News Elon Musk sues OpenAI - alleging breaches of the founding agreement

[Admin]

Lawyers acting on behalf of Tesla boss Elon Musk have filed a lawsuit against OpenAI. Naming the CEO and the president of OpenAI, Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, respectively, the crux of the Superior Court of California suit (PDF) is the allegation that OpenAI’s founding agreement has been breached.

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[Pierce2623]

Just reading the article, it seems like Muskrat has a pretty good case, for once.

 

[hotaru251]

Just reading the article, it seems like Muskrat has a pretty good case, for once.

so long as there is a physical contract signed by them about the non profit agreement.

verbal agreements never hold up in business as you can't really prove them.

 

[JamesJones44]

Musk is nutty, but on this one he's not wrong. Whether he can win this though, I'm skeptical.

 

[Notton]

I hope they both lose.

 

[vanadiel007]

Let's put AI to the test and let an AI lawyer from OpenAI fight it out with an AI lawyer from Tesla AI.
If all goes well whichever AI is the best will win the case.

It will be a true test of how well AI can reason, think, adapt and strategize.

 

[slightnitpick]

so long as there is a physical contract signed by them about the non profit agreement.

verbal agreements never hold up in business as you can't really prove them.

You can if there's documentation. As we've seen with the SEC and shareholder lawsuits, even tweets count for documentation. And a written charter is better than a tweet.

 

[hotaru251]

You can if there's documentation. As we've seen with the SEC and shareholder lawsuits, even tweets count for documentation. And a written charter is better than a tweet.

yes, but from all posts about it there is no mention of anything being made except verbally. "but they said" doesn't hold up in a court as it is impossible to prove.

 

[Blastomonas]

I have some sympathy for this cause. Especially enjoyed the analogy of OpenAI being compared to an Amazon logging company.

I imagine that future versions of Windows will be written by AI.

 

[abufrejoval]

Both Tesla and OpenAI are essentially trying to sell knowledge gathered from humans without consent or reward and then declared proprietary and exclusive after being transferred and run on silicon.

He can't win without losing even if he doesn't admit that he doing the same.

But most urgently we need regulation to ensure everyone's right to stop feeding the data robbers: no device may forward data by default and without informed non-discriminating consent from the owner!

 

[Pierce2623]

Both Tesla and OpenAI are essentially trying to sell knowledge gathered from humans without consent or reward and then declared proprietary and exclusive after being transferred and run on silicon.

He can't win without losing even if he doesn't admit that he doing the same.

But most urgently we need regulation to ensure everyone's right to stop feeding the data robbers: no device may forward data by default and without informed non-discriminating consent from the owner!

Nobody’s writing or anything else should be used to train these LLMs without paying the people that produced that content. Also, Tesla, I would argue, is doing much less attempted sales of other people’s knowledge than something like ChatGPT. Tesla’s AI stuff is like:self driving cars, self regulating battery systems in cars. I mean maybe they’re trying to monetize other people’s work like the LLMs are but I haven’t really seen it. All that being said, I still find Elon Musk to be a complete tool. I just think maybe he’s right about this OpenAI thing.

 

[CmdrShepard]

I am not a fan of Elon Musk.

With that out of the way, he might be onto something here.

1. OpenAI has a non-profit clause.
2. It is de facto Microsoft backed and controlled.
3. It is working on military contracts already which means the work is used unethically.

I really hate all those AI companies siphoning up everything without permission and I hope the long arm of law catches up to them ASAP (eh, who am I kidding -- that will never happen, they will just bribe their way out as usual without admitting any wrongdoing).

On a side note, Sam Altman looks like an even bigger jerk than Elon.

 

[ekio]

I agree with Musk.
This guy is a pure traitor who steered the company in the opposite direction of what it was made for.

What is “Open” in OpenAI nowadays: nothing except a name that shows the CEO corruption like a scar.

 

[abufrejoval]

Nobody’s writing or anything else should be used to train these LLMs without paying the people that produced that content. Also, Tesla, I would argue, is doing much less attempted sales of other people’s knowledge than something like ChatGPT. Tesla’s AI stuff is like:self driving cars, self regulating battery systems in cars. I mean maybe they’re trying to monetize other people’s work like the LLMs are but I haven’t really seen it. All that being said, I still find Elon Musk to be a complete tool. I just think maybe he’s right about this OpenAI thing.

For me it's less about the money than the consent.

I don't want my every keystroke or other input gesture being strip mined for information that is mostly used against my better interests e.g. to get me hooked onto some type of subscription.

I'm a little less concerned that AIs will be able to clone my genius or that someone might be willing to pay for what they regurgitate as a result.