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Tat worked, thank-you. I reckon that's not part of MS regular updates. ?
In any event, I did download and run that diskeeper lite. Hey, that worked,
I think!! I'll try and post to that thread appropriately.
"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:O6s0BRwnFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> updating your scripting engine may help....
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0A8A18F6-249C-4A72-BFCF-FC6AF26DC390&displaylang=en
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>
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>
>
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> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gdGdnSrvXaGzXWbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> > It just would hang, and never respond. No idea why. Still don't know
how
> > Shane got that URL, but it worked!
> >
> >
> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23ztZTNXnFHA.3312@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> strange - it downloaded fine for me when I followed the instructions I
> >> posted.... use Shane's link (it's the same place in the end)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >>
> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >>
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >>
> >>
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >>
> >> Please read
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
> >>
> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2YSdnd2yOKyY1WTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> >> > "Note Updates for Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 98, and
Windows
> > 98
> >> > Second Edition are being made available under extended support for
> >> > critical
> >> > security issues."
> >> >
> >> > Not sure what that means, but no matter what, I cannot seem to grab
> >> > that
> >> > file from Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> > Oh well. Maybe I'll see if tucows has it.
> >> >
> >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:uKpPESRnFHA.3336@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> The fact that the 891711 patch isn't installing could be an
indicator
> >> >> that
> >> >> you're already infected with the virus that it's designed to avert.
> >> >>
> >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> Make sure that you have (in Folder Options) enabled viewing of
Hidden
> > AND
> >> >> System Files (2 settings!), and run a full system scan of all files,
> >> >> using
> >> >> your Anti-Virus, and also Ad-Aware (doesn't really matter which is
> >> >> first!)
> >> >>
> >> >> Let us know what's found
> >> >>
> >> >> You can download the 891711 patch from here....
> >> >> Oh - no , you can't!!
🙁 - it seems to be available only from Win
ME's
> >> >> Windows Update Catalog, for some reason!)
> >> >> Try here, instead....
> >> >> Go to Windows Update, when it's loaded, click on the 'Personalise'
> >> >> link
> >> >> on
> >> >> the left - then opt to add the Windows Update Catalog to your
> > listing....
> >> >> Save, and back out to Windows Update - then click on the new link
> >> >> Then click on 'Find update for ME Windows......'
> >> >> Then highlight the Windows Millennium Edition entry in the dropdown
> >> >> Then click on Advanced search options, and enter 891711 in the
> > "Contains
> >> >> these words" box, and click OK - you should get a single offering,
> > which
> >> >> will be the right one. Download that, reboot to Safe Mode, and
install
> >> >> the
> >> >> patch from there
> >> >>
> >> >> See if that helps.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >>
> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >>
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >>
> >> >> Please read
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
> > NG's
> >> >>
> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:S_udnUXni-UtZWXfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> >> >> > That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject
> > Search
> >> >> > Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine
to
> >> >> > install
> >> >> > it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the
> > other
> >> >> > stuff too, it's better, I guess.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get
my
> >> > login
> >> >> > and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password)
sometimes
> > the
> >> >> > machine works, sometimes not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading
> >> >> > at
> >> > that
> >> >> > time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days,
hitting
> >> >> > escape
> >> >> > would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks again for your help.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ted
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Noel Paton" <noeldpspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:%239NjLiglFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> OK - we're some of the way there, now!<g>
> >> >> >> Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it
> >> > reports
> >> >> >> about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as
> > broken/missing
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there,
then
> >> >> > install
> >> >> >> them.
> >> >> >> Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and
then
> > run
> >> > a
> >> >> >> full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
> >> >> >> spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they
> >> > report,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> post back with results.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >>
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please read
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
> >> >> >> to
> >> > NG's
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:c7GdnRM6At9SUnHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> > Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit
> > too.
> >> >> > That
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > problematic.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > (It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not
doing
> >> >> >> > anything)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:dc2dnWqDrexkWHHfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> >> Well Noel,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe
> >> >> >> >> mode.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> and others under System devices.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer
> >> >> >> >> under
> >> > this
> >> >> >> >> group, successfully.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I
> >> > deleted
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices
> > under
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > USB
> >> >> >> >> root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully*
> >> >> >> >> removed
> >> >> > much
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> the extra garbage under system devices.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as
I
> >> > think
> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why
on
> >> > earth
> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> > need
> >> >> >> >> a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for
the
> >> >> >> >> Mrs
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > get
> >> >> >> >> to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise
I
> >> > don't
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Sorry.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> And thanks for posting back.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:O2xunsUlFHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is
really
> > a
> >> >> >> >> > last
> >> >> >> >> > resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave
the
> >> > system
> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
> >> >> >> >> > Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had
> >> >> >> >> > IE6
> >> >> >> > installed
> >> >> >> >> > when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no
longer
> >> > works
> >> >> >> >> > properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that
> > many
> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
> >> >> >> >> > we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager
sorted.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Good Luck
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> >> > Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> >> >
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Please read
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> > messages
> >> > to
> >> >> >> > NG's
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:GNudnfzsQ706fHbfRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> > message
> >> >> >> >> > > news:%23ZE2%23ATlFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > >> Oh, boy!!
> >> >> >> >> > >> That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall
of
> > the
> >> > OS
> >> >> >> > over
> >> >> >> >> > >> itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise
> >> >> >> >> > >> at
> >> > all
> >> >> >> >> > >> that
> >> >> >> >> > > you've
> >> >> >> >> > >> been having problems!!
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups,
> > rebooting
> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> Normal
> >> >> >> >> > >> Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe
Mode.
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> CD-ROM remove all, then reboot
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Disk Drives - remove ALL,
> >> >> >> >> > >> HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> System
> >> >> >> >> > >> - Remove ONLY the following:-
> >> >> >> >> > >> System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> >> >> > >> System speaker
> >> >> >> >> > >> System timer
> >> >> >> >> > >> then reboot
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe
Mode
> >> >> >> >> > >> again,
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > > check
> >> >> >> >> > >> for duplicates again
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> If there's none there, go to
> >> >> >> >> > >> Start |Run
> >> >> >> >> > >> type
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> SCANREG /FIX
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> and click OK
> >> >> >> >> > >> Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the
> >> >> >> >> > >> system
> >> >> >> > behaves
> >> >> >> >> > >> then.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Will post, either way.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> HTH, and good luck
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> >> > >> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> >> >> >> >> > >>
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > Thanks Ted
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >>
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> Please read
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
> >> > messages
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> NG's
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > >> news:R7adnfgrGuXfP3bfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> >> > >> > My Text of results is included within my reply. Took
me
> >> >> >> >> > >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > >> > while
> >> >> >> >> > >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > >> > safe
> >> >> >> >> > >> > mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
> >> >> >> >> > >> > explicitly,
> >> >> >> >> > >> > however
> >> >> >> >> > >> > only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine
> >> >> >> >> > >> > locked
> >> >> >> >> > >> > on
> >> >> >> >> splash
> >> >> >> >> > >> > screen, so had to hit reset button.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> >> > message
> >> >> >> >> > >> > news:utXSkfHlFHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> I suspect that you have driver problems......
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Safe Mode
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if
> >> > present
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any
> > required
> >> >> >> > drivers.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into
Safe
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Mode -
> >> >> >> > Now
> >> >> >> >> > > make
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or
have
> >> > yellow
> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> red
> >> >> >> >> > >> > flags
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> against them - and another set for any that have green
> >> > flags.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >> post back with your results.
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under CDROM:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ATAPI CDROM
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Triplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Generic DVD RW 8XMax
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > TEAC CD-W54E
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Disk drives:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > IOMEGA ZIP 100
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Hard Disk Controllers:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > =================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Primary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under keyboard:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Monitor:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Default Monitor
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Sound, video and game controllers:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Gameport Joystick
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under System devices:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ================
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Quadruplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Direct memory access controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Numerica data processor
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Programable interupt controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > System CMOS/real time clock
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > System speaker
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > System timer
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ===============
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Duplicated:
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > USB Root Hub
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > ++++++++++++++++
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Not having any duplicates nor warnings:
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > BTW (bluetooth controller)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Floppy Disk Controllers
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Modem (ext. sportster attached)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2}
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Ethernet
> >> >> > jacks)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Ports
> >> >> >> >> > >> > SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!
> >> >> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >> > (Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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