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Due to some frustration with trying to get Falcon 4 working again with the
latest and greatest, I decided to try Enemy Engaged Comanche Hokum instead.
I found out that there are several updates out there that make it look
half-way decent, and its natively compatible with TrackIR. I just have to
let you know that if you have EECH and EEAH it is worth taking a look at it
again. What a blast!

These links are good places to get update graphics and files:

http://home.planet.nl/~jette073/gotcha/
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/combat_helo/cohokum/index.shtml

I used to love Longbow 2 and EECH. And since there's no decent new chopper
sim, I thought I'd fire this back up and it worked easily first time
installed. I realize that this was released in 2000, and amazing at how much
difference 4-5 years can make in grapnics. LOMAC and Pacific Fighters look
soo much better, but EECH is still loads of fun. I hope that the combat
flight sim market gains some momentum somehow and a new chopper study sim is
made.

Enjoy!
 
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I was browing their website and the have a link to the source code?? is it
that for real? I just downloaded it and will check it out later. I have the
original apache havoc but could never find anywhere to get EECH at the time,
maybe I can pick it up online somewhere again

"HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gvKdnSo84_KuQbbfRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> Due to some frustration with trying to get Falcon 4 working again with the
> latest and greatest, I decided to try Enemy Engaged Comanche Hokum
> instead. I found out that there are several updates out there that make it
> look half-way decent, and its natively compatible with TrackIR. I just
> have to let you know that if you have EECH and EEAH it is worth taking a
> look at it again. What a blast!
>
> These links are good places to get update graphics and files:
>
> http://home.planet.nl/~jette073/gotcha/
> http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/combat_helo/cohokum/index.shtml
>
> I used to love Longbow 2 and EECH. And since there's no decent new chopper
> sim, I thought I'd fire this back up and it worked easily first time
> installed. I realize that this was released in 2000, and amazing at how
> much difference 4-5 years can make in grapnics. LOMAC and Pacific Fighters
> look soo much better, but EECH is still loads of fun. I hope that the
> combat flight sim market gains some momentum somehow and a new chopper
> study sim is made.
>
> Enjoy!
>
 
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"Predator" <predator.this@predator.that> wrote in message
news:8LadneKQGsSZQ7bfRVn-ow@giganews.com...
>I was browing their website and the have a link to the source code?? is it
>that for real? I just downloaded it and will check it out later. I have the
>original apache havoc but could never find anywhere to get EECH at the
>time, maybe I can pick it up online somewhere again
>
> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gvKdnSo84_KuQbbfRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
>> Due to some frustration with trying to get Falcon 4 working again with
>> the latest and greatest, I decided to try Enemy Engaged Comanche Hokum
>> instead. I found out that there are several updates out there that make
>> it look half-way decent, and its natively compatible with TrackIR. I just
>> have to let you know that if you have EECH and EEAH it is worth taking a
>> look at it again. What a blast!
>>
>> These links are good places to get update graphics and files:
>>
>> http://home.planet.nl/~jette073/gotcha/
>> http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/combat_helo/cohokum/index.shtml
>>
>> I used to love Longbow 2 and EECH. And since there's no decent new
>> chopper sim, I thought I'd fire this back up and it worked easily first
>> time installed. I realize that this was released in 2000, and amazing at
>> how much difference 4-5 years can make in grapnics. LOMAC and Pacific
>> Fighters look soo much better, but EECH is still loads of fun. I hope
>> that the combat flight sim market gains some momentum somehow and a new
>> chopper study sim is made.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>
>

Since the source code is released, does this mean I could give away a copy
of this game? There's no CD-Key, and with the patches, it doesn't require
the CD to play.
 
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In article <gvKdnSo84_KuQbbfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
magma@killspam.comcast.net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote:

> and its natively compatible with TrackIR

Oh ah heck. Now I have to turn on the noisy games box*, reinstall the
damned thing and take a look. The amazing cockpit environments in EECH
were always just begging for TIR-style viewing.

Mmm... of course I also have to dig out my TIR 1 as well. I long since
grew weary of trying to find a setup and calibration that works well for
me and my brain in LOMAC.

> I hope that the combat flight sim market gains some momentum
> somehow and a new chopper study sim is made.

As we never tire of saying, it remains one of the great, unforgivable sins
that so much time, effort, money, and talent was put into sims which could
still be sold today with "only" a graphics update. Easier to say than do,
I admit. But either way, that line of simulation is deader than dead, and
starting from scratch again is just never going to happen. Ever. Not even
if we wish really hard and click our ruby slippers till the heels wear
out. And although I continue to support the Eagle Dynamics sim-dream, I
have no faith in them ever producing anything with decent ground radar,
which pretty much rules out anything other than a really basic helicopter
addon. They can still pull the
"we-accidentally-only-modelled-this-particular-aircraft-that-doesn't-have-
A2G-radar" trick again though 🙂

Andrew McP

*Of course I don't have to, EECH will run on this nice quiet email-box.
Maybe progress isn't always a good thing 🙂
 
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HockeyTownUSA wrote:
> Due to some frustration with trying to get Falcon 4 working again
> with the latest and greatest, I decided to try Enemy Engaged Comanche
> Hokum instead. I found out that there are several updates out there
> that make it look half-way decent, and its natively compatible with
> TrackIR. I just have to let you know that if you have EECH and EEAH
> it is worth taking a look at it again. What a blast!
>
> These links are good places to get update graphics and files:
>
> http://home.planet.nl/~jette073/gotcha/
> http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/combat_helo/cohokum/index.shtml
>
> I used to love Longbow 2 and EECH. And since there's no decent new
> chopper sim, I thought I'd fire this back up and it worked easily
> first time installed. I realize that this was released in 2000, and
> amazing at how much difference 4-5 years can make in grapnics. LOMAC
> and Pacific Fighters look soo much better, but EECH is still loads of
> fun. I hope that the combat flight sim market gains some momentum
> somehow and a new chopper study sim is made.
>
> Enjoy!


I hear ya, next to radial engine ww2 aircraft, helo is my second love.

Before I got PF, I was flying EECH , updated with the mods a lot , it is a
blast.



--
Don Burnette

"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
way of the man that's doing it."
 
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In article
<memo.20050307060027.2512A@address_disguised.address_disguised>,
andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:

> reinstall the
> damned thing

Ah, now I remember why I dumped it. Despite reading up on the various
forums, re-installing, and adding various patches, I could never get rid
of the "look at the sky" bug which started with USB joysticks.

After messing about with the TIR again I am also freshly reminded that me
and it were never destined to get along. The damned thing just never seems
to move slow enough for my liking no matter how many *really* slow
profiles I try to create.

Maybe I should take a few deep breaths and try again.

Then again I might just start reading Endymion by Dan Simmons. My
increasing frustration with sims and disappointing games like HL2 has led
me to rediscover some great books. Speaking of which, anyone who's ever
enjoyed any science fiction should make sure they've read Simmons'
"Hyperion" series. I'd been ignoring the two Endymion books, but after
re-reading Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion I'm now looking forward to the read
ahead.

Andrew McP
 
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"Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:memo.20050307070932.2512B@address_disguised.address_disguised...
> In article
> <memo.20050307060027.2512A@address_disguised.address_disguised>,
> andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:
>
>> reinstall the
>> damned thing
>
> Ah, now I remember why I dumped it. Despite reading up on the various
> forums, re-installing, and adding various patches, I could never get rid
> of the "look at the sky" bug which started with USB joysticks.
>
> After messing about with the TIR again I am also freshly reminded that me
> and it were never destined to get along. The damned thing just never seems
> to move slow enough for my liking no matter how many *really* slow
> profiles I try to create.
>
> Maybe I should take a few deep breaths and try again.
>
> Then again I might just start reading Endymion by Dan Simmons. My
> increasing frustration with sims and disappointing games like HL2 has led
> me to rediscover some great books. Speaking of which, anyone who's ever
> enjoyed any science fiction should make sure they've read Simmons'
> "Hyperion" series. I'd been ignoring the two Endymion books, but after
> re-reading Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion I'm now looking forward to the read
> ahead.
>
> Andrew McP

TrackIR 3 is so much better. I had a TrackIR 1 and I gave up on it. Tried
TrackIR 2 and it worked well, but too sensitive to the light where my PC is
at. Finally TrackIR 3 Pro works beautifully. Easy to configure and I don't
feel like my head is constantly bouncing around. My neck definitely gets a
workout now, but it is the third hand I've been looking for in flight sims.
It can become a little bit disorienting at times if you don't have the
cockpit on.

I guess I will have to get back into racing sims, as much as I'm not a big
fan of car racing. As I see it, the only combat flight simulations that have
stood the test of time in my book are:

(1) Jane's Longbow 2
(2) Jane's F-15
(3) Falcon 4
(4) IL-2/Forgotten Battles/Pacific Fighters
(5) Lock On: Modern Air Combat (or LO-MAC to the rest of us)
(6) Enemy Engaged: Comanche Hokum (or affectionately called EECH)
(7) Combat Flight Sim 2/3

The rest were fun, but just to pass the time at the time they were new.
 
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"Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:memo.20050307070932.2512B@address_disguised.address_disguised...
> Then again I might just start reading Endymion by Dan Simmons. My
> increasing frustration with sims and disappointing games like HL2 has led
> me to rediscover some great books. Speaking of which, anyone who's ever
> enjoyed any science fiction should make sure they've read Simmons'
> "Hyperion" series. I'd been ignoring the two Endymion books, but after
> re-reading Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion I'm now looking forward to the read
> ahead.

I just read "The Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge. One of the best
sci-fi books I've ever read and (currently) as a software engineer it has a
special resonance to me. (Seems to be one giant analogy to the often
conflicting engineer and management culture differences.)

Si
 
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In article <d0ibf0$7bs$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>,
simon@NOSPAMsjrobbins.demon.co.uk (Simon Robbins) wrote:

> "The Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge

Thanks for the recommendation. Amazon makes life very easy for the impulse
buyer 🙂

Andrew McP
 
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>Due to some frustration with trying to get Falcon 4 working again with the
>latest and greatest, I decided to try Enemy Engaged Comanche Hokum instead.
>I found out that there are several updates out there that make it look
>half-way decent, and its natively compatible with TrackIR. I just have to
>let you know that if you have EECH and EEAH it is worth taking a look at it
>again. What a blast!
>
>These links are good places to get update graphics and files:
>
>http://home.planet.nl/~jette073/gotcha/
>http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/combat_helo/cohokum/index.shtml
>
>I used to love Longbow 2 and EECH. And since there's no decent new chopper
>sim, I thought I'd fire this back up and it worked easily first time
>installed. I realize that this was released in 2000, and amazing at how much
>difference 4-5 years can make in grapnics. LOMAC and Pacific Fighters look
>soo much better, but EECH is still loads of fun. I hope that the combat
>flight sim market gains some momentum somehow and a new chopper study sim is
>made.
>
>Enjoy!
>


I have them HT and was considering reinstalling it! In fact, I was
just looking at the CD today. Funny timing!

Thanks for the heads up!


-pw
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In article <M4KdnbVRfZJNRbHfRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
magma@killspam.comcast.net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote:

> TrackIR 3 is so much better.

Shhh! Given the amount of flying I do these days (ie not a lot) I really
mustn't throw more money down the sim-drain 🙂

> I guess I will have to get back into racing sims

IMO the best thing out there at the moment is the rFactor demo. Just feels
miles better than any of the competition to me. Can't wait for the full
release.

http://www.rfactor.net/

> The rest were fun, but just to pass the time at the time

Wash your mouth out! Tornado, Flanker, A10 Cuba, Longbow1, ah... now look
what you've done. Before you know it there'll be a crowd of old gits
whining on (yet again!) about all those great sims of our youth. Well, not
youth... lesser dotage perhaps ;-)

Andrew McP
 
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"Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:memo.20050308102155.3736A@address_disguised.address_disguised...
> In article <M4KdnbVRfZJNRbHfRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
> magma@killspam.comcast.net (HockeyTownUSA) wrote:
>
>> TrackIR 3 is so much better.
>
> Shhh! Given the amount of flying I do these days (ie not a lot) I really
> mustn't throw more money down the sim-drain 🙂
>

It's not a waste of money, IMO. It's the best $120.00 you'll spend for this
hobby.

>> I guess I will have to get back into racing sims
>
> IMO the best thing out there at the moment is the rFactor demo. Just feels
> miles better than any of the competition to me. Can't wait for the full
> release.
>
> http://www.rfactor.net/
>
>> The rest were fun, but just to pass the time at the time


Anyone tried out the GTR game yet?? 'm dying for this sim but it's
apparently not going to be released in the US.
 
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In article <%YgXd.6274$603.859@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au (James Calivar) wrote:

> It's not a waste of money, IMO.

Yes, but that's what they said about the TIR1! And about the bloody
Cougar. And about London Bridge ;-)

I understand your enthusiasm though. The TIR1 has always been something
which has showed me the Promised Land without actually taking me there.

> Anyone tried out the GTR game yet??

I'm afraid both demos left me feeling unimpressed after I'd driven
rFactor. For me it just hits the sweet spot that GPL used to occupy, and
although GTR's out here in the UK (and I *do* feel I ought to support
Simbin's excellent efforts) I'm not going to drive it, and my charitable
streak's being used by Oxfam these days.

Still, GTR is probably the best retail sim out there at the moment, so
anyone looking for their driving fix right now could do a lot worse than
buy it... if they can find it, obviously!

Andrew McP
 
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"HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gvKdnSo84_KuQbbfRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> Due to some frustration with trying to get Falcon 4 working again with the
> latest and greatest, I decided to try Enemy Engaged Comanche Hokum
instead.
> I found out that there are several updates out there that make it look
> half-way decent, and its natively compatible with TrackIR. I just have to
> let you know that if you have EECH and EEAH it is worth taking a look at
it
> again. What a blast!
>
> These links are good places to get update graphics and files:
>
> http://home.planet.nl/~jette073/gotcha/
> http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/combat_helo/cohokum/index.shtml
>
> I used to love Longbow 2 and EECH. And since there's no decent new chopper
> sim, I thought I'd fire this back up and it worked easily first time
> installed. I realize that this was released in 2000, and amazing at how
much
> difference 4-5 years can make in grapnics. LOMAC and Pacific Fighters look
> soo much better, but EECH is still loads of fun. I hope that the combat
> flight sim market gains some momentum somehow and a new chopper study sim
is
> made.
>
> Enjoy!

IMO EECH is one of the best flight sims out there. And while not having
flown a lot of Falcon 4.0 missions, EECH has one of the best dynamic
campaigns to go up against.

Here's a few more links for EECH pilots to visit.

http://kimchoceech.homestead.com/index.html
http://www.razorworks.com/enemyengaged/index.html
http://eech.bollocks.net.nz/index.php
http://eech.robfox.net/index.html
 
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Andrew, which joystick are you using?

I have two MS Sidewinder USB joysticks. One of them has Force-Feedback,
the other doesn't. If I hook the one up with Force-Feedback, the EECH view
constantly tries to look up into the sky. I was able to correct it with
one of the EECH patches. I believe it was the X patch.

Have you tried another USB joystick?
Also, when you installed the X patch, was it after a new install of EECH?

http://www.razorworks.com/enemyengaged/index.html
V1.4.6X - 30 May 2001

USB Joystick bugs fixed.


"Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:memo.20050307070932.2512B@address_disguised.address_disguised...
> In article
> <memo.20050307060027.2512A@address_disguised.address_disguised>,
> andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:
>
> > reinstall the
> > damned thing
>
> Ah, now I remember why I dumped it. Despite reading up on the various
> forums, re-installing, and adding various patches, I could never get rid
> of the "look at the sky" bug which started with USB joysticks.
>
> After messing about with the TIR again I am also freshly reminded that me
> and it were never destined to get along. The damned thing just never seems
> to move slow enough for my liking no matter how many *really* slow
> profiles I try to create.
>
> Maybe I should take a few deep breaths and try again.
>
> Then again I might just start reading Endymion by Dan Simmons. My
> increasing frustration with sims and disappointing games like HL2 has led
> me to rediscover some great books. Speaking of which, anyone who's ever
> enjoyed any science fiction should make sure they've read Simmons'
> "Hyperion" series. I'd been ignoring the two Endymion books, but after
> re-reading Hyperion & Fall of Hyperion I'm now looking forward to the read
> ahead.
>
> Andrew McP
 
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"James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
news:%YgXd.6274$603.859@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

> It's not a waste of money, IMO. It's the best $120.00 you'll spend
> for this hobby.

$170. Add in the Vector Expansion. :)

Skeksis
 
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In article <2poXd.59379$SQ4.25825@fe1.texas.rr.com>, OldDog@city.pound
(OldDog) wrote:

> which joystick are you using?

I've tried with both my Saitek X45 setup and a CH Fighterstick; same
results with both.

> Also, when you installed the X patch, was it after a new
> install of EECH?

It takes so little time to install that there's every incentive to start
fresh after every experiment. I've tried various upgrade paths with either
the .6X or .7X patches. Nothing seems to change anything. I've even
installed it on both my PCs for testing now, and everything works fine
until I plug in a USB stick; then it's stare at the sky time.

I think this is Fate's way of telling me I should've hung onto that
gameport joystick 🙂

Andrew McP
 
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On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:

>It takes so little time to install that there's every incentive to start
>fresh after every experiment. I've tried various upgrade paths with either
>the .6X or .7X patches. Nothing seems to change anything. I've even
>installed it on both my PCs for testing now, and everything works fine
>until I plug in a USB stick; then it's stare at the sky time.

I have that same problem with an x45. I think it's the stick.
 
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"Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:memo.20050307213045.2736A@address_disguised.address_disguised...
> Thanks for the recommendation. Amazon makes life very easy for the impulse
> buyer 🙂

That's where I bought it. Hmm.. I'd be worried about the "customers who
bought this also bought..." bit. My tastes are very varied indeed..

Si
 
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"Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:memo.20050309104151.2700A@address_disguised.address_disguised...
> In article <2poXd.59379$SQ4.25825@fe1.texas.rr.com>, OldDog@city.pound
> (OldDog) wrote:
>
> > which joystick are you using?
>
> I've tried with both my Saitek X45 setup and a CH Fighterstick; same
> results with both.
>
> > Also, when you installed the X patch, was it after a new
> > install of EECH?
>
> It takes so little time to install that there's every incentive to start
> fresh after every experiment. I've tried various upgrade paths with either
> the .6X or .7X patches. Nothing seems to change anything. I've even
> installed it on both my PCs for testing now, and everything works fine
> until I plug in a USB stick; then it's stare at the sky time.
>
> I think this is Fate's way of telling me I should've hung onto that
> gameport joystick 🙂
>
> Andrew McP

Yes, it does appear that the gaming Gods have it in for you. :)

The other thing to try is a friends USB joystick. Such as the standard MS
Sidewinder joystick. If it works, mabye you could find one on sale. In
fact, hasn't MS gotten out of the joystick business? The one that I have
with throttle, twist stick, and some buttons on the base is good enough to
keep me in the EECH air for a least a good 5 mins. 😉
 
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