Dying Motherboard or dying hard drive? (or something else entirely?)

Marlous

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(I apologise in advance for the length of my post - in my experience it's best to be as detailed as possible when it comes to pc troubleshooting, so as to rule out as much as possible beforehand)

History: over the course of the past 2 months or so, our PC became increasingly slower - up to the point of freezing every few minutes and showing a stuttering cursor that looked pretty garbled. The Event Log showed a long list of errors, mostly PerfLoad and Kernel (I've forgotten the ID numbers, my apology). It didn't really look good overall, and after some searching around on the net for possible causes I decided I might as well start with some spring cleaning and do a format/clean install.
So I backed up all our files to an external HDD (fitted in a usb casing, 1TB), formatted D (internal hard drive, 2TB, secundary) and ran something to check it for issues (forgot what it was, but iirc it was in the system tools folder). I found I couldn't format C (internal hard drive, 300GB, primary) from DOS anymore (last time I performed all of this myself was when I was still a student and had a pc with XP) and found the onyl way to do so was through the Windows CD. Fine, then.
The next morning, which was last Thursday, I popped in the Windows CD and proceeded to format C (which I suspect was a quick format and not the thorough full data-wiping format I would've liked, because it literally took 5 seconds), after which I installed Windows 7 (full Home edition instead of the Ultimate edition we first had) and all necessary drivers on the CD that came with the motherboard. This took up all of my Thursday.
On Friday I started with a defrag and then continued to install Firefox, Microsoft Security Essentials, and the in-browser stuff like Flash/Shockwave/Java. I plugged in my external HDD, opened Explorer, clicked on one of the folders... and everything stopped responding and Explorer froze up. I couldn't stop Explorer through Task Manager, not even by 'go to process' and terminate that. To make sure my data wouldn't become corrupted, I quickly clicked 'remove hardware' and pulled out the cable of my HDD. To be on the safe side, I went to a friend's house and asked if I could plug in my HDD there and check it. I was able to access every file perfectly fine, there were no viruses or bad sectors or whatnot, nothing. So from what I gather, my HDD wasn't the culprit. Phew.

When I came back home and launched the computer, the issues I had before the format started again: the computer would freeze for several seconds, the cursor would stutter and look distorted, and sometimes the computer would freeze completely so I'd have to reboot (strangely enough, in about half those cases the cursor would still be able to move around - everything else just stopped responding, including ctrl-alt-del). I plugged in my HDD for another attempt, but no matter which port I tried, the pc refused to recognise it. Not even the little puh-dum sound to tell me it was aware of something being plugged in. Event Log again showed a few PerfLoad and Kernel warnings, although not as many as I'd get before the format/install. Great.

I went to search for possible causes, found several mentions of chkdsk and decided to run it. I entered 'chkdsk /f' in cmd and was told it'd run on startup. Sure, fine.

That was around 17:00 last Friday. I haven't been able to use my computer ever since.

The current situation is this: my computer is on, but I get no visuals - I switched from our HDMI screen to a VGA one, but it just gave the 'no VGA signal' message and went to sleep. This means that I can't check if chkdsk is still running or whether it has frozen.
The sounds coming from the pc sound similar to when it's idle. No churning, no grinding, nothing. On the upside, no Crunchy or Clicky Sounds of Death.
At the front there's a blue led burning bright and uninterrupted (when there's processes running it blinks or stutters, so I assume this is the hard drive). Inside the pc there's a row of tiny red lights on the motherboard burning bright and uninterrupted. At the back there's a yellowgreen light blinking, which the boyfriend says is the network card.
For the rest, nothing.

I'm afraid to force stop chkdsk, because I've read in several places that it's something you most definitely should NOT do. And besides, it won't solve anything, since it'll just start all over as soon as I boot up again. Sod that.
However, not stopping chkdsk means I won't be able to use my computer for sod knows how long - I've read about it taking up to 2,5 weeks in one particular case. I can't go without a pc for that long, I've got stuff to do. Besides, if chkdsk has indeed frozen then I could very well wait till hell freezes over and still not see a change.

So now I find myself in an impasse. I could simply consider the hard drive deceased, forcibly shut down the pc by pulling the power out, remove C and insert a newly bought one, and just install the lot again. However. Should the problem turn out to be not the hard drive, but the motherboard, then we won't be able to buy a motherboard. The current state of our wallet limits us to either a new hard drive or a new motherboard, but not both. So I need a way to determine which of the two it is BEFORE we buy either one.

I found various lists of symptoms of a dying hard drive, but a lot of the things listed aren't happening. No funny crunchy/clicking/unusual noises, no missing or corrupted files (at least, none that I'm aware of), only the freezing during simple stuff like browsing FF or Explorer. The boyfriend was able to play BF3 an entire evening without any issues whatsoever, which we decided rules out the video card. The boyfriend is inclined towards laying blame on the hard drive, because he says it's already 7-8 years old. Quite frankly though, to me that doesn't necessarily mean that's the issue. It might very well be the motherboard instead. But I can't test it without forcibly terminating chkdsk, which might fry our hard drive. Urgh.

I spent the past weekend searching for advice on what to do, but I can't find a solution that suits my particular issue. Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

~Marlous.
 
If nothing shows up on the screen, its almost certainly a motherboard issue.

I'm wondering if you run your computer monitor through a graphics card or through the motherboard. You should check if its not the graphics card, but considering the previous 'slow-down' you experienced, I'd say it wouldn't have much to do with the graphics card.

If the Hard-Drive were to fail completely, the computer would still display the BIOS on boot.

I had an issue with a computer a year ago. Old Intel Core 2 Motherboard. The stupid thing would chew up HDD's and spit them out. So I had to throw it away. And considering there isn't too much of a market for a Core 2 socket motherboard. I just upgraded.

It sounds like your motherboard. But if your issue is anything like mine was (which it does) All the Hard Drives that touched that Motherboard are completely useless now. It seems to have crashed the Disk-Head's some how, meaning that the Hard Drive becomes a piece of metal.

My advice is: Replace the motherboard. Format the HDD again. And if your symptoms persist, you'll probably need a new Hard Drive as well :C
 
Some things are not clear here. How old is the computer? It sounds like it's 7-8 years old and if so a hard drive failure would not be unusual. You could also be having a RAM issue as well and should check for that. You state that you have a 300GB primary and 2TB secondary internal HDs. You say that you tested a HD on a friend's computer, which one? Do you have your data on the 2TB HD and the OS on the 300GB HD? If so, easiest thing is to remove the 300GB HD (which sounds like the bad one) and see if you can load Windows on the secondary HD and make it the C:/ drive. chkdsk should not take very long to look at a 300GB HD for errors.

If your computer is really as old as it appears, chances of getting a replacement motherboard or RAM are likely quite difficult as the technology has moved so fast that such parts (other than the hard drive) are not being manufactured any longer.
 
Oh wauw, I hadn't expected any responses yet. You guys are fast. 😀



The standard screen is HDMI and runs through the graphics card. However, the alternate screen I had hooked up yesterday was VGA and ran through the motherboard.



Our sentiments exactly; if the boyfriend can play BF3 for several hours and get no problems, then it should be something else.



The last time the pc successfully booted I got the screens to press F8/del for BIOS and Safe Mode and whatnot, so I assume that's still okay. I just can't enter either of them, apparently because of some issue with usb 3.0 and our keyboard not being recognised until Windows has launched, but that's another matter.



Thank you for your advice. I'll just respectfully hold off from doing what you suggest for the moment, at least until I've exhausted all other options and have no choice but to replace both hard drive and motherboard. Which is not something I aim for, what with the budget problem I mentioned earlier. :s

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My apologies, I should've been clearer. The hard drive is the only component that's 7-8 years old, the rest is only 2 years old. Back then the boyfriend built a new pc from various components and took the hard drive from his old pc to serve as primary drive in the new one.



Given my current situation (chkdsk hijacking my pc), how would you suggest I do that?



C = 300GB. It holds the OS and MSE files.
D = 2TB. It is currently empty and checked.
Ext = 1TB. It holds all our data and is the one I had checked at a friend's house.



So, uhm... would you consider 71 hours to be 'not very long'? 😉

Yes, the idea of making D the master with the OS had crossed my mind, but I don't dare do anything yet to interrupt chkdsk. Yet.
 
Ok, thanks for the clarification. Regarding entering the BIOS, are you using a wireless keyboard? If so see if you can find an old wired PS2 or USB 2 keyboard and try that. Sometimes the wireless keyboard drivers don't load in time and you cannot enter the BIOS by F8/del. I suspect that the 300GB HD is toast and you really have nothing to lose by just stopping things right now and see if you can get your system up and running by using the 2TB HD for the OS. You have all your critical files backed up and you could be waiting a lot longer for chkdsk to finish running (if it ever does).
 


Not wireless, but usb - just like the mouse. As a matter of fact I had just dug up a ps/2 mouse to see if perhaps the computer had gone to sleep mode (which can only be exited with a mouse click, it seems)... but there are no ps/2 ports. -.-
(if you find that hard to believe, it's this one: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z68V/)

So you think there's little to no hope left for the 300GB drive? I suppose 2TB is large enough to be divided into 2 partitions, like 500/1500... I have to admit that personally, I prefer 2 hard drives over 1 drive with 2 partitions (in case of hard drive failures), but if it's not affordable at the moment then I guess I can live with a partitioned hard drive, haha. At least the drive holding our important data is a separate/external one; to me that's crucial.

Hm, okay... so if I were to do this, it'd mean I can start checking the motherboard, see if it needs to be replaced, and (since we wouldn't have to buy a new hard drive) we'd have the money for a new motherboard if need be. That could work.

Very well then. I'll go pull the power plug and give our hard drive its last rites. After I have installed everything and fired every diagnostics tool I can find at the motherboard, I'll report back. Thanks for the help so far! :)
 
My apologies for taking a week to report back, but I spent all days installing a new hard drive (the boyfriend also prefers to have 2 hard drives instead of 1 partitioned one), running a load of motherboard diagnostics tools, getting loads of errors because something had messed up the register, Explorer crashing on me which turned out to be Spybot 2, MSE demanding a 2nd install and then throwing loads of errors at me, eventually re-installing Windows (without a C format because the keyboard doesn't work until Windows is loaded, preventing me to boot from disc as a result), and just now I finalised everything and made a recovery point. I did see a few weird listings in the Event Log, but I'm too weary to dive into those and reckoned, if it ain't broke I ain't fixing it. So far so good. I thought.

Surely enough, just when I relaxed a little and moved on to installing programs, new issues hit me in the face. Installing Office 2010 isn't possible, because it coughs up an error and shuts down. The Event Log rambles about Kernel-EventTracing and I'm getting a bit desperate - does this mean I'm having to spend several days searching fora again, being flooded with terms I have to familiarise myself with yet again, and hoping that maybe this Nth page will present a solve? Urgh.

I made a screenshot of my Event Log (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/elysiancherry/eventlog25-11_zps68172795.png), in the hopes of anyone here being able to make some sense out of it. Unfortunately it's in Dutch (tried to change the language, but it seems linked to the country of residence), but hopefully easy enough to decipher. Basically, is this all a sign that the motherboard is also giving up on me, or is something else going on?

Oh, and the current situation is as follows:

- C (Seagate 1TB, brand new), holds clean&updated Windows installation, MSE, and stuff like FF, Chrome, Flash/Shockwave/Reader
- D (Hitachi, 2TB, formatted), empty
- Ext (PackardBell, 1TB, usb-connected), holds all important data

- ASUS motherboard P8Z68-v
- Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti, drivers from March 2013 (because newer versions give display/stability errors)