Dual Core Notebook CPUs Explored
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This is a clear article on performance comparison.
I have one question.
When your relatives ask you which is better the AMD notebook or the Intel notebook what do you say? Your charts make it clear to me but go to the store and think about how its your aunt, uncle or mom doing the shopping. She sees, Intel Centrino, dual core notebook, core duo centrino, pentium dual core, core 2 duo. How in the he** is she/he going to figure out what to get let alone figure out the chip speed model ratings within each group. And she/he has not even begun to look at memory and HD specs and they won't ever be able to figure the difference between built-in and discrete video.
Notebook retails are making a killing by confusing their customers and I don't see it ever getting better.
I have one question.
When your relatives ask you which is better the AMD notebook or the Intel notebook what do you say? Your charts make it clear to me but go to the store and think about how its your aunt, uncle or mom doing the shopping. She sees, Intel Centrino, dual core notebook, core duo centrino, pentium dual core, core 2 duo. How in the he** is she/he going to figure out what to get let alone figure out the chip speed model ratings within each group. And she/he has not even begun to look at memory and HD specs and they won't ever be able to figure the difference between built-in and discrete video.
Notebook retails are making a killing by confusing their customers and I don't see it ever getting better.
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Good point.
There are still a ton of laptops with the shitty old Intel chips in them.
I'm sure a decent number of older crummy AMD's(?).
So if you are to recommend intel make sure you point to the right chip.
Or make sure they get the AMD X2.
They both perform well and give you better battery life than previous chips.
There are still a ton of laptops with the shitty old Intel chips in them.
I'm sure a decent number of older crummy AMD's(?).
So if you are to recommend intel make sure you point to the right chip.
Or make sure they get the AMD X2.
They both perform well and give you better battery life than previous chips.
Ok while i appreciate the work you guys are doing on the mobile processor testing front.
Wouldn't it be better to give us comparisons of the laptops that are out there. Yes the Ferrari is a wonderful laptop for someone who has endless cash.
Most people want to know about the laptops you can buy at say Best Buy or Circuit city. I am looking for a laptop that can play WOW. I don't require much in terms of processing power or grachics power. But i have no idea which one is better than the other.
Or if anyone knows who focuses on laptops i would happily rant somewhere else.
As always keep up the incredible work.
THanks
Randy
Wouldn't it be better to give us comparisons of the laptops that are out there. Yes the Ferrari is a wonderful laptop for someone who has endless cash.
Most people want to know about the laptops you can buy at say Best Buy or Circuit city. I am looking for a laptop that can play WOW. I don't require much in terms of processing power or grachics power. But i have no idea which one is better than the other.
Or if anyone knows who focuses on laptops i would happily rant somewhere else.
As always keep up the incredible work.
THanks
Randy
I think the Turions would win in the game benchmarks (if there were unlimited funds, and if there were game benchmarks.) From what I've seen, the chipsets and video solutions for the AMD platform far exceed those of intel. I may be wrong, but I think nVidia made an SLi platform for AMD and not for Intel, which would give the AMD platform a huge advantage in the gaming/high-end market, enough to render the inferior CPU insignificant. Can anyone verify this?
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Heh I have seen some really sweet amd laptops with SLI.
I think your correct I am yet to see C2D laptops with SLI and raid ETC.
I remember them taking like.... 120-240 W I forget they we're beastly.
Alienwares and Cyberpower's best gaming laptops are AMD currently.
http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Aurora_mALX/aurora-m_overview.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AURORA-M-ALX&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
Also Dell is only using AMD for low budget cheap systems anyway so the fact that AMD only holds what crown currently doesn't really hurt them a bit there.
I think your correct I am yet to see C2D laptops with SLI and raid ETC.
I remember them taking like.... 120-240 W I forget they we're beastly.
Alienwares and Cyberpower's best gaming laptops are AMD currently.
http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Aurora_mALX/aurora-m_overview.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AURORA-M-ALX&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
Also Dell is only using AMD for low budget cheap systems anyway so the fact that AMD only holds what crown currently doesn't really hurt them a bit there.
I am very disappointed with this article and agree they should talk about laptops you really can buy at CircuitCity or BestBuy or Compusa.
They go into talking about the list of Core and Core2 and Turion but somehow the benchmarks drop out many of the most common CPUs in favor of ones that i cannot even find in stores.
Why do they list 4 Core chips but leave out the low end Core2 chips like the T5200 and T5500? Why don't they include the new Pentium Dual-Core T2060? And why do they list the high end Core2 chips T7600 and T7400 that i can't even see in stores?
The prices are rediculous too. Why list retail prices when that's not how almost EVERYONE buys laptop CPUs? How about list the price delta's between similiarly configured laptops for different CPUs. And why are the high end Core chips listed and benchmarks when their prices seem to be HIGHER than the low end Core2 chips that they appear would have the same benchmarks? WHY WOULD I BUY A Core T2600 when it costs MORE than a Core2 T7200 that scores much higher? And a Core T2700 should be scrapped. (same price as a T6700 indeed).
Anyways, can't a Core2 be put in the same socket as a Core? So who would actually BUY a high end Core chip when they can buy the same clocked Core2 for the same price that seems to benchmark much higher?
So, PLEASE redo this review with REAL prices and REAL chips that can be bought in REAL stores.
Just give me Pentium Dual-Core T2060, Core T2250, Core T2350, Core2 T5200, Core2 T5500, Core2 T7200, and AMD TL-50, TL-52, TL-56.
And give me the price DIFFERENCES in real-world machines between these CPUs.
They go into talking about the list of Core and Core2 and Turion but somehow the benchmarks drop out many of the most common CPUs in favor of ones that i cannot even find in stores.
Why do they list 4 Core chips but leave out the low end Core2 chips like the T5200 and T5500? Why don't they include the new Pentium Dual-Core T2060? And why do they list the high end Core2 chips T7600 and T7400 that i can't even see in stores?
The prices are rediculous too. Why list retail prices when that's not how almost EVERYONE buys laptop CPUs? How about list the price delta's between similiarly configured laptops for different CPUs. And why are the high end Core chips listed and benchmarks when their prices seem to be HIGHER than the low end Core2 chips that they appear would have the same benchmarks? WHY WOULD I BUY A Core T2600 when it costs MORE than a Core2 T7200 that scores much higher? And a Core T2700 should be scrapped. (same price as a T6700 indeed).
Anyways, can't a Core2 be put in the same socket as a Core? So who would actually BUY a high end Core chip when they can buy the same clocked Core2 for the same price that seems to benchmark much higher?
So, PLEASE redo this review with REAL prices and REAL chips that can be bought in REAL stores.
Just give me Pentium Dual-Core T2060, Core T2250, Core T2350, Core2 T5200, Core2 T5500, Core2 T7200, and AMD TL-50, TL-52, TL-56.
And give me the price DIFFERENCES in real-world machines between these CPUs.
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Remember that the two Turions are 1.8Ghz one has 256K L2 and the other has 512K L2. I was hoping to see the TL-60 which runs at 2GHz. Of it would catch the T7300 but it would be closer.
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Thank you for compiling and publishing this information. I am one those who e-mailed you asking for a mobile processor comparison chart.
This is just the sort of information for which I have been looking. This information can be used to make an informed decision before purchasing a laptop.
From your article I appreciate how much more difficult it is to compare mobile systems. I hope that in the future you will keep adding to the information as you alluded to in the article by testing the T5000 CPUs.
I have faith that you will also find a way to meaningfully compare the graphics systems as well. Perhaps you will find a way to assemble an improvised platform from parts to test the discrete graphics cards available.
This is just the sort of information for which I have been looking. This information can be used to make an informed decision before purchasing a laptop.
From your article I appreciate how much more difficult it is to compare mobile systems. I hope that in the future you will keep adding to the information as you alluded to in the article by testing the T5000 CPUs.
I have faith that you will also find a way to meaningfully compare the graphics systems as well. Perhaps you will find a way to assemble an improvised platform from parts to test the discrete graphics cards available.
WTF is up with these apple to oranges comparisons lately? :roll: Tom's Hardware used to be a reputable site for reviews, but the crap that has graced my screen in the last few months is just that, crap.
I'd rather see Tom's minions take an extra week to write/research these articles if that's what it takes to offer something that I used to find somewhat credible in the past (like when Tom himself used to write the articles back in the late '90s).
Comparing an AMD laptop to a mobile-on-desktop Intel config? How the hell does that offer any comparable data for a laptop system.... last time I looked, I couldn't fit a mobile-on-desktop system into a slim form factor i could throw in my bag and take to work.
Spend a little time shopping around on Dell, Gateway, etc's web sites, get two laptops with similar specs and capacities (RAM, HDD, battery size, screen size, price etc) and test them.
I'd rather see Tom's minions take an extra week to write/research these articles if that's what it takes to offer something that I used to find somewhat credible in the past (like when Tom himself used to write the articles back in the late '90s).
Comparing an AMD laptop to a mobile-on-desktop Intel config? How the hell does that offer any comparable data for a laptop system.... last time I looked, I couldn't fit a mobile-on-desktop system into a slim form factor i could throw in my bag and take to work.
Spend a little time shopping around on Dell, Gateway, etc's web sites, get two laptops with similar specs and capacities (RAM, HDD, battery size, screen size, price etc) and test them.
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Remember that the two Turions are 1.8Ghz one has 256K L2 and the other has 512K L2. I was hoping to see the TL-60 which runs at 2GHz. Of it would catch the T7300 but it would be closer.
Ohhh dear, hear comes the 'they don't have enough cache' excuse --- Baron this is the purpose of the IMC....
A Tl-60 woud put it just above the TL-56 --- the performance would still be dominated by Core Duo and Core 2 Duo....
It was about time we have a comprehensive mobile review....
Beat it jerk. I state clearly that t would't catch T7300 but it would show what the fastest member of the family would do.
I don't worry about these things because AlienWare is stil pushing their AuroraM9700 Turion w/SLI. That means that it powers games. PERIOD! That's all you need unless you have self-esteem issues.
My Turion X2 (from which I'm posting this) is more than fast enough for my needs and I have single channel RAM and 5400RPM (though this will change when I get my return). with a TL52 (which by the way is 1.6GHz w/512K).
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Remember that the two Turions are 1.8Ghz one has 256K L2 and the other has 512K L2. I was hoping to see the TL-60 which runs at 2GHz. Of it would catch the T7300 but it would be closer.
Ohhh dear, hear comes the 'they don't have enough cache' excuse --- Baron this is the purpose of the IMC....
A Tl-60 woud put it just above the TL-56 --- the performance would still be dominated by Core Duo and Core 2 Duo....
It was about time we have a comprehensive mobile review....
Beat it jerk. I state clearly that t would't catch T7300 but it would show what the fastest member of the family would do.
I don't worry about these things because AlienWare is stil pushing their AuroraM9700 Turion w/SLI. That means that it powers games. PERIOD! That's all you need unless you have self-esteem issues.
My Turion X2 (from which I'm posting this) is more than fast enough for my needs and I have single channel RAM and 5400RPM (though this will change when I get my return). with a TL52 (which by the way is 1.6GHz w/512K).You're such a great spokesman for AMD...we know how much Hector worships you. :roll:
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It's possible. There's only one BaronMatrix and he is on like 10 sites. They should send me a laptop.
I think this was a good review however I feel it could have been better. I must say that I am disappointed with the choice in hardware chosen. For a closer comparison I would have chosen Acer Ferrari 5000 and an Acer Travelmate 8200. These are pretty much the exact same laptop and would have provided a better real world application of each cpu. I have the Acer 8210 and would love to see a benchmark between the two. I know that my laptop does super pi in 1m 4.125s which is faster than any other core duo laptop that I know of and would like to see what the Ferrari does this in. No other two platforms are so close in specs or hardware as those two laptops.
I have to agree with lschiedel . . . although the review seems detailed and comprehensive at first glance, this review is pretty useless for comparing current models in the marketplace. By far most of the Intel models out there right now use the T2050, T2060, T2250, T5200 and T5500. I had just purchased a well-priced HP notebook ($599) from Best Buy that has the AMD X2 TL-50 in it, and had hoped to compare it to the Intel cpu's that are out there like the T2060 and higher, and unfortunately, that's not the case here. If anyone sees this type of review elsewhere, please post it here . . . if I find it, I'll do the same.
Update - these older reviews and commentaries might be more helpful:
AMD X2 TL series vs. Intel T2500, etc.
AMD X2 TL-50 vs Intel T2300
AMD TL-50 vs. Intel T2050
Overclockers forum discussion of TL-50 vs T2050
If I had to venture a guess (without the T2060 being in the actual reviews and only having the 2050 and TL-50 in other reviews and the 2300 and TL-52 as "closest models" in this current 2/27 TH review), it would seem that the Intel T2060 and the AMD TL-50 would probably be pretty close on the performance benchmarks (with the T2060 probably still coming out ahead), and the TL-50 might suck wind in a battery life comparison. The T2060 seems to be viewed as considerably less than a T2050. Interesting comment in that Overclocker's discussion that the TL-50 is "really a Sempron X2." Well, I have a decision to make, but depending on how I decide to go on the processor, for my purposes, the battery life won't matter much, since I'll probably be on A/C power most of the time. And if I run into issues in the future, I might just upgrade from a 6-cell to a 12-cell battery. If I keep this system. Man, I wish someone would truly do a comprehensive review of all the current mobile processors that are being sold in systems advertised in the papers every week.
Update - these older reviews and commentaries might be more helpful:
AMD X2 TL series vs. Intel T2500, etc.
AMD X2 TL-50 vs Intel T2300
AMD TL-50 vs. Intel T2050
Overclockers forum discussion of TL-50 vs T2050
If I had to venture a guess (without the T2060 being in the actual reviews and only having the 2050 and TL-50 in other reviews and the 2300 and TL-52 as "closest models" in this current 2/27 TH review), it would seem that the Intel T2060 and the AMD TL-50 would probably be pretty close on the performance benchmarks (with the T2060 probably still coming out ahead), and the TL-50 might suck wind in a battery life comparison. The T2060 seems to be viewed as considerably less than a T2050. Interesting comment in that Overclocker's discussion that the TL-50 is "really a Sempron X2." Well, I have a decision to make, but depending on how I decide to go on the processor, for my purposes, the battery life won't matter much, since I'll probably be on A/C power most of the time. And if I run into issues in the future, I might just upgrade from a 6-cell to a 12-cell battery. If I keep this system. Man, I wish someone would truly do a comprehensive review of all the current mobile processors that are being sold in systems advertised in the papers every week.
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The turions still suck everywhere compared to Core2s, especially in the most important laptop feature; power consumption.
However, that is how sellers cannibalize sales; I almost got a heart attack one year ago when they told me a 3.0GHz Pentium4 had been chosen for my office PC when I had recommended a X2 4400+ which was even cheaper as a system overall. Most of the buyers trustfully ask a good PC for their needs but get screwed getting just a PC that helps the seller balance his inventory
.Hello. I wanted to ask yall some thing.
I'm looking in to geting a laptop for just watching movie and playing games.
But I dont have all the money in the world to spend on one.
I was looking at one with a Intel core 2 Duo T5600
2 gigs of ram and a7600 Geforce 512 video card..
Would this be all that Iw oudld need.
If this wasnt the right place to ask then I am sorry 😳 ..
Just have this Deleted
I'm looking in to geting a laptop for just watching movie and playing games.
But I dont have all the money in the world to spend on one.
I was looking at one with a Intel core 2 Duo T5600
2 gigs of ram and a7600 Geforce 512 video card..
Would this be all that Iw oudld need.
If this wasnt the right place to ask then I am sorry 😳 ..
Just have this Deleted
thenomadrhodes
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Hello. I wanted to ask yall some thing.
I'm looking in to geting a laptop for just watching movie and playing games.
But I dont have all the money in the world to spend on one.
I was looking at one with a Intel core 2 Duo T5600
2 gigs of ram and a7600 Geforce 512 video card..
Would this be all that I would need.
If this wasnt the right place to ask then I am sorry 😳 ..
Just have this Deleted
I'm looking in to geting a laptop for just watching movie and playing games.
But I dont have all the money in the world to spend on one.
I was looking at one with a Intel core 2 Duo T5600
2 gigs of ram and a7600 Geforce 512 video card..
Would this be all that I would need.
If this wasnt the right place to ask then I am sorry 😳 ..
Just have this Deleted
3Ball
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Well I have a 15.4 inch notebook with that same processor, 1.5gb of ram, and an ATI X1600 mobility and it is able to play pretty much every game out, just not at real high settings on alot of them, such as rainbow six vegas, which needs to be at 800x600 and low settings, but is clear and playable. So I imagine you will be fine. How much u payin?
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3Ball
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3Ball
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