Emp Croc over Jade Leech -- wtf?

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Emperor Crocodile wins!
Emperor Crocodile 8071 69.3%
Jade Leech 3572 30.7%
Totals 11643 100%

Are the voters stupid? I can't belive they are intentionally trying to hurt
green, as was reportedly done to blue in the Dismiss vs Rewind vote last
year.

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Ok, Ill bite. Please tell me how Jade leech is better.

As I see it the croc is easier to cast, in that it has only one colored mana
in the cost, has less of a draw back, in that when does green not have
smaller guys, and finally doesn't make playing your green spells harder to
play by adding a green mana to every other green spell.

so easier to spalsh, smaller draw back, doesnt hurt later.

JK

 

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Hello, lonedemon!
You wrote on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:04:48 GMT:

l> Ok, Ill bite. Please tell me how Jade leech is better.

l> As I see it the croc is easier to cast, in that it has only one
l> colored mana
l> in the cost, has less of a draw back, in that when does green not
l> have
l> smaller guys, and finally doesn't make playing your green spells
l> harder to
l> play by adding a green mana to every other green spell.

And is so easily removed it's not even funny. Sure, if you manage to
squeeze 2 Crocodiles before your opponent finds Pyroclasm or Infest, you
are in a good shape, but when even one lowly Unsummon (on a Birds of
Paradise or Vine Trellis who just helped to play your Emp.Croc. on turn
3) can wreck you, I don't know how it is "less of a drawback". And what
will you do after Wrath of God/Oblivion Stone activation with Emperor
Crocodile as your only creature in hand?
Easier to cast - sure, but multicolored decks usually run more green
than any other color...

l> so easier to spalsh, smaller draw back, doesnt hurt later.

l> JK

Regards,
Arkady.

 

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"Rast" <rast2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/selecting9e/2
>
> Emperor Crocodile wins!
> Emperor Crocodile 8071 69.3%
> Jade Leech 3572 30.7%
> Totals 11643 100%
>
> Are the voters stupid? I can't belive they are intentionally trying to
hurt
> green, as was reportedly done to blue in the Dismiss vs Rewind vote last
> year.
>

This is very simple. Although Jade Leech is a good card, Emperor Crocodile
is much more flavorful. It's logical that the Emperor gets more votes, even
though it's totally unplayable, and Jade Leech is a good card.

You have to remember that this is a popularity contest, not a 'which card do
you think is better'.


Jasper Overman

 

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From the Collected Witterings of Simon Nejmann, volume 23:

> Hmm, just found another quote I think is relevant here:
> ** Booda **
> Jade Leech is more powerful, but it doesn't make immediate sense to
> new players. The ability written on Jade Leech is clearly
> counter-productive, but it takes an experienced player to realize how
> little that ability really matters. Emporer Crocodile on the other
> hand looks good to new players because they aren't familiar with the
> vast amounts of creature removal.
> **
> Personally though, I would narrow the statement a bit and exchange
> experienced player with tournament player.

At which point I should mention that I voted for the Croc, lifetime rating
highs of 1869/1851 notwithstanding. My reasons were threefold:

1) The Crocodile is a better Limited card. In Limited it has no drawback,
whereas Leech has a huge drawback.

2) Urza's Block was a point where many people jumped off. It'll be easier
to get them to jump back on again if their cards are still playable.

3) I own four Emperor Crocodiles and no Jade Leeches.

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David Chapman wrote on Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:13:19 +0100 in article
news:<2jt3t5F14e27eU2@uni-berlin.de>:
> 1) The Crocodile is a better Limited card. In Limited it has no drawback,

That's simply not true. Maybe you need to play more against people who draft
removal. The faster you get it out, the better an undercosted 5/5 is -- and
the less other creatures will be around to protect it. One pyroclasm will
wreck you.

What if you have one or zero other creatures out on turn 4 (say you lost a
creature in combat or to removal, or you drew a creature-light, removal-heavy
hand)? Croc sits in your hand.

> whereas Leech has a huge drawback.

Not that big. You have a 5/5 on turn 4 (maybe turn 3 - elves are coming
back). Your opponent needs to deal with it very quickly, or lose. Sure, you
won't be able to cast your Llanowar Behemoth or similar green 5-drop next
turn, but you don't need to -- you already have a 5/5 down. Cast non-green
spells to support your Leech.

> 2) Urza's Block was a point where many people jumped off. It'll be easier
> to get them to jump back on again if their cards are still playable.

Hint: Croc isn't playable.

98%+ of the cards from back then aren't T2 _legal_, because they haven't been
reprinted. Keeping a dead card in the base set isn't going to help --
reprinting Shivan Hellkite or Ancient Silverback instead might.

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> Are the voters stupid? I can't belive they are intentionally trying to
hurt
> green, as was reportedly done to blue in the Dismiss vs Rewind vote last
> year.

I voted Croc because the base set is about, among other things, showing
new players the theme of each color. The Croc shows green as being about
creatures... put out early creatures, and protect them so your Croc is safe
too. The Leech shows green as being about mana-hosing yourself. Green is
supposed to be about making mana, not requiring extra mana. So Croc wins.
And, honestly, neither card would be used much anyway. Croc's not used now,
and if Leech was legal right now, it wouldn't be played either. So who
really cares.