News EVGA Slashes $1,000 Off GeForce RTX 3090 Ti GPUs, Starting at $1,149

[BILL1957]

They got a $1.4 Billion miss on earnings, a failing stock price, and angry AIB partners laying off workers because of falling sales and excess inventory sitting in their warehouses. Not to mention most in the industry are predicting flat sales at best next year. So, they basically have problems on top of problems heading into a recession.

And this is where the lines get blurred when you are looking at the overall picture, how much of this "excess" inventory laying on warehouse shelves at this point is actually Nvidia's or the AIB partners?

Something else to look back on is how many of these card manufacturers slowed down and delayed production late in 2021 under the premise to have stock available for the coming quarters which such decision now seems like it may be actually biting them in the behind today?

I have no pity for these manufacturers as they milked the shortages and pandemic for all they could milk it for.
All of the AIB partners were only manufacturing their highest end, highest cost with the most profit margin cards and not releasing any of the more budget offerings as they knew they could sell every card they made faster than they could make them at the time.

Maybe a little karma is in order and not so bad for a bit to remind them just like us customers the markets do shift and sometimes you are not the one in the drivers seat and total control.

 

[ConfusedCounsel]

I agree, but the people who have money to spend on new high end GPUs are going to be willing to pay top dollar (ie recession proof). These are the people that bought Titans and the Star Wars edition Titans, the Titan Z, the Titan Black, etc.

If they have an overstock of 30 series cards and the used market is booming, those can occupy the mid-range for the foreseeable future. No point making a product that won't sell. If they ONLY make high end 4070/4080/4090 they can sit on that for a whole generation and concentrate their efforts on profitable silicon.

Yep. I don't expect to see a 4060 Ti, 4060, or 4050 until the 3070 Ti through 3060 12G are cleared from shelves. A price drop on the 3070 TI to a MSRP $400 - $450 in time for Christmas shopping seems plausible.

As for fools with money... I got nothing.

 

[Phaaze88]

Adding another 100W power draw, not my idea of a good plan either, at the least I (and I am sure many others) would have to get a new power supply as well.

I looked at some of the vbios files TPU has, and there's not a 100w gap between these 2 cards - it's closer to 50w.
Can't argue with the rest.

Launch price for the GTX1080 was $700...

1080Ti. 1080 launched at 600, but was dropped to 500 when the Ti launched.

 

[blacknemesist]

Meanwhile in europe : € 1.872,99 Exc VAT for the cheapest model 🙄 Thanks I guess

 

[Eximo]

I looked at some of the vbios files TPU has, and there's not a 100w gap between these 2 cards - it's closer to 50w.
Can't argue with the rest.


1080Ti. 1080 launched at 600, but was dropped to 500 when the Ti launched.

Founder's Edition 1080 was $700, first AIB cards were MSRP $600 (Most cards were somewhere in between, I think the card I bought was $650) And then yes, drop to $500 when the 1080Ti launched. Which is why everyone bought 1080Ti and then didn't bother with an RTX 2080 for $800 and early ray-tracing and 2080Ti sat on shelves $1200 (readjusted to a more realistic $1000) Pascal was just such a good deal compared to Maxwell and they pre-crippled their sales for Turing.

Oh and everyone, AIBs and consumers, were mad at Nvidia for the FE launch, so they didn't do that again the same way.

 

[ConfusedCounsel]

I have no pity for these manufacturers as they milked the shortages and pandemic for all they could milk it for.
All of the AIB partners were only manufacturing their highest end, highest cost with the most profit margin cards and not releasing any of the more budget offerings as they knew they could sell every card they made faster than they could make them at the time.

Maybe a little karma is in order and not so bad for a bit to remind them just like us customers the markets do shift and sometimes you are not the one in the drivers seat and total control.

Add loss of consumer goodwill to the list of problems facing Nvidia.

 

[Phaaze88]

Indeed many buyers have been waiting and hoping for the RTX 3090ti or the plain 3090 edition as prices for these cards are getting much narrower between them by the day! There is also a big suspicion that between the 3090ti and the upper-tier new 4000-series cards that there will not be as big of a jump in performance as currently purported and the vast majority of AAA games will not be seeing any significant real world improvement. From what I know there is however a significant improvement in cooling and other inherent tech that comes with the 3090ti and which is closer to the design of the 4000-series. If in fact I had the money I would grab a 3090ti at around $1000 in a heartbeat and be happy for the next 5-6 years and call it a day amidst all the 'scuttlebutt' going around! Thoughts?

In other words, you're saying it'll be Turing all over again. Makes sense to me. It would be unheard of to have significant jumps in performance every gen.
Kinda like with Intel's 'tick-tick-tock', where the ticks were refinements/refreshes and the tock was the kicker.


I spent close to 1000 on the 1080Ti($710) I bought back at launch, plus the Kraken G12($40), a Celsius S36($130), and a Celsius+ S28($150?) as a backup.
If I'm spending that much on a gpu, I'm going liquid(gpu AIO or custom loop), but that's just me.

 

[ConfusedCounsel]

[QUOTE="Phaaze88, post: 22766460, member: 2221541" Everything is profits first. Seeing what some of these cards cost now, is probably their real price.

Indeed many buyers have been waiting and hoping for the RTX 3090ti or the plain 3090 edition as prices for these cards are getting much narrower between them by the day! There is also a big suspicion that between the 3090ti and the upper-tier new 4000-series cards that there will not be as big of a jump in performance as currently purported and the vast majority of AAA games will not be seeing any significant real world improvement. From what I know there is however a significant improvement in cooling and other inherent tech that comes with the 3090ti and which is closer to the design of the 4000-series. If in fact I had the money I would grab a 3090ti at around $1000 in a heartbeat and be happy for the next 5-6 years and call it a day amidst all the 'scuttlebutt' going around! Thoughts?

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I suspect NVidia will make the 4070 perform on par with the 3090 (TSE - 10,000 specs with 10 Gb) and reserve the full die 12 GB variant (TSE > 11,000) for a 4070Ti release. The difference in performance between the 4070 and 4080 will be about 20% (10% for each $100 difference in price). So, I am guessing Nvidia will set it around TSE of 12000. This will allow 4070 TI full die to slate in between the 4070 and 4080 for $100 more than the 4070 and $100 less than the 4080. After that we get into the who cares it is too expensive cards.

 

[blppt]

Hardly door stops. Even if the 4000s offer 20% improvement (random number) the vast majority of games won't seen any significant real world improvement. 150fps vs 180? is that really something anyone is going to notice.

Are you kidding? 4k monitor owners who want to run ray tracing and high detail would likely see a very noticable difference between a 3090/3090ti and the new 4xxx series card.

Its the difference between 30fps and probably 50, if the rumored RT performance improvements from 3xxx-4xxx are true. That is HUGE.

 

[ConfusedCounsel]

Are you kidding? 4k monitor owners who want to run ray tracing and high detail would likely see a very noticable difference between a 3090/3090ti and the new 4xxx series card.

Its the difference between 30fps and probably 50, if the rumored RT performance improvements from 3xxx-4xxx are true. That is HUGE.

While true. Most gamers don't play at 4K. I offered 4k Monitors to each of my gaming daughters. The first, said no thank you - a 360 Hertz 1080 please. I the other said, no thank you - an 1440 170 Hertz please.

Currently 4k gaming is niche. Anything larger than a 28' monitor gets unwieldly on a desk. At that size, the difference between 4K and 1440 is negligible. For most, the high priced 90/90 TI cards are just not worth it.

 

[blppt]

"Currently 4k gaming is niche. Anything larger than a 28' monitor gets unwieldly on a desk. At that size, the difference between 4K and 1440 is negligible. For most, the high priced 90/90 TI cards are just not worth it. "

Whether or not it is 'niche', there are enough people out there 4k gaming to make these new cards viable.

BTW even at 1440p, the 3xxx series can struggle with high detail and RT.

And finally, new games keep coming out which will undoubtedly have greater detail and require faster cards.

Now, if the new 4xxx series eats a ton of wattage and barely improves performance using heavy raytracing at 4k, then yes, it will be a dud.

 

[BILL1957]

[QUOTE="Phaaze88, post: 22766460, member: 2221541" Everything is profits first. Seeing what some of these cards cost now, is probably their real price.

Indeed many buyers have been waiting and hoping for the RTX 3090ti or the plain 3090 edition as prices for these cards are getting much narrower between them by the day! There is also a big suspicion that between the 3090ti and the upper-tier new 4000-series cards that there will not be as big of a jump in performance as currently purported and the vast majority of AAA games will not be seeing any significant real world improvement. From what I know there is however a significant improvement in cooling and other inherent tech that comes with the 3090ti and which is closer to the design of the 4000-series. If in fact I had the money I would grab a 3090ti at around $1000 in a heartbeat and be happy for the next 5-6 years and call it a day amidst all the 'scuttlebutt' going around! Thoughts?

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One thing to remember is the 30 series was based on the Samsung chip which honestly was a handicap to the actual performance capability of the 30 series design.

The 40 series goes back to a much better TSMC chip so just discounting that the performance numbers will not be as big of a jump as estimated this may actually be the scenario that makes such a huge jump a reality.
Also Ray Tracing is supposed to be 2-2.5 times faster and there is supposed to be a newer improved DLSS as well, so everything is not just based on FPS from one gen to the next.

Lastly, recently it seems the leaks concerning AMD on their top cards have been indicating AMDas well is bumping up the power consumption and watt draw on their cards.
Could that mean that AMD is actually concerned about the 40 series performance that they need to start really pushing their cards for all they are worth to compete?
AMD has always sort of played the efficiency king card in the past so just something more to ponder.

But for me, the 4080 will be under $1000 in my opinion and no way would I pay even near that for a 3090ti which will have less performance and last gen feature levels.

 

[King_V]

Lastly, recently it seems the leaks concerning AMD on their top cards have been indicating AMDas well is bumping up the power consumption and watt draw on their cards.

Which leaks?

 

[BILL1957]

Which leaks?

"AMD’s RDNA 3 flagship is supposedly shaping up to be quite the beast, but it may have a serious appetite for Watts, too. As 3DCenter points out, Bondrewd(opens in new tab) reckons that AMD’s next-gen card won’t hit 500W, but with clues that leaker left as to the size of the chiplets (remember, the flagship RDNA 3 product is rumored to use a pair of GPUs), 3DCenter has guessed that the card could pull around 450W."
This is just one of many I have seen floating around plus a lot of different you tube video leakers as well.

 

[hannibal]

But for me, the 4080 will be under $1000 in my opinion and no way would I pay even near that for a 3090ti which will have less performance and last gen feature levels.

I expect 4080 to cost at least $1500... That would make most sense. Then 3090ti at $1149 would make any sense...
What we will also see is high end AMD GPU also go up in price, so there is less reason to reduce 4000 series prices by Nvidia.

 

[BILL1957]

I expect 4080 to cost at least $1500... That would make most sense. Then 3090ti at $1149 would make any sense...
What we will also see is high end AMD GPU also go up in price, so there is less reason to reduce 4000 series prices by Nvidia.

No way the 4080 will launch at anywhere near a $1500 msrp with Nvidia hoping to sell any large numbers of the new offering.
At that rate the 4090 would need to be $2500 msrp at launch.

The 4080 will see a launch msrp increase over the 3080 but with current lower gpu demand in the market, inflation and recession worries worldwide along with a large part of the retail market excluded from these new products due to world conflict and sanctions that increase will have to be fairly modest and my guess would be $899 for the vanilla 4080 and at an absolute maximum still sub $1000.

The 4090 I look to be in the $1799 range with all these prices being in USD.
You have to remember they have to leave a higher price point available to price the "ti" versions later that still will be sellable price wise.

The gpu market was in the perfect storm to the manufacturers advantage the last couple of years, now that advantage is not still affecting the market with the changes in events and world economies and the crypto mining crash.
Trying to keep prices above a point most felt was reasonable is part of the reason the manufacturers are dealing with the current huge overstock of 30 series cards.

Even now most 3080 cards they are still asking at or above original msrp so how is that considered a EOL sale at clearance pricing?
Answer it is not, they are still trying to ride off of the price gouging they took advantage of during the pandemic.
and convince the consumer now normal real world retail pricing is a bargain basement deal.

And as far as there is less reason for Nvidia to reduce 4000 series pricing tell that to a company that speculating on future demand remaining at the level it was over the last year and a half and is now sitting on a massive overabundance of chips to build 4000 series cards according to current demand estimations.