Even with high powered machines is some stuttering natural?

[savatage79]

Im running an i7 920 with 6 gb of ram and a gtx 295, and in some games im just getting occasional hiccups, nothing massive but enough to make me go hmm.

I been out of the pc loop a bit so i just assumed a monster like this should run flawlessly just about anything, but the games im trying are a little older and even moreso thought this system would eat them up. I mean its not like they arent playable, but just the occasional little spurt.

I turned off the multi core as well and been running that for games like titan quest and kings bounty. Are these games just notorious for being a little stuttery at times regardless of your machine?

Could it be my monitor just isnt up to par with the current specs im running?

 

[pr2thej]

Ahhh Titan Quest has an issue called rubber banding which is caused by access to your HDD. There is a community patch available from www.titanquest.net forums which largely sorts it. Make sure you install it before the Hades fight if you have the expantion...otherwise its a nightmare.
On Kings bounty i wouldnt know im afraid.

 

[silversurfernhs]

if your system is fresh, and im assuming your using vista, it can take a couple of days to let the os index the hdd contents, which may impact performance/ stuttering, any programs running in the background ARE STILL DOING THINGS, such as accessing hdd, processing things and with a beast getting 200+fps in games, the hiccup to 100, or even 60-80 frames would be noticeable for a slight instance. be more descriptive abut these "hiccups" there are a wide variety of problems associated with performance issues.

 

[pr2thej]

oh just turn off the indexing service to bypass that, its a waste of resources anyway unless you run lots of searches.

 

[savatage79]

oh just turn off the indexing service to bypass that, its a waste of resources anyway unless you run lots of searches.

Oh theres something in vista thats an index service? You mean searches within your PC?

And the hiccups i just mean are like a slight stutter or lag occasionally like i said in titan quest or kings Bounty, im sure its just being nitpicky, but its just sometimes like you wanna see pure perfection with an offline game like that and a machine like this lol.

But what you guys said sounds right, yea its a fresh build, vista 64 and everything...things may still be sorting out.

Question though, to keep this new pc alot more fresh so to speak im gonna make sure i actually defrag the hdd. What would be an appropriate setting, weekly, monthly ?

 

[savatage79]

Trying to explain that issue in TQ, i read about the banding issue and its not a rubberband type thing...its just more of when im running cross field i get the occasional tear so to speak, or a clip....which just with this machine i would of thought wouldnt happen. But again like i said im sure this machine can, it just may be the coding or the fact my monitor isnt keeping up....thats my personal guess though.

 

[pat mcgroin]

If you're not online turn off anything that is running to clear your memory,
If you have vista ultimate and are running the live wallpaper turn it off.
I know it says it will suspend it but at least on mine it doesnt work correctly.

I also have indexing turned off. I never saw enough value for it.

As for defrag once a month or so is good enough.
Often it will tell you that it doesnt need it but do it anyway. By the time it says it needs it, it is already fairly messy. Just turn it on and goto sleep.

 

[pr2thej]

As above Savatage79, install the TQ community patch from the forum i linked above, it will solve that issue for you.

I play the game quite a lot and had exactly the same issue (you will notice it manifests more when you pass into a new area and those beacons of fire light up)

 

[savatage79]

As above Savatage79, install the TQ community patch from the forum i linked above, it will solve that issue for you.

I play the game quite a lot and had exactly the same issue (you will notice it manifests more when you pass into a new area and those beacons of fire light up)

1.30 is the latest man? Im workin so i dont have as much time as i want to scan and see whats what, but let me know, thanks bud.

 

[gamerk316]

Could be issues with the 295; dual GPU cards are known to do that from time to time...

 

[savatage79]

Well from what iread, the gtx 295 has some micro stuttering going on at times. Can this be fixed with a driver update most likely?

I was checkin some stuff and found this:

http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-ForceWare-185.20-Vista-64-bit-download-2156.html#download

Is that a legit place anyone know? But im running 182 drivers, someone mentioned they run those drivers and get no micro stuttering...do you guys think i should roll that way?

Also, to upgrade drivers for these newer machines...can i just install it, or where do i exactly go to remove the drivers?

 

[silversurfernhs]

most of the time, its only necessary to CLEAN remove drivers if windows fx around and doesnt install the new drivers correctly. you should be good with just installing the updated drivers. as far as the dual gpu issue, ive read in many places about the dual gpu and even my own gpu - 8800 (the generations after the fx line) have micro stutter in certain games. (because theyre so friikin fast) but ever since the 180 series of drivers i havent experienced the microstutter. Indexing is actually a pretty good thing, for me at least because when you search the start bar for a program it can be quicker than clicking foldrs and such til you find the program, but thats all i really use it for; once its done indexing it doesnt really bear any effects on your system performance. now as for the clipping, do you experience a high fps and sometimes a verticle "tear". The solution to this is turning on "verticle sync" if it is available in your games options for video. this begs the question is this a frame clipping issue guys? and then what is your monitors refresh rate? is this normal fps slowdown, or refresh rate sync clipping due to the insane fps hese getting!?! lol

 

[savatage79]

Well heres the thing, like these games are for the most part...99% running smooth as freakin butter on a bisquit 😛 its not a tear its just an occasional like "blirp"....but super subtle, i just am finicky with stuff like that because i notice it big time. Now like crysis runs flawlessly...but a game like titan quest is where it will happen or kings bounty, but again its so fast and so subtle im sure most people would go "dude wtf man thats nothing lol"....which i can live with, because this machine is beastly and i shouldnt be complaining because i am getting rock solid framerates...but like you said i think because these cards are so fast that its like it just is overpowering the games.

Im just trying to familiarize my way with the new gear is all.

And im still gonna install that patch like suggested about for TQ. I just ran the game now and i cranked it all up, maybe it was just because it was the first day i got the machine goin but with everything on max settings it ran just about flawlessly, with the little blirp kind of when im running continuously , but again just its noticable but hardly.

Im curious about those 185 drivers though, any of you running them?

And my monitors refresh rate is 60, that was another thing...i just am wondering if my monitor cant keep up. Also could it just be that most of these games just arent built for this tech yet, but when they are utilized better, it will be an even better t hing?

 

[silversurfernhs]

im pretty sure it is because of the insane fps, because only crysis and maybe new gfx demanding games will tame the framerate of your gpu/ cpu combo down. other less demanding games will skyrocket fps and youll notice hiccups more. about the tech and games being ready for it, no. i still play ut2004 every now and again fine. but you might want to upgrade your monitor to a 120hz refresh rate, they are much more brilliant in brightness and contrast and vividness in color, as well as maybe stomp out some stuttering issues due to that fact that every game you play probably gets fps in the hundreds, so syncing wont be much of an issue with higher refresh rates.120fps-120 hz

 

[savatage79]

Yea i actually plan to upgrade my monitor, i bought this like 8 months ago when i wasnt planning a massive upgrade ... and so i want the best i can get, well the closest best i can get 😛

What monitor do you suggest?

Id love a 25 incher, this is a 22...but a 25 incher with amazing refresh rates and all the bells and whistles would be nice. Id go around 350ish -400 perhaps.

Toss me some suggestions when you get a chance

 

[antiacid]

a good 24inch monitor is the G2400WD from BenQ. Great quality/price and awesome performances overall.

If you don't believe me, read this MASSIVE thread that ranks pretty much every LCD under the sun:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y

 

[gamerk316]

Vsync fixes everything...

 

[savatage79]

Ahhh Titan Quest has an issue called rubber banding which is caused by access to your HDD. There is a community patch available from www.titanquest.net forums which largely sorts it. Make sure you install it before the Hades fight if you have the expantion...otherwise its a nightmare.
On Kings bounty i wouldnt know im afraid.

Hey bro, can you link me directly to the patch i need? Thanks.

 

[pr2thej]

Here we go:

http://www.titanquest.net/forums/modifications-editor/26420-list-popular-mods-programs.html
Xmax is pro...really hard for the first 10 levels but so much fun after that. 3 Typhons? BRING IT ON!!

Fanpatch:
http://www.titanquest.net/forums/bugfix-fanpatch/26855-rel-bugfix-patch.html#post286067


Worked for me, i only had a few issues when i started playing around with Defiler. Managed to screw up my TQvault so i cant even mouseover Artifacts anymore without getting an error message so I'd say leave Defiler well alone. Its only a hacking tool anyways for recovering lost characters and such.

 

[bnot]

Unfortunately, some stuttering here and there is inevitable with PC-s.

That's fundamentally because PCs have separate main RAM and video RAM on the video card. For a resource, such as a texture, to be used by the GPU, it needs to be copied to the video RAM over a relatively slow PCI-E bus. If the scene uses more resources than fits into the video card's local RAM, then they need to be swapped in and out over the bus constantly. As long as all the scene and texture data fits in the video card's local RAM, everything's fine, but swapping it in and out over the bus in addition to regular geometry data causes subtle or less subtle hiccuping.

Consoles have unified memory architectures, meaning that the CPU and GPU both access the same data in the same RAM directly. Not only is there no PCI-E bus limitation, but there's no need to move texture data around in the first place. That makes for a smoother, steadier framerate.