[citation][nom]amk-aka-Phantom[/nom]Whaaaaaat the... who the hell will be dumb enough to get a DESKTOP based on ARM?!Tell you what, we had this Atom craze in the town starting 3 years back or so and it only stopped now. After countless board failures, RMAs and miserable user experience, I think it's safe to mock anyone who gets a low-power desktop for home use. Get real and get some good quality fast CPU... Intel Sandy Bridge Pentiums will do, just got 3 of them recently and they're great for low-budget builds.[/citation]
do they cost well under 50$ per cpu?
i can see an arm being a great cpu for people who just wordprocess, email, and web browse, and want to do that for cheap.
[citation][nom]MAGPC[/nom]ARM just stay out of Intel and AMD way, because an idiot would just think of buying ARM cpu for a desktop.I think I will just throw an egg at the one who said that smartphones control other markets, well you are blind.[/citation]
arm can do some things really well, and those some things, is what most people only care about. that said, you could see a quad arm system, i mean arm barely need a heat sync, and if they are small enough you could get a 16 core computer, and per process, how much slower are arm to an intel, disregarding threads entirely.
[citation][nom]robisinho[/nom]applied micro has a slide showing the relative computational power of armv8 (yeah, that's 2015ish hardware, except their dev boards that come march 2012 - dont ask) relative to sandy bridge. if you calculate what the lines would be like for ivy bridge and haswell as 1/3 better than the previous generation ( a 33% improvement overall seems reasonable if slightly accelerated), than a 128-core armv8 will com in around 95% of the computational power of a haswell part based on the high end i7 SNB today. It will also require up to 256watts to run, being about 3 times as power hungry.these qualcomm chips are going to ring in around the level of a15s. maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, but certainly around that level (same instruction set, same die size). Assume the same 1/3 improvement again for arm from a15s to armv8, then the qualcomm needs 128 cores to compare to ivy bridge. No one is going to make 128 core desktops, the workload isnt threaded enough. So these are going to suck unless they are *dirt* cheap.[/citation]
isnt windows 8 suppose to be able to take a single thread applications and force it multithread? i heard that somewhere... at the very least, i can say this, i could use 128 cores, give each process its own core, and have at it, i currently have 87 shareing 4 cores.
[citation][nom]amdwilliam1985[/nom]"Naturally the big issue ARM-based PCs will face is the inability to run older Windows 7 or XP software. "This means failed, we don't need a version of Windows 8 that's not backward compatible...I can already hear my friends asking me in the future, "why don't my windows open this ? I use to be able to run it in windows 7/xp!".[/citation]
it also means easily ported apps, and everything big will most likely be written for the two anyway.
[citation][nom]chickenhoagie[/nom]why would anyone want a desktop with a smartphones hardware? you might as well put a VGA port in my phone and hook up a shitty monitor to it. And now they're saying people want to use "Apps" on a desktop? are you kidding me? there's a reason I'm using my desktop and not my phone right now..and no, its not just for the bigger display. I pity the moron who would ever buy an ARM-based desktop..[/citation]
with windows 8, apps are going to change, because they arent only for the phone or tablet anymore.
[citation][nom]IntelAndARm[/nom]The Qualcomm people are ignorant as all hell. No one wants just phone stuff for their PCs or they would ditch the PCs and just use their phones. Those systems may not be available until very late in 2012 or early 2013... just in time to compete with Intel's Haswell running a mature 22nm process and no doubt significant performance gains in graphics and compute power as well as gains in power management. Those systems could very well run in the same power envelope as a lower power Haswell type system buth with a 10th of the performance. You add in compatability issues and you would have to give them away to get any use out of them. I'm thinking both Intel and AMD will fry those things pretty good.Actually, the more interesting battle is how much headway Intel can make on the smartphone and tablet platform with its next generation ATOM, but that isn't expected to hit the shelves until 2013. I think that architecture has a chance to really make some noise moreso than current ARM chips running PC hardware.[/citation]
a complete arm desktop could probably play 1080p video for less than 200$
can you say the same about a 200$ intel computer, or even build one for that little?
most people couldnt care less about how fast their pc is because we hit the point were even the worst you can buy has enough power for most people. its on to a battle of cost, and arm could really change things on the low end, and possibly the high end, if they allow multi cpu systems.
[citation][nom]hetneo[/nom]I highly doubt that ARM based desktops (mind you we are talking about formfactor here, ARM based PC can't exist) can be success because people want same experience on their desktop as on their phones. This concept can work for business users, especially as clerk's and business assistants' workstations where it's only needed for office applications and or sending emails. In cases where extremely low performing ARM does same thing as efficiently as much expensive AMD or Intel CPU with IGP, but costs much less and consumes much less power, thus cutting bills. Mind you, I'm not talking about companies that have 10s of computers, but that have 1000s, and 1000s of clerks that do quite dumb work of writing memos and doing spreadsheets all day long.[/citation]
for buisnesses... it will be the defacto standard soon, the low power, and mixed with the ecencials like word and crap going to arm, its possible that this will take of there before the desktop segment
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