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I don't see the significance of this?

It's like discovering you can run internet "signals" over coax and not interfere with cable television?

Maybe I'm missing something.
 
quantum entanglement is like a person who can perform flawlessly with trillions of observers watching (the entire universe knows the state every particle is in), but the second their wife watches (a human notices), they completely breakdown and are incapable of of action.
 
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A key point to understand here is that the photons aren't transmitted physically. Instead, information encoded within their quantum states is what is sent.
I think there are multiple steps here, which might be causing some confusion. First, the entangled photon must be transmitted to the other end of the fiber link. Once it's received, the two endpoints can communicate via quantum teleportation, so long as it remains entangled with another photon retained by the sender. Once the entanglement is lost, you have to send another entangled photon.

The benefit is that nobody can eavesdrop on what you send via quantum teleportation, so long as they didn't capture one of the entangled photons. From what I've managed to find, it does not enable faster-than-light communication, however.
 
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I don't see the significance of this?
It means you don't need a dedicated fiber network to enable quantum communication. Since laying fiberoptic cables is incredibly expensive, that represents a huge step forward in the feasibility of using quantum communication in practice.

As long as it is possible it WILL happen. Internet data has to be transmitted somehow. If quantum entanglement is able to do it better/faster, then it WILL be exploited to it's fullest extent.
Nobody is saying quantum communication is more cost-effective than conventional photonic communication. In fact, every few years, it seems like someone demonstrates ways to cram even more data over existing fiber links.

Quantum communication is really about security, as far as I understand.
 
It means you don't need a dedicated fiber network to enable quantum communication. Since laying fiberoptic cables is incredibly expensive, that represents a huge step forward in the feasibility of using quantum communication in practice.


Nobody is saying quantum communication is more cost-effective than conventional photonic communication. In fact, every few years, it seems like someone demonstrates ways to cram even more data over existing fiber links.

Quantum communication is really about security, as far as I understand.
Came to say the same but you scooped me. This enables quantum over conventional infrastructure, and quantum is important because it is unhackable to the best of our understanding of the laws of physics.
 
Nobody is saying quantum communication is more cost-effective than conventional photonic communication. In fact, every few years, it seems like someone demonstrates ways to cram even more data over existing fiber links.

Quantum communication is really about security, as far as I understand.
The big application (if any) is going to be securely sharing a key (quantum key distribution).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad#Quantum_and_post-quantum_cryptography
 
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Main objective is actually being able to connect Quantum Computers with each other; and this was already possible, albeit needing to build new expensive cables and standards. Engineers just solved this allowing co-use of traditional and Quantum with existing infrastructure.

As for the security part: you need Quantum Computers in both ends, and it is true that if intercepted, then no information is stolen, and both sides become aware. However, this is already possible in traditional computing through packet loss on end, and ping timeouts, and the packet is "stolen", though it needs full cooperation of the ISP to happen. Realistically, this is only a minor concern for security agencies.

Quantum Computers and Quantum Communication are actually kind of anti-security, since Quantum Computers can monte carlo using true-randomness particle measuring so fast that they can try every possible encryption combination in a few seconds, while traditional computer's pseudo-random makes them spend multiple cycles in a binary 1-0, and thus solves those problems almost infinitely slower in multiple orders of magnitude, slow enough that the hackers need some background information to reduce the possibilities.

So at the moment a fully viable Quantum Computer shows up, anybody owning such computer can break the whole Internet's securities in a few days at best. Current Quantum Computers are just experimental, however, they are just concerned to even being able to operate a computer program (this is the tradeoff of randomness, that you need to stabilize it, currently an unresolved problem, but there is solid progress recently). The other is size and cost, since those things are whole buildings long and requires near-0 kelvin temperatures.
 
Main objective is actually being able to connect Quantum Computers with each other;
Can you support that with a source of some kind?

The reason I ask is that it's not at all clear to me why a quantum computer couldn't simply communicate via conventional infrastructure. As for actually using entanglement at a distance to scale computation, it just seems like it'd be far too fragile. I mean, like way, way, way too fragile. If they have enough trouble maintaining coherence between the qubits within a machine, all isolated and maintained at temperatures a fraction as warm as interstellar space, how well do you expect it's going to work when you add the variable of photons sent hundreds of km away, captured, and then somehow synchronized with a QC at the other end?

Quantum Computers and Quantum Communication are actually kind of anti-security, since Quantum Computers can monte carlo using true-randomness particle measuring so fast that they can try every possible encryption combination in a few seconds,
I can't claim to understand how they work, but there are actually so-called post-quantum encryption schemes that claim to be resistant to cracking by quantum computers:

The other is size and cost, since those things are whole buildings long and requires near-0 kelvin temperatures.
The ones I've seen are maybe the size of refrigerator or perhaps a small car, including the containment vessel. Of course, that's not including the equipment needed to cool it down to its operational temperature range.
 
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Can you support that with a source of some kind?
https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.04492

I will try to explain some quantum basics, with quantum computer A and B example.

A entangles two photons (makes them interact, this is the easy part), then sends one to B. Now B measures the received photon, and by doing so it "collapses" into a true-random (in a Bayesian probability curve) eigenstate, officially the entanglement is broken.

Now the fun part: A's "real" properties are identically and instantantly correlated to what B got on their eigenstate, however A has no way to know which result they got until they measure, and measurement will give it a different eigenstate uncorrelated, as it would happen after the entanglement was broke due the previous measurement. This is why no communication faster-than-light is possible with our current knowledge.

However, B can send a regular photon with sightly varying frequencies to convey back what they got as a result, so A can now backtrack into what they got with the entangled photon and work from there for past and present communication.

Now, if you ask if this is an overtly complicated way to do what we currently do to send a simple internet ping, absolutely yes. So, why?

And the why is that Quantum Computers cannot read "charges" or binary yes/no photon frequencies like traditional computers, they can just read "entangled photons" and "frequency arrays to communicate the results of the measurements". So, they need their own special send/receive protocols.

And, this problem was a huge problem, since it meant that in order to create a "Quantum Compatible Internet" we would have needed to use new cables only for that, or make extremely cumbersome traditional into quantum translators, that are extremely bug prone. Well, no more problem. We can just use existing optic fiber.

I can't claim to understand how they work, but there are actually so-called post-quantum encryption schemes that claim to be resistant to cracking by quantum computers:
What they do is that you need to do intensive (something a regular modern CPU could take, say, 5 seconds to solve) non-random math before having the chance to try the encryption. This is indeed impossible for a Quantum Computer to do in any sensible time, as they are various orders of magnitude slower when doing traditional computing. But also, there is already a fairly simple proposition to the problem: just a simple "detect traditional intensive" detector and task is switched to be used by a traditional computer and this one sends back the result.

Not to mention that forcing CPUs to go at 100% for a couple seconds is also regular user-experience harmful.

The ones I've seen are maybe the size of refrigerator or perhaps a small car, including the containment vessel. Of course, that's not including the equipment needed to cool it down to its operational temperature range.
Yeah, the real issue is the need for the cooling equipment. If it weren't for this, they would even be consumer products for all that matters. However, Quantum Mechanics' Standard Model (the only empirical proven) requires universal entanglement to be broke to calculate, so only targeted entanglement exists, and only a restricted amount of degrees of freedom is allowed. This is only possible by isolating the system from all the particles of the environment, and this is equivalent to say 0 kelvin.

Since 0 is absurdly too cold to realistically achieve, the system must allow some external particles to enter and contaminate noise it, so they are still designed to operate at some temperature, but 273 kelvin would just lead to everything to decoherence outside calculations (infinity - 1).

So, yeah, the cooling comes with it.
 
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Quantum technology is like Master Voice from Stanislaw Lem great book. There he explain what we do when we do not understand whole information