Dvorak in love with Quad FX

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In the latest PC Magazine, Dvorak plugs the Quad FX in not one, but TWO articles:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2071732,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000585

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2072322,00.asp

Never have I seen Dvorak talk out his ass with such bravado. Start typing your hate mail. :wink:

I mentioned in another thread that about 5% of people answering out of more than 1000 said they were upgrading to QFX. It's going to catch on. especially if Newegg's prices are for two CPUs.
 

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Dvorak shills for whoever pays him the most. Known fact ...

He cant argue with the beating QFX gets in all the benchmarks so he resorts to just "liking it" :lol:

Intel also uses paid shills ... so AMD need not feel too bad 8)
 

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In the latest PC Magazine, Dvorak plugs the Quad FX in not one, but TWO articles:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2071732,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000585

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2072322,00.asp

Never have I seen Dvorak talk out his ass with such bravado. Start typing your hate mail. :wink:

I mentioned in another thread that about 5% of people answering out of more than 1000 said they were upgrading to QFX. It's going to catch on. especially if Newegg's prices are for two CPUs.

Polls dont count when you walk into the AMD Fab36 lunch room, point a gun at someones head and say, "Are you gunna buy the QFX for the employ dicounted price of free, or not" as they set the hammer with a resounding click.
 

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In the latest PC Magazine, Dvorak plugs the Quad FX in not one, but TWO articles:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2071732,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000585

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2072322,00.asp

Never have I seen Dvorak talk out his ass with such bravado. Start typing your hate mail. :wink:

I mentioned in another thread that about 5% of people answering out of more than 1000 said they were upgrading to QFX. It's going to catch on. especially if Newegg's prices are for two CPUs.

Polls dont count when you walk into the AMD Fab36 lunch room, point a gun at someones head and say, "Are you gunna buy the QFX for the employ dicounted price of free, or not" as they set the hammer with a resounding click.


But that's exactly what you do with Core 2. You threaten, insult, ridicule people who even consider not buying Core 2.


THAT'S WHY I'LL NEVER BUY IT!!!!
 

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Baron, Baron, Baron, nobody is threatening you, even if someone was to do so over the C2D, it’s on the net! What are they going to do? Send you gay porn?

Your insistence at having a QFX puzzles me, a woodcrest/clovertown workstation is clearly superior in satisfying to your developer needs. After all, the valve guys wont even touch QFX, aren’t they developers too?

I’m not sure why Dvorak likes QFX, there is no reason why a professional like him should recommend it. Sure, there’s Barcelona, but no reporter worth his salt would recommend something that hasn’t even been tested. Maybe he hasn’t taken a look at the benchmarks, but then, what kind of reporter would he be if he hasn’t?

All roads lead to C2D as the best PC starting 2007.
 

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Baron, Baron, Baron, nobody is threatening you, even if someone was to do so over the C2D, it’s on the net! What are they going to do? Send you gay porn?

Your insistence at having a QFX puzzles me, a woodcrest/clovertown workstation is clearly superior in satisfying to your developer needs. After all, the valve guys wont even touch QFX, aren’t they developers too?

I’m not sure why Dvorak likes QFX, there is no reason why a professional like him should recommend it. Sure, there’s Barcelona, but no reporter worth his salt would recommend something that hasn’t even been tested. Maybe he hasn’t taken a look at the benchmarks, but then, what kind of reporter would he be if he hasn’t?

All roads lead to C2D as the best PC starting 2007.
See what I mean? Opteron is the same thing. It uses server RAM and has a premium. A Clovertown wksta from Dell with two 5345 (2.33 with 4GB RAM and the equivalent of 8800) was $5600. Woodcrest and Opteron top out at over $3500. A decked out QFX is around $2600. Each Clovertown is 130W also, while Woodcrest needs FBDIMMS.

This is America and free choice leads to pointless debates about what I should do with my money - I mean means I can choose what I want whether it's foolish, childish or contributes to dimming the neighborhood's lights.
8O
 

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Wow, it's been many years since I've read anything Dvorak has written, and after following those two links I now recall why it's been years since I've read anything he has written.

Egads.

Well, if he likes AMD he's within his rights to say so. Too bad it's currently an un-informed preference. At least for now.

He doesn't know that more RAM will improve the OS performance.

In this age of VM software he thinks dual-boot is a practical solution, and it seems like he has no idea what the MCE to Vista upgrade path is.

His "perfect" PC uses RAID-5?

He's gonna use four graphics cards to do what exactly? Besides make his local utility company stockholders jump for joy...

He accuses Windows of bottlenecking LAN performance. Oh, well yeah, you're right, this is the same guy who doesn't know RAM will improve OS performance.

Wireless as a LAN backup??

And moving on to that AMD mule and prostitute show, when the benchmarks I have seen show the E6300 and the X2 4200 to be fairly close in overall performance, one has to wonder about the alleged performance difference. Although I'm not surprised a GeForce chipset would generally trounce those Intel controllers.

Thanks for reminding me of just how much of an ill-informed, lazy, pointless fool Dvorak has become. It's impressive when the layman can find problems with nearly every paragraph!

-Brad
 

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Wow, such hate for a writer that wrote an article on what he thought would be the best. Sure, he chose Quad FX for his board of choice, but that isn't too bad. Maybe its just the platform he wanted. A platform that could support something like... 4 graphics cards (more cards generally equals more performance. Noticeably higher? no).

His contention on the memory was an upgrade from 4 to 8 gigabytes of memory. I too would like to see a performance benefit on a desktop system between those two levels of memory right now.

Wireless? Eh, kinda dumb, but many people are doing it these days, who knows why?

Dual boot? Many prefer it, I know I do. I use linux as my normal OS, and when I have to do something that is hardware intensive, like play a video game, I switch to windows. You can't play the same games in linux.

RAID5? Never even mentioned. Sure, he mentioned 3 terabyte drives, but that could be in JBOD as well. Minor point anyway, as he proposed other solutions as well.

@er-buddy
Frankly, I am saddened by the amount of downright hatred that comes to light in these forums for people of differing opinions. I am also disappointed by the lack of long-term vision that many people here tend to have. It seems that the definition of "enthusiast" has come to mean "someone who only looks at what's right in front of them and cares not for anything else", at least in the computer hardware sense. Perhaps I'm wrong, but could we at least not resort to name calling? I mean, come on! we're supposed to be at least old enough to know better!

I know I'll not make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things here, but maybe someone will take it to heart and realize that even though you're behind a keyboard, that doesn't make it that you shouldn't follow the rules of common courtesy. [/saddened plea for civility among nerds]
 

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Wow, such hate for a writer that wrote an article on what he thought would be the best.
Well, I've been reading his stuff going way, way back to the days when he actually knew what he was talking about in the early eighties. Some people can't maintain their edge and in my ever so humble opinion, he is apparently one of them. Sure he's allowed to have his opinions, but when his articles influence thousands of people it would be nice if his opinions were based on reality. Here's a guy who makes a living writing about the IT industry and he doesn't know (and couldn't even be bothered to hit windows.com/vista and use ONE mouse-click to discover) that Home Premium or Ultimate incorporates the features of XP MCE.

But let's say for a moment that I'm just being a hyper-critical dick about this and I'll address your commentary as objectively as I can (however much that may be)...

There IS data out there about performance improvements as memory increases, particularly with Vista by the way so long as you're qualifying your parameters with the word "desktop". It's one of the reasons the box I'm building next month will have 8GB!

Dvorak didn't just mention using wireless, he mentioned using it as a backup. Since most high end AMD motherboards are being delivered with dual Ethernet adapters, and since another one is easier to add than wireless, I don't see the point in using a technology with less than a tenth of the speed capacity, especially after he bitched about GbE supposedly being strangled by Windows. Boy, if he's not happy with GbE on Windows he's really gonna be pissed with 802.11n (eh, draft, currently).

VMware. No need to dual-boot and waste time with shut-downs and re-starts and no worries about respective boot managers trampling each other. You can host it from Linux or Windows, or you can use GSX or ESX. Suave stuff if you don't mind losing a few clock cycles here and there. And then you have the option of trying out other operating systems with ease. But I highly doubt VMware will support the four video card arrangement he fancies. So... maybe I could give you this one.

Dvorak did too mention using RAID. "On its recent road show, AMD showed off a machine with 12 hard drives. That may be going overboard. I think I'd prefer 3 Seagate SATA terabyte drives arranged in a RAID array instead. I'm not conceding this one. And in my opinion it was just a shameless plug for Seagate. Oh, did I mention nobody makes a terabyte drive yet?

-Brad
 

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Well im gonna get bashed for sure oh well.
I do not like intel, its that simple. I have not bought an intel cpu since my 8088 and im not about to start now.
Way back in the day (Yea im probably older then 99% of you but who knows) I had my commodor vic-20, 64, then the 128, trash 80(Not a mistype :p ) etc.
Then came pcs woo I said. Well I was also poor and Intel was very pricey so I bought cyrix/amd although mostly Amd. My last Cyrix was a 6x86p166+ at 120mhz I believe it was. Something like that. Was incompatible with some software. Like Unreal(The first one mind you). Couldnt play it at first had to wait for a patch. So I stayed with Amd after that. They kept socket 7 alive after intel abandoned it. K62 was first decent one(K5 sucked its true). K63 was even better but even then everyone was buying the more mhz is better line from intel. I rejoiced when they came out with the Athlon thats for sure.

Bottom line is Intel has been sticking it to people for so long and so viciously I cant stand em. I have 9 computers now and none of them are Intel inside thank you. People give me old computers sometimes I give the intels away to someone else who needs one.

So is Core 2 superior ? Yep you bet its faster, a lot faster for some things.
I do a lot of video editing and coding. I am sure a core2 would be faster but I wont buy em cause I hate Intel.
However if someone ask's me what to buy I will tell them to buy a core2 if it would suit them better. My personal feelings do not get in the way of business.

Bash away I dont care.
 

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Well im gonna get bashed for sure oh well.
I do not like intel, its that simple. I have not bought an intel cpu since my 8088 and im not about to start now.
Way back in the day (Yea im probably older then 99% of you but who knows) I had my commodor vic-20, 64, then the 128, trash 80(Not a mistype :p ) etc.
Then came pcs woo I said. Well I was also poor and Intel was very pricey so I bought cyrix/amd although mostly Amd. My last Cyrix was a 6x86p166+ at 120mhz I believe it was. Something like that. Was incompatible with some software. Like Unreal(The first one mind you). Couldnt play it at first had to wait for a patch. So I stayed with Amd after that. They kept socket 7 alive after intel abandoned it. K62 was first decent one(K5 sucked its true). K63 was even better but even then everyone was buying the more mhz is better line from intel. I rejoiced when they came out with the Athlon thats for sure.

Bottom line is Intel has been sticking it to people fo


r so long and so viciously I cant stand em. I have 9 computers now and none of them are Intel inside thank you. People give me old computers sometimes I give the intels away to someone else who needs one.

So is Core 2 superior ? Yep you bet its faster, a lot faster for some things.
I do a lot of video editing and coding. I am sure a core2 would be faster but I wont buy em cause I hate Intel.
However if someone ask's me what to buy I will tell them to buy a core2 if it would suit them better. My personal feelings do not get in the way of business.

Bash away I dont care.
A man after my own heart. A company's business model is just as important as their products.
 

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Hold on a sec here. BM I respect your choice and dont bash you for it but you sir are a bit too much of a fanboy for my taste.

If a customer came to you or a friend whatever, say they asked you what cpu to buy. They are doing video editing and desktop publishing.
I would reccomend a core2 or even a core2 quad if they wanted high end.

You wouldnt recomend intel to anyone EVER.

Please do NOT associate me with bm!
I have reccomended core2 many times on this forum if you want to look.
I even gave thought to buying one briefly, very briefly. My personal money wont go to intel that is true but a fanboy ? Nope. Fanboys have no grasp on reality.
 

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After re-reading my last post and looking back at Dvorak's "The Perfect PC 2007" article, I just figured out what it is that annoys me so much about this guy.

It's not the lack of knowledge. Plenty of writers and speakers suffer from that. It's the utter laziness. It's not that he doesn't know the stuff, he just doesn't care enough to even bother finding out. He wants everything spoon fed to him...

He writes "Four gigs for starters; eight might be better, although I'd like to see some data on the effectiveness of more memory." He never implied the data doesn't exist, he just wants someone to feed it to him. Or maybe the guy has never heard of Google.

It goes perfectly along with him writing "The machine has to dual-boot Windows Vista and Linux. [...] The OS needs to incorporate Windows Media Center Edition software." He doesn't know because he wants Bill Gates to call him personally and give him the right version.

The only amazing part of any of his article is that he was actually more or less correct about his choice in wireless chipsets. Well, except that it's still very vulnerable to interference and cranks down speed when legacy devices are near.

-Brad
 

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Hold on a sec here. BM I respect your choice and dont bash you for it but you sir are a bit too much of a fanboy for my taste.

If a customer came to you or a friend whatever, say they asked you what cpu to buy. They are doing video editing and desktop publishing.
I would reccomend a core2 or even a core2 quad if they wanted high end.

You wouldnt recomend intel to anyone EVER.

Please do NOT associate me with bm!
I have reccomended core2 many times on this forum if you want to look.
I even gave thought to buying one briefly, very briefly. My personal money wont go to intel that is true but a fanboy ? Nope. Fanboys have no grasp on reality.
i have seen bm reccomending a c2d over an amd plenty of times here at the forums.
 

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Hold on a sec here. BM I respect your choice and dont bash you for it but you sir are a bit too much of a fanboy for my taste.

If a customer came to you or a friend whatever, say they asked you what cpu to buy. They are doing video editing and desktop publishing.
I would reccomend a core2 or even a core2 quad if they wanted high end.

You wouldnt recomend intel to anyone EVER.

Please do NOT associate me with bm!
I have reccomended core2 many times on this forum if you want to look.
I even gave thought to buying one briefly, very briefly. My personal money wont go to intel that is true but a fanboy ? Nope. Fanboys have no grasp on reality.
i have seen bm reccomending a c2d over an amd plenty of times here at the forums.

I don't think that prevents anyone from being considered a fanboi. Recommendation (free) != Assembled Systems (investment).

Plus, BaronMatrix is like Sharikou - he spins facts or rumors in a pro-AMD anti-Intel way; all information from BaronMatrix may or may not be true, and is likely contaminated by his own biased interpretation.
 

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damn just looking at your sig. 8O

thats a killer system. :lol:
And i thought my P2 celeron 366mhz was the worst system on the forums... BUT no more, by the end of the week i shall have a dual core beast with an 8800gts... HE HE HE :wink:
 

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damn just looking at your sig. 8O

thats a killer system. :lol:
And i thought my P2 celeron 366mhz was the worst system on the forums... BUT no more, by the end of the week i shall have a dual core beast with an 8800gts... HE HE HE :wink:

well if your new cpu is c2d based. it will be better than mine :cry:
as will be your gpu :cry:
 

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damn just looking at your sig. 8O

thats a killer system. :lol:
And i thought my P2 celeron 366mhz was the worst system on the forums... BUT no more, by the end of the week i shall have a dual core beast with an 8800gts... HE HE HE :wink:

well if your new cpu is c2d based. it will be better than mine :cry:
as will be your gpu :cry:

Well actually the processor is a x2 3800 EE, but i plan on overclocking it to at least 2.6ghz, so that should be about e6400 levels. I mainly play games so i didn't splurge on the processor, plus i want to upgrade it later so whats the point of spending all the money now?
 

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I've always wondered about Evil Root's rig. With such a low amount of ram, I can't imagine it running Windows 98 very well. Even DSL would be strapped for resources. I'm thinking either Windows 95, or MenuetOS. Bonus points to Evil Root if he's running DOS. :)
 

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mine is a x24400 have had it to 2.6 but no difference except in the benchies.

old one is a 3700 and have had it to 2.6 still no diff but in the benchies.

im happy with both.

one thing was. i split my 4 512,s up to make the 2 comp,s.
now that sucked.

just today got 2 more 512 sticks for the 3700 computer.
and got all 4 512 sticks of corsair xms back in my computer.
WOOHOO :!:

man 2 gigs is far faster than one gig, an oc cant even touch that.
after i went back to 1 gig i oc,ed my x2 to 2.7 (couldnt get that)
with 4 sticks.

to try to make up the lack of ram but no go.

in short i like more memory :lol:
 

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