete.ansbro@virgin.net> contains these words:

> Well done Kim!

Thanks.

> I'd be interested if anyone here has "done" the distance learning
> module. It's been on my mind for a while now.

I saw in the BDS magazine that some were getting the qualification that
way. Don't know anyone personally though.

I thought about taking the course for quite a while. It came about
because I showed the Old Man an article in a shooting magazine which
rather loftily stated that the Association of Game Dealers wouldn't be
taking venison from stalkers who weren't qualified. He said, ' Better
jump before you're pushed. Book yourself in for the course.'

That was good enough for me.

But the venison traders better sort themselves out as well. There's
little point in all of us taking on board everything we're taught only
to have the venison we've shot and handled so carefully slung into the
bottom of a game dealer's van and have twenty more carcasses thrown on
top.

During the course a very interesting point was made. When we were
discussing the deplorable venison prices it was suggested that, apart
from anything else, qualification took us all one step closer to selling
directly to the public. Assuming all necessary qualifications are
acquired and training is completed, and larder and butchering facilities
are up to standard, it would seem only sensible for estates to apply for
a game dealer's licence, allowing them to sell directly to the public.

Now wouldn't that scare the hell out of the local game dealer? Due to
loss of trade he might even consider paying a realistic rate.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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The message <Xns94FABFD6A3903OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>
from John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> contains these words:

> ( I got 50 ex 50 on the questions, 30 ex 30 on the ID, passed the
> shooting first round and dropped two points on the safety test coz I
> tried to second guess the examiner and said I’d poke the deer’s eye with
> me finger and not the muzzle of my rifle because the course note said
> not to use your rifle! (I dropped two points))

I dropped a point on identification. I marked a roe doe as a cast buck.
What I thought was the pizzle was actually the bottom of a fence post
behind.

There are one or two answers to questions in the manual that some of us
disagree with, one being the question about hand loaded ammo. The answer
they're looking for is 'Test the ammo at the shooting range'. That's
fine if you know where it has come from and the source is absolutely
trustworthy. But we felt the answer should have been, 'politely refuse
the offer'.

I couple of weeks ago I saw a rifle very badly damaged by ammunition
that had been loaded for the shooter by a friend. She could very well
have died. The bolt and breech are probably beyond repair. So perhaps my
views on the matter are slightly jaundiced.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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Kim Sawyer <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:2004060109171879091@zetnet.co.uk:

> The message <Xns94FABFD6A3903OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>
> from John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> contains these words:
>
>> ( I got 50 ex 50 on the questions, 30 ex 30 on the ID, passed the
>> shooting first round and dropped two points on the safety test coz I
>> tried to second guess the examiner and said I’d poke the deer’s eye
>> with me finger and not the muzzle of my rifle because the course
>> note said not to use your rifle! (I dropped two points))
>
> I dropped a point on identification. I marked a roe doe as a cast
> buck. What I thought was the pizzle was actually the bottom of a
> fence post behind.

I stood up twice and took a close look at the projection screen.
One difficult photo was of a slightly obscured Pricket, he looked like a
young Red but closer inspection proved Fallow.

>
> There are one or two answers to questions in the manual that some of
> us disagree with, one being the question about hand loaded ammo. The
> answer they're looking for is 'Test the ammo at the shooting range'.
> That's fine if you know where it has come from and the source is
> absolutely trustworthy. But we felt the answer should have been,
> 'politely refuse the offer'.

They have changed the answer to that question and the correct answer is
now ‘politely refuse the offer’, so you would have been right and if the
examiner marked you wrong, the DMQ HQ will correct his mistake.


John

 

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In message <2004060109171879091@zetnet.co.uk>, Kim Sawyer
<ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> writes

>There are one or two answers to questions in the manual that some of us
>disagree with, one being the question about hand loaded ammo. The answer
>they're looking for is 'Test the ammo at the shooting range'. That's
>fine if you know where it has come from and the source is absolutely
>trustworthy. But we felt the answer should have been, 'politely refuse
>the offer'.

What's the question?

>I couple of weeks ago I saw a rifle very badly damaged by ammunition
>that had been loaded for the shooter by a friend. She could very well
>have died. The bolt and breech are probably beyond repair. So perhaps my
>views on the matter are slightly jaundiced.

I saw a Ruger No. 1 rifle (chambered for .25-06) at the Birmingham Proof
house. The lady owner had (somehow) got a .270 Win in her pocket. It
chambered and blew half the breech away: the gun was ruined and, I
understand, her hand was severely injured.

--Jonathan

"Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel."
Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928

 

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The message <Xns94FB7EFDF23EEOEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>
from John <Stalking*@britishlibrary.net> contains these words:


> I stood up twice and took a close look at the projection screen.
> One difficult photo was of a slightly obscured Pricket, he looked like a
> young Red but closer inspection proved Fallow.

I think the one that caught out some of the lads here was a red hind
with a very pronounced jet black black stripe running right down the
centre of her back. At first glance it was quite startling. I noticed
quite a few nervously chewing away at the end of their pencil when that
one was up on the screen.

> They have changed the answer to that question and the correct answer is
> now ‘politely refuse the offer’, so you would have been right and if the
> examiner marked you wrong, the DMQ HQ will correct his mistake.

Then that might yet prove to be a bone of contention. Some gave the
newly revised answer as given by yourself above, and others went by the
answer in the manual and cd they were issued with, which clearly states
to test fire the ammunition at the range.

The BDS Summer Shoot, Highland Branch, is being held at Cawdor this
coming Saturday. Last time I shot in the open sight competition I could
see two targets and didn't know which one to fire at. But this time I'll
have my secret weapon (my spectacles) and fully intend to give the
youngsters a run for their money. Not sure if they'll let me use my
zimmer frame as a rest though...

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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The message <or2MH+Fu+HvAFw0$@salvage.demon.co.uk>
from Jonathan Spencer <jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> contains these words:

> What's the question?

Q: You are offered some ammunition hand loaded by a friend which he
finds performs well in his rifle. What should you do?

1) test the ammunition when you next go to the range.
2) politely refuse the offer.
3) disassemble the round to check the components.
4) place an order for another 100 rounds.

Last Sunday the answer required was 1. John says that has been changed
to 2 which I personally feel is more in keeping with the safety theme
evident throughout the whole course.

> I saw a Ruger No. 1 rifle (chambered for .25-06) at the Birmingham Proof
> house. The lady owner had (somehow) got a .270 Win in her pocket. It
> chambered and blew half the breech away: the gun was ruined and, I
> understand, her hand was severely injured.

Rare, but it happens. Something similar happened to a stalker here.
Somehow, an incompatible round was chambered and the resulting explosion
blew out the breech. Luckily, the stalker only received some minor
injuries.

Another incident took place when a fragment of patch wadding was
accidentally left in the barrel of a stalking rifle after cleaning. The
explosion opened the breech like a tin of beans but by some miracle the
stalker suffered no injury. Hugh Murray, a rifle smith on the Black
Isle, was gifted that rifle as a show piece. We'll have a look at it
when you're next up.

As far as the incident at Cawdor was concerned, after the shot it took
about twenty minutes just to get the bolt of the rifle open. The empty
case was eventually extracted but the bolt of the rifle thereafter
couldn't be closed. No evidence of the primer could be found.

--
Kim Sawyer
Sutherland
Scotland

 

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Kim Sawyer <ksawyer@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:2004060116434979091@zetnet.co.uk:

> The message <or2MH+Fu+HvAFw0$@salvage.demon.co.uk>
> from Jonathan Spencer <jms@NOTMEjonathan-spencer.co.uk> contains
> these words:
>
>> What's the question?
>
> Q: You are offered some ammunition hand loaded by a friend which he
> finds performs well in his rifle. What should you do?
>
> 1) test the ammunition when you next go to the range.
> 2) politely refuse the offer.
> 3) disassemble the round to check the components.
> 4) place an order for another 100 rounds.
>
> Last Sunday the answer required was 1. John says that has been
> changed to 2 which I personally feel is more in keeping with the
> safety theme evident throughout the whole course.


Taken from Deer UK;


Change to the correct answer for DSC Level 1, Question 154
Deer-UK have recently received notification of a change to the correct
answer to question 154, found at the back of the DSC Level 1 course
manual as follows:
The question and possible answers are:
You are offered some ammunition hand loaded by a friend, which he finds
performs well in his rifle. What should you do?
a Test the ammunition when you next go to the range
b Politely refuse the offer
c Disassemble the round to check the components
d Place an order for another 100 rounds
The correct answer to the above is now (b) and not (a) as previously.

(http://www.deer-uk.com/DSC1%20Q154.htm)


John