[SOLVED] easy fastest way to install w10 onto a 2nd drive?

[hddtosdd]

laptop comes with 2 drives
it looks like this:

https://imgur.com/a/bDw1QSf

View: https://imgur.com/a/bDw1QSf

disk 1= hdd
disk 0 = sdd

question #1: im guessing w10 is running on the hdd?
but the sdd says it has 'system' w/e that means

w10 installed, is activated
did the windows updates


problem: the 'cloning' softwares does not let me 'clone' the hdd to the sdd
question #2: why? what is the problem?

dunno which is faster, to do clean install on ssd and do updates again, or just clone
question #3: has anyone done this kind of thing recently? which is faster?

question #4: are there any good articles or youtubes that tells us what we're suppose to do?

the general sites just says one option is to use the cloning software, but they dont tell explain to us what we're suppose to do
another option seems to be 'system image' but that seems extremely complicated with so many steps

 

[USAFRet]

Disk 0 is a 250GB SSD?
What specific make/model?

Disk 1 is a 1TB HDD, with apparently ~90GB consumed space?

This is a laptop?
is this correct?

 

[USAFRet]

What specific laptop, how long have you had it?

 

[hddtosdd]

is laptop yea, what am i suppose to do? i dont understand which questions was being answered

short time, not long
dunno how to check model of sdd, how i do that?

 

[USAFRet]

Answers to these questions are needed to determine the best way forward.

Did the SSD come with the laptop, or something you purchased later?

Install and run Speccy. This might tell us what specific SSD is in there.

 

[hddtosdd]

came with lap
ill try that software
why is specific ssd needed tho?

 

[hddtosdd]

says the same thing on 'device manager'
seems like this speecy software wasnt needed
dunno if this is the 'model'

LITEON IT LCS-256L9S-11 2.5 7mm 256GB (SSD)
Heads 16
Cylinders 31,130
Tracks 7,938,150
Sectors 500,103,450
SATA type SATA-III 6.0Gb/s
Device type Fixed
ATA Standard ATA8-ACS
Serial Number TW03YYV35508544N4962
Firmware Version Number HC8110A
LBA Size 48-bit LBA
Power On Count 2047 times
Power On Time Unknown
Speed Not used (SSD Drive)
Features S.M.A.R.T., AAM, NCQ, TRIM, SSD
Max. Transfer Mode SATA III 6.0Gb/s
Used Transfer Mode SATA III 6.0Gb/s
Interface SATA
Capacity 238 GB
Real size 256,060,514,304 bytes
RAID Type None
S.M.A.R.T
Status Bad
S.M.A.R.T attributes
Attribute name Real value Current Worst Threshold Raw Value Status
05 Reallocated Sectors Count 0 0 0 10 0000000000 Bad
0C Device Power Cycle Count 2,047 100 100 0 00000007FF Good
AF Program Fail Count (Chip) 0 0 0 10 0000000000 Good
B0 Erase Fail Count 0 0 0 10 0000000000 Good
B1 Wear Leveling Count 67,787 2 2 90 00000108CB Good
B2 Unexpected Power Loss 0 0 0 10 0000000000 Good
B4 Reserved Block Count 1,376 100 100 10 0000000560 Good
BB Reported Uncorrectable Errors 0 100 100 0 0000000000 Good
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 100 0 0000000000 Good
F1 Total LBAs Written 332,174 100 100 0 000005118E Good
F2 Total LBAs Read 589,630 100 100 0 000008FF3E Good
Partition 0
Partition ID Disk #0, Partition #0
File System NTFS
Volume Serial Number E6F17105
Size 528 MB
Used Space 14 MB (2%)
Free Space 514 MB (98%)
Partition 1
Partition ID Disk #0, Partition #1
File System FAT32
Volume Serial Number 72F238DE
Size 95 MB
Used Space 26.3 MB (27%)
Free Space 68 MB (73%)

 

[USAFRet]

OK.
A typical HDD, and a SATA III SSD of 256GB.

How long have you had this laptop?
Are you open to just doing a new install on the SSD?

Or, we can investigate the clone option if you want.

 

[hddtosdd]

did the ssd thing help? if so what did it help with?

'new install on the SSD?'
i assume clean install on ssd would have same problem as clone

so i rather find out what the problem actually is

then do it the easy fastest way later on which seems to be cloning way but not really sure atm

why does how long a laptop is had matter btw?

 

[USAFRet]

How long you've had it has implications on how much a pain it would be for a clean install, vs trying this clone thing again.

A brand new laptop (or a couple weeks old) would strongly recommend just a clean OS install on the SSD.

When you tried the clone operation, what specific error message did it give you?

 

[hddtosdd]

error: 'cant target drive'

its confusing basically when you pick
sdd to hdd
it says hdd cant be picked cos 'boot disk cant be picked as target'

if you pick
hdd to sdd
it says ssd cant be picked cos 'boot disk cant be picked as target'

....
i guess ill see what the other clone software says

i guess ill just do the clean install way,

is there any article or youtube that outlines fully & clearly the steps?

 

[USAFRet]

For a clean install, this:

How To - Windows 10 clean install tutorial

If you are looking for the Windows 11 Clean install tutorial, you can find that here: Windows 11 Clean install tutorial (Click here) Otherwise, welcome to the Windows 10 Clean install tutorial This tutorial is intended to help you, step by step, to perform a clean install of Windows...

forums.tomshardware.com

For a possible retry on the clone, Macrium Reflect.

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Specific steps for a successful clone operation:
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Verify the actual used space on the current drive is significantly below the size of the new SSD
Download and install Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration, if a Samsung SSD)
Power off
Disconnect ALL drives except the current C and the new SSD
Power up
Run the Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration)
Select ALL the partitions on the existing C drive
Click the 'Clone' button
Wait until it is done
When it finishes, power off
Disconnect ALL drives except for the new SSD
This is to allow the system to try to boot from ONLY the SSD
Swap the SATA cables around so that the new drive is connected to the same SATA port as the old drive (Since this is a laptop, no cables, but you MUST remove the old drive before you boot up for the first time)
Power up, and verify the BIOS boot order
If good, continue the power up

It should boot from the new drive, just like the old drive.
Maybe reboot a time or two, just to make sure.

If it works, and it should, all is good.

Later, reconnect the old drive and wipe all partitions on it.
This will probably require the commandline diskpart function, and the clean command.

Ask questions if anything is unclear.
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[hddtosdd]

neither of these ways takes into account that there's something in the ssd
and that both these ways would overwrite w/e is in the ssd

i dunno whats in the ssd, dunno if it's important or not

 

[hddtosdd]

why would you disconnect the drives if it's a laptop?
seems like this is meant for desktop

also you can just boot from ssd from bios, so what need would there be to disconnect the drives?

 

[USAFRet]

Desktop or laptop...after the clone operation, the system needs to boot from the new drive alone.
Ignore that requirement at your risk.

And if there is already something on the SSD?
It will be gone gone gone.

 

[onespeedbiker]

The problem seems to be there is a Windows install spread out over both drives. The ssd has the system partition and the hdd has the boot partition. In this condition there is no way you can clone either drive. This is usually caused by installing Windows with two drives connected. As mentioned, you are going to have to disconnect oone of the drives and do a clean install of Windows.

 

[hddtosdd]

problem seems to be there is a Windows install spread out over both drives.

really? wow why would w10 do that, doesnt w10 pro install into 1 by itself?
it never gave any options to select which disk

' ssd has the system partition and the hdd has the boot partition. In this condition there is no way you can clone either drive. '

'usually caused by installing Windows with two drives connected ' - why would w10 do that? why coders at microsoft do that...

 

[hddtosdd]

well if ssd has 'system' that means w10 is running on ssd right?

then that's ok
i just wanted w10 to run faster on ssd

so i guess only the boot up would be slower

if that's the case, then its ok dont need to do clone or install if that's the case

 

[hddtosdd]

does that always happen to all computers that have 2 drives?

w10 just auto does that??
guess that's a w10 thing?

 

[USAFRet]

That usually happens when more than one physical drive is connected during the OS install.
I believe this started with Win 7.

 

[hddtosdd]

i dont understand why it's sometimes and not always

doesnt microsoft program it to be that it always does this?

under what conditions when there's 2 drives does it not do this?



also is the os is running on the ssd or hdd that's really important to know

 

[USAFRet]

i dont understand why it's sometimes and not always

doesnt microsoft program it to be that it always does this?

under what conditions when there's 2 drives does it not do this?



also is the os is running on the ssd or hdd that's really important to know

I've not found any definitive info as to when.

 

[onespeedbiker]

While I'm not really sure why this happens, one school of thought is the software is also used to set up a dual boot. Under those conditions there will be a single boot partition for both drives, so when Windows install media sees two drives, it assumes you are creating a dual boot system.

 

[TerryLaze]

Windows installation gets the info from the bios on which disk is the first boot device,if you install windows on a different disk the windows installation will still install the boot/uefi partition on the first boot device or just update the BCD store if there is already a boot partition.If it wouldn't do that a lot of people would end up with non bootable systems.

 

[hddtosdd]

ssd has the system partition and the hdd has the boot partition

dual boot system.

thought the boot was on 1 drive?

if it's on 2, and it's a boot on the ssd?
then it's ok if it's replaced/deleted right?