Extreme P55: Four LGA 1156 Motherboards Over $250

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I will comment the same as in the previous motherboard roundup: please add more details the CODECs on each board. There is almost nothing about the Via VT2020 and many crucial features of the ALC889 are vendor-dependant. It would be really good to know if they support Dolby Digital Live, DTS connect, Dolby Headphone and so on.
 

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"Already several years old, we have yet to build a system that can overcome Crysis’ system demands at 2560x1600 and 8x anti-aliasing (AA). That makes this outdated game a solid benchmark application."
 

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"Already several years old, we have yet to build a system that can overcome Crysis’ system demands at 2560x1600 and 8x anti-aliasing (AA). That makes this outdated game a solid benchmark application."
 

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So socket 1156 is supposed to be the most awesome thing in the world?

- No six core CPU's, EVER.
- Requires a glued on chip for more then 16 lanes.
- Motherboards overpriced compared to socket AM3.

When you buy a socket 1156 system that is all the performance you're going go get out of it. The top-end CPU's won't come down in price by much and Intel made it clear it's a mainstream platform. My socket AM3 has playable FPS, the motherboard is high end and under $200, and I'll be able to continue upgrading in the future. That is what matters to me. The Intel fan boy articles are getting so old.
 

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[citation][nom]kumaiti[/nom]I will comment the same as in the previous motherboard roundup: please add more details the CODECs on each board. There is almost nothing about the Via VT2020 and many crucial features of the ALC889 are vendor-dependant. It would be really good to know if they support Dolby Digital Live, DTS connect, Dolby Headphone and so on.[/citation]

They don't.
[citation][nom]johnbilicki[/nom]The Intel fan boy articles are getting so old.[/citation]

It might surprise you that new motherboard series articles follow new chipsets. So AMD fanboy, where's the new AMD chipset?
 

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[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]They don't.[/citation]

1. Do you mean on these boards or in general?
2. If it is for these boards, did you install the drivers/software from each manufaturer or used the default Windows drivers?

Thanks for the reply
 

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[citation][nom]kumaiti[/nom]1. Do you mean on these boards or in general?2. If it is for these boards, did you install the drivers/software from each manufaturer or used the default Windows drivers?Thanks for the reply[/citation]

None of the manufacturers list support for DDL or DTS Connect any longer. Those technologies were most likely licensed in the past and neglected due to lack of demand and cost, because typical buyers don't know what they are and won't pay extra for them.
 

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Sorry, I'm not an Intel fanboy, but AMD thoroughly sucks right now. Heck, even with their top of the line 5xxx series graphics, they still can't damn write a driver.

It may well be Intel's monopolize actions that got AMD to this point when AMD had the top processors, but the truth is AMD products suck right now.

There are P55 mobos under $160 that you can easily find, which will still beat AM3 systems quite handily. For example, get a DFI Lanparty P55-T36. [citation][nom]johnbilicki[/nom]My socket AM3 has playable FPS, the motherboard is high end and under $200, and I'll be able to continue upgrading in the future. That is what matters to me. The Intel fan boy articles are getting so old.[/citation]
 

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[citation][nom]dman3k[/nom]Sorry, I'm not an Intel fanboy, but AMD thoroughly sucks right now...There are P55 mobos under $160 that you can easily find, which will still beat AM3 systems quite handily. For example, get a DFI Lanparty P55-T36.[/citation]

First of all, most reviewers are begging AMD to pull a rabbit out of the hat just to get the competition moving again. Second, AMD does give you more chipset for your money.
 

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Here we had a perfect chance to test Tri-Fire 5870s, or QuadfireX dual-5970s, and instead we get a 280? What is the point of even testing the NF200 boards if you aren't going to test the capability of the NF200 on an 1156!
 

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[citation][nom]zipzoomflyhigh[/nom]Who would pay $250+ for a 1156 mobo? Anybody?[/citation]I was wondering that myself, really. How does those 250$+ board compare to lower-priced ones? Where is the budget breaking point where you should go from LGA1156 to LGA1366? Maybe the budget itself doesn't even matter, it might be only features.
 

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The problem is this, if 1156 can support bottleneck free pci-e solutions then there is no reason to go with 1366. Triple channel memory and support for a 1k+ future cpus do no justify the latency and heat caused by the NB, 130w tdp vs 90w tdp and higher initial cost (these motherboards should be being compared to the Asus WS Supercomputer and EVGA Classified 3x SLI, 400$ mobos).

Don't rule out P55 as a viable upgrade path, While the vast majority of people will pass on Gulftown due to price, the 32nm Sandybridge will support 1156. Give me low-thermal, high effeciency, super-overclockability in an affordable quadcore package, I'd take that over a hexacore all day long.

But 1156 has to support bottleneck free pci-e. I'm already 98pct sure the NF200 can't pull it off, but was really hoping we'd have a definitive answer.
 

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They make 200 dollar AMD boards to if you really want to o/c you might check out their features. Another thing, 790 AMD will never run dual gpu Nvidia. With Fermi about to rock the gaming world, I'm sure we will have a whole slew of new turncoats in 2010. Do yourselves a favor and join us :)
 

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I don't know why sites like this keep trying to convince people that a low-end technology is well suited for high end processors.

I agree with the others who wonder why anyone would want this lobotomized platform instead of the x58. There are serious compromises with this. It's great for the Clarksdale, which is a low-end product with a lot of compromises made so it's mainstream, but when you start to go high-end, it just makes no sense at all.

First of all, despite the opening page's assertion that these overclock better than Bloomfields - they don't. They overclock worse, and generally need significantly higher voltages to hit the same clock speeds. They also have to multiplex the already more restricted memory bus of the processor when using video cards that access main memory (since PCI-E is on the processor, it's got to use processor pins to reach memory). On top of this, to get full performance from modern technologies like USB 3.0, or SATA 6.0 GB, you have to do weird things with the PCI-E lanes, which increase latency and/or steal lanes from the video card so it can't use all 16.

This platform is a kludge. It's a series of compromises made to keep costs and power down. It's fine for a mainstream platform, but when we're told it's good for high-end too, it's got a lot of us scratching our heads wondering why we're being told this. It just makes no sense and we're not buying it. Intel can put all the lipstick they want on this pig, but it's still not a Hippo.
 

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[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]I don't know why sites ........blah blah It's fine for a mainstream platform, but when we're told it's good for high-end too, it's got a lot of us scratching our heads wondering why we're being told this. It just makes no sense and we're not buying it. Intel can put all the lipstick they want on this pig, but it's still not a Hippo.[/citation]

Ok this attitude is the EXACT opposite conclusion show here
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16729/40/1/4/
Let's keep it simple: the Socket 1366 platform is obsolete. The turbo modes are very limiting and the three channel memory setup gives only a slight advantage. Of course, Socket 1366 CPUs don't come cheap either. The quite new i5 CPU is much easier to overclock and it's not that hard to achieve higher memory speeds.

Considering system cost, then the P55 platform is the clear winner. We have already proven that Hyperthreading/SMT is more or less a marketing gimmick. It works only with very few applications and in highly optimized applications such as x264 or games, it decreases performance. That's also the reason why we did not consider to use the i7-800 CPU series for this review.

Looking for the best performance money can buy, we recommend the i5-750 CPU. If you need SLI or Crossfire, shop for boards with an additional NF200 chip to get the most out of your two graphics cards, otherwise the P55 does just fine.

System costs are less, no northbridge, never going to have to worry about cooling that. less to troubleshoot.

But I don't think either is a "kludge" whatever that is. Theres a right choice for everyone. It seems if a personal choice is threatened in a tech article people lose it !
 

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[citation][nom]johnbilicki[/nom]So socket 1156 is supposed to be the most awesome thing in the world? - No six core CPU's, EVER. - Requires a glued on chip for more then 16 lanes. - Motherboards overpriced compared to socket AM3.When you buy a socket 1156 system that is all the performance you're going go get out of it. The top-end CPU's won't come down in price by much and Intel made it clear it's a mainstream platform. My socket AM3 has playable FPS, the motherboard is high end and under $200, and I'll be able to continue upgrading in the future. That is what matters to me. The Intel fan boy articles are getting so old.[/citation]
You sound like AMD fanboy to me..
And what a bs about upgrading lol, AMD or Intel they all will make you to upgrade, as for pricing, 965 cost same as i5 750, so do the math mate.
Both Intel and AMD here 4 profit, you just need to find a better deal.
 

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[citation][nom]notty22[/nom]Ok this attitude is the EXACT opposite conclusion show herehttp://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16729/40/1/4/Let's keep it simple: the Socket 1366 platform is obsolete. The turbo modes are very limiting and the three channel memory setup gives only a slight advantage. Of course, Socket 1366 CPUs don't come cheap either. The quite new i5 CPU is much easier to overclock and it's not that hard to achieve higher memory speeds.Considering system cost, then the P55 platform is the clear winner. We have already proven that Hyperthreading/SMT is more or less a marketing gimmick. It works only with very few applications and in highly optimized applications such as x264 or games, it decreases performance. That's also the reason why we did not consider to use the i7-800 CPU series for this review.Looking for the best performance money can buy, we recommend the i5-750 CPU. If you need SLI or Crossfire, shop for boards with an additional NF200 chip to get the most out of your two graphics cards, otherwise the P55 does just fine.System costs are less, no northbridge, never going to have to worry about cooling that. less to troubleshoot.But I don't think either is a "kludge" whatever that is. Theres a right choice for everyone. It seems if a personal choice is threatened in a tech article people lose it ![/citation]

Do you guys have anyone technical writing your articles? Is this a cheap way of generating traffic for your site ?

P55 is a series of compromises. The NF200 chip adds cost, power use, and latency, and does not have the same performance of the x58. How could you not know that? If you're going to use this chip, why bother with the P55?

Also, several P55 processors do support hyperthreading. It's not the issue here. However, it clearly does show advantages in some applications, and the cost is negligible in terms of hardware. It does, of course, work better on the x58, since you'll put more strain on the memory bandwidth, which is considerably better.

The memory bandwidth does help in a lot of applications, and some it doesn't. It will matter more the more you are doing, since if you have four active processors, running eight threads, sharing one memory bus, you're going to depend on that bus a lot than when you're barely using it. Again, hyperthreading will make it more important, since you're also going to be missing the caches more often. Throw in a video card that needs memory accesses (which have to go through the processor on the P55), and you can have some problems with the more limited bandwidth of the P55.

On top of this, for reasons mentioned above, you probably will not see more than four cores on the P55 since the platform is so compromised. The x58 can work with more, without the same performance fall off.

No one with any technical knowledge would say the x58 is obsolete. It's not even opinion at that point. It's just a terrible analysis. If you want to say it's unnecessary for most people, we could argue that. But obsolete? It does things the P55 can't do, and does them better. It's a very, very poor choice of words.
 

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[citation][nom]johnbilicki[/nom]So socket 1156 is supposed to be the most awesome thing in the world? - No six core CPU's, EVER. - Requires a glued on chip for more then 16 lanes. - Motherboards overpriced compared to socket AM3.When you buy a socket 1156 system that is all the performance you're going go get out of it. The top-end CPU's won't come down in price by much and Intel made it clear it's a mainstream platform. My socket AM3 has playable FPS, the motherboard is high end and under $200, and I'll be able to continue upgrading in the future. That is what matters to me. The Intel fan boy articles are getting so old.[/citation]

This article is not aimed at AMD fanboys, but intel's fanboys. A person that doesn't want to buy AMD is not going for an AM3 platform. AM2 platforms are cheaper than AM3 platforms and perform similarly, so there. Why spend the money on AM3?
 

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What I take away from this review is these boards are within a hairs width of each other. So look for the next level of features like warranty or ports. There is very little to differentiate them.

I do think these MB's are overpriced and a high end "gamer" will prefer a true single slot solution or a true 2x16 slot solution.
 

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[citation][nom]a4mula[/nom]Here we had a perfect chance to test Tri-Fire 5870s, or QuadfireX dual-5970s, and instead we get a 280? What is the point of even testing the NF200 boards if you aren't going to test the capability of the NF200 on an 1156![/citation]

To keep the benchmarks results consistent over the entire range of articles so you can compare results between articles. The NF200's need to be examined in more detail than a roundup like this can provide, and will be: Look for an upcoming CrossFire Scaling article that focuses on this feature.

 

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[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]I don't know why sites like this keep trying to convince people that a low-end technology is well suited for high end processors.[/citation]
It's explained well in the introduction, but let me break this down to your level: Loads of people need nothing more than a super-fast processor and a single video card. Many workstations are built in this manner. That super-fast processor is expensive, which means people call it "high-end". Capiche?
[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]First of all, despite the opening page's assertion that these overclock better than Bloomfields - they don't.[/citation]Bartender, I'll have what he's having! The new processors overclock around 10% better at the moderate voltage levels needed to make them survive over the long term. I'm not sure who's winning on LN2, but I don't see LN2 reaching the masses any time soon.[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]They overclock worse, and generally need significantly higher voltages to hit the same clock speeds.[/citation]Given what I've just said and what you've just said, one of us is lying. I think most of us know who that is. Turn off the flames, you're done.
 
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