EQL invisible turn-ins?

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Working on the new quests in Lavastorm last night, I was mostly running
around invis so I didn't have to worry about agro from the green mobs.
I found that giving quest items to the NPCs did not cancel invis. I'm
*pretty* sure that's a change. Can someone confirm my recollection that
it didn't used to be that way? E.g., I'm fairly sure that last week when
I was giving things to the new guy in OT, it was breaking invis (and thus
getting me agro from the guards there).

It will certainly make many quests a LOT less nerve-wracking. Unless of
course it's a bug and they change it back.

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This is confirmed,,, I did the Red Wine faction quest in Neriak and the
invis is (was) definitely broken by the hand in... I had a wizzy friend on
standby to re-invis me before hiting [give] until i got to dubious... from
there i was able to continue without the invis portion of the process.

~Benee


"Don Woods" <don-ns@iCynic.com> wrote in message
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> Working on the new quests in Lavastorm last night, I was mostly running
> around invis so I didn't have to worry about agro from the green mobs.
> I found that giving quest items to the NPCs did not cancel invis. I'm
> *pretty* sure that's a change. Can someone confirm my recollection that
> it didn't used to be that way? E.g., I'm fairly sure that last week when
> I was giving things to the new guy in OT, it was breaking invis (and thus
> getting me agro from the guards there).
>
> It will certainly make many quests a LOT less nerve-wracking. Unless of
> course it's a bug and they change it back.
>
> -- Don.
>
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"Rose Billing" <rosebilling@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> This is confirmed,,, I did the Red Wine faction quest in Neriak and the
> invis is (was) definitely broken by the hand in... I had a wizzy friend on
> standby to re-invis me before hiting [give] until i got to dubious... from
> there i was able to continue without the invis portion of the process.

This brings up a question I have...my troll shaman, who is apprehensive to
the red wine guy (DE cleric guildmaster, I believe he is? Don't remember
now, I haven't tried it since last week and have done lots more since then),
can't turn in the red wine. When I give it to him, he hands it back saying
he doesn't need it. However, my dark elf necro, who is standing with him
(and was grouped because I mistakenly thought the troll would get faction
from the dark elf doing the turn in lol...ok, I'm dumb, I should have known
that wouldn't happen from the times with higher level characters in the
Warrens trying to get faction...), is able to hand in the wine with no
problem. Now, apprehensive is higher than dubious, right? I even tried this
invis, and it didn't change how he regarded my troll, which I thought was
rather odd. Any suggestions/ideas?

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In article <41f95aa0$1@nntp.usm.edu>, Firian <G.Booth@usm.edu> wrote:
>
>This brings up a question I have...my troll shaman, who is apprehensive to
>the red wine guy (DE cleric guildmaster, I believe he is? Don't remember
>now, I haven't tried it since last week and have done lots more since then),
>can't turn in the red wine. When I give it to him, he hands it back saying
>he doesn't need it. However, my dark elf necro, who is standing with him
>(and was grouped because I mistakenly thought the troll would get faction
>from the dark elf doing the turn in lol...ok, I'm dumb, I should have known
>that wouldn't happen from the times with higher level characters in the
>Warrens trying to get faction...), is able to hand in the wine with no
>problem. Now, apprehensive is higher than dubious, right? I even tried this
>invis, and it didn't change how he regarded my troll, which I thought was
>rather odd. Any suggestions/ideas?

The "red wine guy" is a merchant. All merchants have a special tweak so
that regardless of your actual faction with them, they never con worse
than apprehensive. [Note that merchants will sell to you only after you're
*really* apprehensive or better] This doesn't affect any faction level
required for quests they participate, it only makes it so they won't agro
on you if you're normally KOS. You can see this in action in those places
where there are merchant and non-merchant mobs on the same faction. The
merchants are never worse than apprehensive, even if you're KOS to the
nonmerchants. Cabilis for sure, but I believe OT outpost, Thurgadin,
Shadowhaven, or Runnyeye even should show this as well.

Anyway, even though you appear to be apprehensive to him, you're likely
dubious (or worse). And as I recall, with this particular quest, you
probably need indifferent or better to do the quest. If you're a bard,
enchanter, or have sneak, use that. If you don't have those, you'll need
a second person to invis you after you've opened the Trade window with the
merchant in order to be indifferent for the quest turn in.

Note that the faction hits for this turn in are *huge* for Dark Bargainers.
You should be able to do the turn in without invis after only a stack or
2 of wine. You'll get to max ally in less than 2 backpacks, as I recall.

Can't explain the giving it back part though. Perhaps you were giving it
to the wrong guy. Or maybe it's a stealth tweak so that if you don't meet
the faction/class/level requirements for the quest they no longer eat the
quest items any more. We could only dream!

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Did you hand in the wine unstacked? Just a thought...

Not sure about the dubious/apprehensive relative standing. I just know it
took a LOT of red wine. =P
Also,, don't think it's the Cleric GM who you hand in to for the faction...
can prob look up name/loc on Allah...

~Benee

"Firian" <G.Booth@usm.edu> wrote in message news:41f95aa0$1@nntp.usm.edu...
> "Rose Billing" <rosebilling@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:%EcKd.7614$8Z1.4994@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> > This is confirmed,,, I did the Red Wine faction quest in Neriak and the
> > invis is (was) definitely broken by the hand in... I had a wizzy friend
on
> > standby to re-invis me before hiting [give] until i got to dubious...
from
> > there i was able to continue without the invis portion of the process.
>
> This brings up a question I have...my troll shaman, who is apprehensive to
> the red wine guy (DE cleric guildmaster, I believe he is? Don't remember
> now, I haven't tried it since last week and have done lots more since
then),
> can't turn in the red wine. When I give it to him, he hands it back saying
> he doesn't need it. However, my dark elf necro, who is standing with him
> (and was grouped because I mistakenly thought the troll would get faction
> from the dark elf doing the turn in lol...ok, I'm dumb, I should have
known
> that wouldn't happen from the times with higher level characters in the
> Warrens trying to get faction...), is able to hand in the wine with no
> problem. Now, apprehensive is higher than dubious, right? I even tried
this
> invis, and it didn't change how he regarded my troll, which I thought was
> rather odd. Any suggestions/ideas?
>
> --
> ############################
> Firian
> Dark Elf Necromancer of the 23rd Circle, FV
> Berdache
> Troll Shaman of the 22nd Stone, FV
>
>

 

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"Roger Bonzer" <minotaur@agora.rdrop.com> wrote in message
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> In article <41f95aa0$1@nntp.usm.edu>, Firian <G.Booth@usm.edu> wrote:
>>
>>This brings up a question I have...my troll shaman, who is apprehensive to
>>the red wine guy (DE cleric guildmaster, I believe he is? Don't remember
>>now, I haven't tried it since last week and have done lots more since
>>then),
>>can't turn in the red wine. When I give it to him, he hands it back saying
>>he doesn't need it. However, my dark elf necro, who is standing with him
>
> Anyway, even though you appear to be apprehensive to him, you're likely
> dubious (or worse). And as I recall, with this particular quest, you
> probably need indifferent or better to do the quest. If you're a bard,
> enchanter, or have sneak, use that. If you don't have those, you'll need
> a second person to invis you after you've opened the Trade window with the
> merchant in order to be indifferent for the quest turn in.

I dunno, I used an invis potion, but it's like he could see invis. My
faction didn't change even when I was invis. I may try it again, maybe I did
something wrong.

> Note that the faction hits for this turn in are *huge* for Dark
> Bargainers.
> You should be able to do the turn in without invis after only a stack or
> 2 of wine. You'll get to max ally in less than 2 backpacks, as I recall.
>
> Can't explain the giving it back part though. Perhaps you were giving it
> to the wrong guy. Or maybe it's a stealth tweak so that if you don't meet
> the faction/class/level requirements for the quest they no longer eat the
> quest items any more. We could only dream!

Definitely wasn't the wrong guy; had my DE necro right there with me, and
the guy is alone in the room with his pet...uh, yeah, definitely not a
cleric, dunno why I thought that, lol. The DE was able to hand him the wine
and get the 'experience' (never moved my experience bar) and the faction
messages (he's to ally now). So, it's definitely the right guy, just have to
figure out what I'm doing wrong. Invis AFTER opening the trade window, huh?
May give that a shot.

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"Rose Billing" <rosebilling@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Did you hand in the wine unstacked? Just a thought...
>
> Not sure about the dubious/apprehensive relative standing. I just know it
> took a LOT of red wine. =P
> Also,, don't think it's the Cleric GM who you hand in to for the
> faction...
> can prob look up name/loc on Allah...

Yep, it was unstacked, 4 bottles at a time. And no, I realized while
answering the other posting in this thread that he's not a cleric, not when
he has a pet lol. I did look him up on Alla just now, his name is Lokar
To'Biath. Just have to figure out what I did wrong, lol. I did try quite a
few times and quite a few ways, but ah well. I may give it a shot
again...started playing WoW last night, so I may not play EQ for a few days
now.

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"Firian" <G.Booth@usm.edu> wrote in news:41fa5f3b$1@nntp.usm.edu:

> "Roger Bonzer" <minotaur@agora.rdrop.com> wrote in message
> newsLKdnQrxe5hfV2TcRVn-3A@scnresearch.com...
>> In article <41f95aa0$1@nntp.usm.edu>, Firian <G.Booth@usm.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>This brings up a question I have...my troll shaman, who is
>>>apprehensive to the red wine guy (DE cleric guildmaster, I believe he
>>>is? Don't remember now, I haven't tried it since last week and have
>>>done lots more since then), can't turn in the red wine. When I give
>>>it to him, he hands it back saying he doesn't need it. However, my
>>>dark elf necro, who is standing with him
>>
>> Anyway, even though you appear to be apprehensive to him, you're
>> likely dubious (or worse). And as I recall, with this particular
>> quest, you probably need indifferent or better to do the quest. If
>> you're a bard, enchanter, or have sneak, use that. If you don't have
>> those, you'll need a second person to invis you after you've opened
>> the Trade window with the merchant in order to be indifferent for the
>> quest turn in.
>
> I dunno, I used an invis potion, but it's like he could see invis. My
> faction didn't change even when I was invis. I may try it again, maybe
> I did something wrong.
>
>> Note that the faction hits for this turn in are *huge* for Dark
>> Bargainers.
>> You should be able to do the turn in without invis after only a stack
>> or 2 of wine. You'll get to max ally in less than 2 backpacks, as I
>> recall.
>>
>> Can't explain the giving it back part though. Perhaps you were giving
>> it to the wrong guy. Or maybe it's a stealth tweak so that if you
>> don't meet the faction/class/level requirements for the quest they no
>> longer eat the quest items any more. We could only dream!
>
> Definitely wasn't the wrong guy; had my DE necro right there with me,
> and the guy is alone in the room with his pet...uh, yeah, definitely
> not a cleric, dunno why I thought that, lol. The DE was able to hand
> him the wine and get the 'experience' (never moved my experience bar)
> and the faction messages (he's to ally now). So, it's definitely the
> right guy, just have to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Invis AFTER
> opening the trade window, huh? May give that a shot.
>

In general, invis drops when you start the hand in. So, you need to be
grouped with someone who can invis you after you initiate the trade, but
before you complete it. You cannot cast while the trade window is open,
which is why you need someone else there to invis you.

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"Graeme Faelban" <RichardRapier@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Firian" <G.Booth@usm.edu> wrote in news:41fa5f3b$1@nntp.usm.edu:
>>
>> Definitely wasn't the wrong guy; had my DE necro right there with me,
>> and the guy is alone in the room with his pet...uh, yeah, definitely
>> not a cleric, dunno why I thought that, lol. The DE was able to hand
>> him the wine and get the 'experience' (never moved my experience bar)
>> and the faction messages (he's to ally now). So, it's definitely the
>> right guy, just have to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Invis AFTER
>> opening the trade window, huh? May give that a shot.
>
> In general, invis drops when you start the hand in. So, you need to be
> grouped with someone who can invis you after you initiate the trade, but
> before you complete it. You cannot cast while the trade window is open,
> which is why you need someone else there to invis you.

Hmm...that would explain it. *grin* And of course, since my necro can only
self-invis...I'll have to see if my wiz friend can accompany me next time I
give it a shot. He's high elf, but I believe he has Neriak faction. Thanks
for the tip.

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Graeme Faelban <RichardRapier@netscape.net> writes:
> In general, invis drops when you start the hand in. So, you need to be
> grouped with someone who can invis you after you initiate the trade, but
> before you complete it. You cannot cast while the trade window is open,
> which is why you need someone else there to invis you.

That probably does explain the problems the troll had (using troll
in the EQ sense, not the newsgroup sense!); he tried reinvising
using a potion, but you can't do that once you start the trade.
You need someone else to reinvis you.

But your first sentence brings us back to where I started this thread.
I've since confirmed that the new (and probably temporary) quests in
Lavastorm can be done WITHOUT breaking invis. That is, I go up to the
turn-in NPC while invis, give him something, get the reward, and I'm
still invis! Not only that, but I'm pretty sure I was able to get the
NPCs to respond to quest dialogs while I was invisible.

I need to find some simple quest I can try to see if this change applies
to old quests as well. Hm, maybe I'll run some more gems between the
bazaar and Shadowhaven.

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Don Woods <don-ns@iCynic.com> writes:
> I need to find some simple quest I can try to see if this change applies
> to old quests as well. Hm, maybe I'll run some more gems between the
> bazaar and Shadowhaven.

I verified that I can turn quest items in without breaking invis.
However, I couldn't get the NPCs to respond to speech (if I needed
to give a trigger phrase to get a quest item). I think the one
that did respond to a trigger phrase must be able to see invis,
since he also cons amiably to me while I'm invis.

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Don Woods <don-ns@iCynic.com> wrote in news:7w7jlv6o5i.fsf@ca.icynic.com:

> Don Woods <don-ns@iCynic.com> writes:
>> I need to find some simple quest I can try to see if this change applies
>> to old quests as well. Hm, maybe I'll run some more gems between the
>> bazaar and Shadowhaven.
>
> I verified that I can turn quest items in without breaking invis.
> However, I couldn't get the NPCs to respond to speech (if I needed
> to give a trigger phrase to get a quest item). I think the one
> that did respond to a trigger phrase must be able to see invis,
> since he also cons amiably to me while I'm invis.
>

Generally, they need to be able to see invis in order to respond to dialog
while you are invis...

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