EditorGame BugProblem

Smoggie

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starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to the
conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added

no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load

pc specs

os - win xp pro
cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
 
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Smoggie wrote:
> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to the
> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>
> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>
> pc specs
>
> os - win xp pro
> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>
>
>

Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
 
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:25:46 +0100, "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no>
wrote:

>Smoggie wrote:
>> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to the
>> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>
>> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>
>> pc specs
>>
>> os - win xp pro
>> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>
>>
>>
>
>Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....

And he clearly stated he got 1280MB ram... 😛
Makes sense. 😉

E
 
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"Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
> Smoggie wrote:
>> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
>> the
>> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>
>> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>
>> pc specs
>>
>> os - win xp pro
>> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>
>>
>>
>
> Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....

i have 1280mb of ram 😛
 
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:57:20 GMT, "Smoggie"
<the_one_called_smoggie(remove)@somentlworldisp.com> wrote:

>
>"Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>> Smoggie wrote:
>>> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
>>> the
>>> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>
>>> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>
>>> pc specs
>>>
>>> os - win xp pro
>>> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>
>i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>
how, exactly?

ie, how's it split? could be memory lag problems maybe?
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"Chris F" <chris@asif.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:57:20 GMT, "Smoggie"
> <the_one_called_smoggie(remove)@somentlworldisp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>>news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>>> Smoggie wrote:
>>>> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>>
>>>> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>>
>>>> pc specs
>>>>
>>>> os - win xp pro
>>>> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>>
>>i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>>
> how, exactly?
>
> ie, how's it split? could be memory lag problems maybe?

1 x 256 and 2 x 512 all the same type

but the strange thing is that its fine with the original sever_db etc files
that get installed into the db folder when you install the game and loads up
with in 3 to 4 minutes, its just when i copy the sever_db etc files that
where 'changed' with the editor (before the patch came out) that it takes an
hour to load 5 divisons (english prem to the confrence), on a small database
with no ddt files or edt files and with no additional countires, its so
'slow' that it takes 15 minutes to load just the eng prem up on a small
database

i should mention that even when its patched and with the original sever_db
etc files it still loads up quickly
 
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Smoggie wrote:
> "Chris F" <chris@asif.com> wrote in message
> news:cqp3t0lm9pc7fkh9l5vlum65ofmvtnagqa@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:57:20 GMT, "Smoggie"
>> <the_one_called_smoggie(remove)@somentlworldisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>>> news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>>>> Smoggie wrote:
>>>>> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng
>>>>> prem to
>>>>> the
>>>>> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>>>
>>>>> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>>> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>>>
>>>>> pc specs
>>>>>
>>>>> os - win xp pro
>>>>> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>>> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>>> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>>>
>>> i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>>>
>> how, exactly?
>>
>> ie, how's it split? could be memory lag problems maybe?
>
> 1 x 256 and 2 x 512 all the same type
>
> but the strange thing is that its fine with the original sever_db etc
> files that get installed into the db folder when you install the game
> and loads up with in 3 to 4 minutes, its just when i copy the
> sever_db etc files that where 'changed' with the editor (before the
> patch came out) that it takes an hour to load 5 divisons (english
> prem to the confrence),

That might be the problem the game might be trying to find an entry in the
editor that is added by the patch, try reapplying the patch so it patches
your edited database.

If that doesn't work reinstall the game, patch it and then edit the
database. Are the orignal database files any different in size to the edited
ones, my database files are about 178mb in size.


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ceo@isolation.no wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:25:46 +0100, "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Smoggie wrote:
>>
>>>starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to the
>>>conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>
>>>no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>
>>>pc specs
>>>
>>>os - win xp pro
>>>cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>
>
> And he clearly stated he got 1280MB ram... 😛
> Makes sense. 😉
>
> E

He he, see that now. Thought it was 128..... THEN I have no idea
why it runs slow.
 
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Smoggie wrote:

> "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
> news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>
>>Smoggie wrote:
>>
>>>starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
>>>the
>>>conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>
>>>no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>
>>>pc specs
>>>
>>>os - win xp pro
>>>cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>
>
> i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>
>

remember xp handles 1 giga of ram. You probably have TOO much ram...and
there`s a memory problem somewhere.
 
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:03:48 +0100, "Mr. Pink"
<thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote:

>Smoggie wrote:
>
>> "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>> news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>>
>>>Smoggie wrote:
>>>
>>>>starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
>>>>the
>>>>conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>>
>>>>no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>>editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>>
>>>>pc specs
>>>>
>>>>os - win xp pro
>>>>cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>>1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>>60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>>
>>
>> i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>>
>>
>
>remember xp handles 1 giga of ram. You probably have TOO much ram...and
>there`s a memory problem somewhere.

er no, youve got XP confused with win98 there.......
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Chris F wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:03:48 +0100, "Mr. Pink"
> <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote:
>
>
>>Smoggie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>>>news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Smoggie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
>>>>>the
>>>>>conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>>>
>>>>>no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>>>editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>>>
>>>>>pc specs
>>>>>
>>>>>os - win xp pro
>>>>>cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>>>1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>>>60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>>>
>>>
>>>i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>>>
>>>
>>
>>remember xp handles 1 giga of ram. You probably have TOO much ram...and
>>there`s a memory problem somewhere.
>
>
> er no, youve got XP confused with win98 there.......

No, win 98 (and 98se) only handles 512 (without the memory patch that
was released 2 years ago). Read the manual if you got it...:)
 
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"Michael Murray" <NOtmichaeltmurrayuknospam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Smoggie wrote:
>> "Chris F" <chris@asif.com> wrote in message
>> news:cqp3t0lm9pc7fkh9l5vlum65ofmvtnagqa@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:57:20 GMT, "Smoggie"
>>> <the_one_called_smoggie(remove)@somentlworldisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>>>> news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>>>>> Smoggie wrote:
>>>>>> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng
>>>>>> prem to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>>>> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pc specs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> os - win xp pro
>>>>>> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>>>> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>>>> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>>>>
>>>> i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>>>>
>>> how, exactly?
>>>
>>> ie, how's it split? could be memory lag problems maybe?
>>
>> 1 x 256 and 2 x 512 all the same type
>>
>> but the strange thing is that its fine with the original sever_db etc
>> files that get installed into the db folder when you install the game
>> and loads up with in 3 to 4 minutes, its just when i copy the
>> sever_db etc files that where 'changed' with the editor (before the
>> patch came out) that it takes an hour to load 5 divisons (english
>> prem to the confrence),
>
> That might be the problem the game might be trying to find an entry in the
> editor that is added by the patch, try reapplying the patch so it patches
> your edited database.
>
> If that doesn't work reinstall the game, patch it and then edit the
> database. Are the orignal database files any different in size to the
> edited ones, my database files are about 178mb in size.
>
i've got it working by doing the second bit last night and loads up alot
quicker

now just wondering what was causing the game to take an hour to load up with
the edited files, as both the original files and the previous edited files
where the same size :/
 
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"Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
news:41d31bb7$1@news.broadpark.no...
> Smoggie wrote:
>
>> "Mr. Pink" <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no> wrote in message
>> news:41d1b3bb@news.broadpark.no...
>>
>>>Smoggie wrote:
>>>
>>>>starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
>>>>the
>>>>conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>>>>
>>>>no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
>>>>editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>>>>
>>>>pc specs
>>>>
>>>>os - win xp pro
>>>>cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
>>>>1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
>>>>60 gig hdd - 30 gig free
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Your RAM is the problem. I got 300 and THAT is slow....
>>
>>
>> i have 1280mb of ram 😛
>
> remember xp handles 1 giga of ram. You probably have TOO much ram...and
> there`s a memory problem somewhere.

its not a ram problem

the problem was when starting a new game with a small database, running only
5 leagues (eng prem to the conference), no ddt file, no additional countires
added, with the orignal files (and when it was patched and un patched) it
took 3 to 4 minutes to load up but when i swaped the orignal files with the
files that i'd used with the editor, the game took an hour to load up,

it seems there might have been a problem with the editor before the patch,
as last night i unstalled fm, reinstalled it, patched it, use the editor to
make the changes once again and started a new game (like above), this time
with out it taking an hour it took 3 to 4 minutes
 
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"Smoggie" <the_one_called_smoggie(remove)@somentlworldisp.com> wrote in
message news:2j0Ad.844$Xf5.398@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> starting a new game, small database, running only 5 leagues (eng prem to
the
> conference), no ddt file, no additional countires added
>
> no editor used and patched - 3 to 4 minutes to load
> editor used to make a few changes - over an hour to load
>
> pc specs
>
> os - win xp pro
> cpu - amd athlon xp2800+ barton
> 1280mb ddr ram (pc2100)
> 60 gig hdd - 30 gig free

remove that 256Mb stick and see how it works, maybe you have dual channel
motherboard which doesn't work atm;

that Barton runs on 333Mhz bus and your Ram is on 266, asynchronous, which
is very BAD for system performance, AMD systems like CPU : RAM ratio 1:1

get all 3 sticks of RAM and xchange them for 2x512 DDR400 at least