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I'm wondering how the nVidia guard will defend this card when it has less VRAM and probably around the same performance as the outgoing 3060 12GB. Because, let's be honest, the 3060 8GB is a horrible aberration of a card that should be put out of it's misery, which is exactly what nVidia may want to compare against.

And on the 25th May, if the rumour mill is to be believed, we'll get to be disappointed by AMD and the 7600XT launch.

Anyway, let's see how it goes for both "mid-range" cards. And yes, please do take notice of the quotation marks.

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Nvidia released the GeForce RTX 3060 with 12GB of VRAM in early 2021, and even the RTX 2060 was updated with that amount of VRAM during the height of the cryptocurrency speculation bubble.
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Nvidia's decision to upgrade the 2060 to 12GB likely had a whole lot more to do with the DAG size passing 6GB than any gaming-related concerns.

Elusive Ruse said:
Nvidia's xx60 line is now entry GPU tier, 128-bit bus and 8GB VRAM is a big tell.
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Nvidia attempted to up-badge the 4070 to 4080-tier with the "4080-12GB" version, now it is attempting to up-badge the 4050 to 4060(Ti) and the 4030 to 4050 while up-pricing one tier beyond that on top.

Nvidia must love its stacks of unsold 3000-series inventory if it is willing to stack 4000-series inventory to avoid clearing shelf space. At some point, all of this stale inventory is going to become a problem - warehouse and shelf space aren't free.
 
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--60 is entry level so 8gb is fine, especially for things like MMOs, "older" games (pre 2020), "esports" games, and non gaming yet GPU meaningful tasks like office work. It wouldn't surprise me to see a 3060ti model or few with 12gb depending on how sales go, but if AMD is going to compete with only 8gb after bashing Nvidia for not going higher, I doubt there will be anything official, at least until next year's current Gen refresh.

The problem is it's too expensive. A --60 card needs to be around the $299 price point as it's a far more budget performance per dollar market than even the midrange.
 
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Alvar Miles Udell said:
--60 is entry level so 8gb is fine, especially for things like MMOs, "older" games (pre 2020), "esports" games, and non gaming yet GPU meaningful tasks like office work. It wouldn't surprise me to see a 3060ti model or few with 12gb depending on how sales go, but if AMD is going to compete with only 8gb after bashing Nvidia for not going higher, I doubt there will be anything official, at least until next year's current Gen refresh.

The problem is it's too expensive. A --60 card needs to be around the $299 price point as it's a far more budget performance per dollar market than even the midrange.
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This is what I expect the order to end up as, based on the current RDNA3 line up:

7900 XTX: 24GB
7900 XT: 20GB
7800 XT: 16GB
7700 XT: 12GB
7600 XT: 8 GB
 
InvalidError said:
Nvidia's decision to upgrade the 2060 to 12GB likely had a whole lot more to do with the DAG size passing 6GB than any gaming-related concerns.


Nvidia attempted to up-badge the 4070 to 4080-tier with the "4080-12GB" version, now it is attempting to up-badge the 4050 to 4060(Ti) and the 4030 to 4050 while up-pricing one tier beyond that on top.

Nvidia must love its stacks of unsold 3000-series inventory if it is willing to stack 4000-series inventory to avoid clearing shelf space. At some point, all of this stale inventory is going to become a problem - warehouse and shelf space aren't free.
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The prices of the 3000 series cards right now, at least where I live, are absolutely bonkers. You can get a 6950 XT for the price of a 3070 Ti.
 
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Alvar "Miles" Udell said:
--60 is entry level so 8gb is fine, especially for things like MMOs, "older" games (pre 2020), "esports" games, and non gaming yet GPU meaningful tasks like office work.
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Hogwarts Legacy and RE4 disagrees with you... example of games that's really the ones I'm most interested to play this year but surpass 8GB at 1080p. If 8GB was "ok" I allready have the 2060S for $200 to enjoy it and olders games as well, everything maxed out at 60fps. If I want/need more VRAM I can go a little higher with the 12GB option on the 3060, selling around $270, or even better, a 6700 XT 12GB for $300, which is for me the sweet spot at 1080p right now, that's 3060Ti/3070 performance and exactly where the 4060 will play for around $400. Now.. even a $400 3070 12GB isnt a ok deal for me, because those $100 extra over the 6700XT bring me only a extra on RT (which is a gimmick) and DLSS3 FG (which is another gimmick). Sorry.. I bet with you that in just a few months the 3080 10GB will be selling for $450, it's $480 allready, and that's the card the 4060 should have been at $400 new. If you want the "true" 4060 it's now called the 3080 10GB, anything less is a overpriced rebadged gimmick.

This gen came out really shameful, I can only hope that AMD is prepping a launch that will save the day with the 7600XT.
 
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InvalidError said:
8GB is fine. Can't realistically have much more than that on GPUs between $200 and $250. The only problem I have with it is Nvidia charging $400+.
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I agree with you that 8GB is fine for a $200 GPU, aka the RTX 2060S and the 6600XT. But for $400? Not even close my friend. I want to play Hogwarts Legacy maxed out at 1080p and 8GB won't cut it. What about the ganes of tomorrow? Jedi Survivor is a VRAM eater.. Starfield, which modders will take on to double visual quality will eat VRAM.. and so on. Just a heads up.. the RX6700 XT is already a "4060 12GB" level card for only $300, the 3060 also gives you 12GB a tier below for $280.. and you want me to expect a $400 is passable with 8GB? No tnks. Today the real $400 tier "next gen" is the 6800XT 16GB, and let's say also the RTX 3080 12GB when both drop another $50 on the second hand market.
 
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I guess be careful of what you wish for. People have been hoping for round a 100w 4060, seems like they will get it if the ~30% reduction from the 4070 TI and 4070 holds true. Only problem is, it likely won't perform any better than its 3060 counterpart at 12 GB of RAM.
 
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I agree! 8gb is just fine for low end 1080p GPU!
It allows most new games to run at 1080p and even some older games at 1440p. You can not expect much more from low end GPUs.
Also Nvidia is definitely doing segmentation more strongly than before.
I would not be surprised if also 5060 will be 8Gb because xx60 class is the low end 1080p segment.
Also 5070 most likely also be 12Gb to be 1440p segmented GPU
and if you need 4k... the low end option will be 16Gb 5080. If you need more vram... be ready to pay 5090 as the flagship. It makes a lot of sense from the manufacturer perspective. You don´t want your own GPUs to compete each others in the same segment... Well maybe the ti and non ti version.

But all in all there is strong segmentation in every possible way in this gen and I don´t see why they would not continue that. 1070 did eat 1080 and 1080ti sales, because it was allmost as good and, much much cheaper. They are not making the same "mistake" again and will keep cards in their own segments!

Also $200 GPUs are dead... We have now APUs in that segment. Lets see what 4050 will cost, but that will show where cheapest "real" GPUs will be in the future.
Well $200 is fine for used GPU also in the future... 3 years old xx60 series could be there! (with 8Gb memory)
 
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While slightly off topic, if there any confirmation that the RTX4060's VRAM will do just 288GB/s just seems extremely low, especially when you consider that older cards such as the GTX 970 were commonly in the 260-270GB/s range, and even that ancient card benefited from additional overclocking of the VRAM some some tasks.
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The RTX4060 does have 12X as much L2 cache and ~3X as much "L1" per SM vs the GTX970, which would help considerably with making more efficient use of its available VRAM bandwidth, nothing particularly problematic there besides Nvidia trying to foist what should have been a $250 RTX4050 for a likely $400+ as an RTX4060.
 
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